Kitty's Commercial Grow Op-Bigger & Better Every Day!

Ok, so where were we before all the assholes got here......

There isnt really that much I can keep posting. There's two rooms. They both grow plants. You've seen 4 harvests worth, here's some more.

I wont be regularly updating the pictures just to keep showing bud porn. I *will* however, be updating it as its *worth* updating. New equipment, new genetics, cool shit, random pictures here n there, etc...... Happy to continue answering questions etc as always too!

Each picture takes time. Snap it, bring it home, get it off the memory card, change it up in photoshop since RIU takes shitty size pictures only and photobucket is less than friendly, upload it to RIU, describe it, insert it into each post.

For every, fucking, photo. lol. Its not that its too much trouble to share and have fun, it isnt!! I just wont be spending that much time for pictures that today look the same as last months as last months and as the same as last months before.

So, here's what we got right now. I'll let the pictures self describe themselves other than:

Flower Room B just harvested one lights worth of mutant plants that rather than throw away we flowered because we had the space. They're hanging up now drying. Then there's 5 lights worth that get harvested in 2 weeks. Then, 2 lights worth that just began flowering, along with the 4 other lights in Flower Room A which are the same cycle. After we pluck some males out we'll toss them all in Room A.

We've decided also to scrap the existing genetics we have. The bud is great, but see the stuff in room A? That's FIVE WEEKS of veg to get a foot tall plant. Nothing we do makes a plant grow faster, so this sativa dominant slow grower indoors will have to go. The seeds will be perfect for a friends upcoming outdoor grow, which we'll get to later perhaps. Likely Endless Sky from Greenthumb and a bunch of good ones from Nirvana to make mommies out of then switch em out via clones all at once.

Veg right now is also getting the 1000w MH taken out and replaced with another 436w T5HO 8 bulb assembly like you see now in the pics. Seeds are in now waiting to germinate to then be in veg, so a little equipment upgrades over the next few days to do. We'll then, in a month, sell our existing light to a friend who needs one and replace it with a 1000w MH (again!) but in a 4x6' capable Raptor Reflectors that have the built in diffuser. Then the new 436w one pictured will be for mommies and clones.

Thanks everyone who looked after the thread while I was away. To everyone who didnt, well, lets all leave you rep with comments like "douchebag" lol.......

nice pics!

I wanna see the puppies!!

Take that any way you want ;]

Five weeks!? 10,000 watts equals $250k/ year op. 24k watts runs at over $500k/year. Five weeks does not add up especially with ebb and flows. You can call me an ass hole but five weeks equals 4-5ft. You have the space and equipment to do that and be the only chick I know of that can REALLY grow pot. I'm not another drooling boy here kitty, I like your style but your plants would appreciate some humility

researchkitty said:

Hi,

Bye.

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LOL, that was fun. Hope u didnt take it too seriously. I was having fun doing my best Glenn Beck impression.

I have a question. Couldn't RIU have a 'queen ganja' distinction? I want to run around in your rooms.

NewGrowth said:

Five weeks!? 10,000 watts equals $250k/ year op. 24k watts runs at over $500k/year. Five weeks does not add up especially with ebb and flows. You can call me an ass hole but five weeks equals 4-5ft. You have the space and equipment to do that and be the only chick I know of that can REALLY grow pot. I'm not another drooling boy here kitty, I like your style but your plants would appreciate some humility

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I think the pricing would vary depending on where you are. Hell, if this was in Florida, you'd get 3x the prices since even bongs are illegal to sell there! I cant really grow yet, I'm still what I consider an "advanced novice". But yea, in 5 weeks under a 1000w mh you'd think that they'd grow more than 2" a week!! All the temps and nutrients are spot on of course, its just the sativa dominance that I see unfortunately......

lordjin said:

I have a question. Couldn't RIU have a 'queen ganja' distinction? I want to run around in your rooms.

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That can be taken many ways.

"That can be taken many ways. "

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I'm very glad you noticed. Because it was given many ways.

Have you ever thought of vegging for two-three weeks? I notice alot of empty canopy space.
I like the style. But you either need to crowd them more or grow bigger plants. With sog you need alot of plants. Im talking 4 per sqaure foot.

Good work on your grow, looks lovely.

There's no rocky mountains in Florida . . . If $$$ does not make sense then maybe this will? 10 Lights equals 15-20lb/3mo 24 lights equals 42-48lbs/3mo.

Your ebb and flows are too big to do a sea of green, grow larger plants or dump the ebbs cut down your light and put those babies on flood trays. The 5 gal ebbs can EASILY grow 6' plants . . . Trust me Less ligOremore yeild is a win in my book.

Ps- don't blame your strains either, Sativas grow tall fast. Hell even OG lush grows fast in an ebb. Also people pay me a lot to give them advice like this. Attentive people get it free on the Internet.

NewGrowth said:

There's no rocky mountains in Florida . . . If $$$ does not make sense then maybe this will? 10 Lights equals 15-20lb/3mo 24 lights equals 42-48lbs/3mo.

Your ebb and flows are too big to do a sea of green, grow larger plants or dump the ebbs cut down your light and put those babies on flood trays. The 5 gal ebbs can EASILY grow 6' plants . . . Trust me Less ligOremore yeild is a win in my book.

Ps- don't blame your strains either, Sativas grow tall fast. Hell even OG lush grows fast in an ebb. Also people pay me a lot to give them advice like this. Attentive people get it free on the Internet.

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I have 200 seedlings that just sprouted up. What could I change to make them veg "faster" than one foot tall in five weeks of vegging? 436w T5HO (Sunlight 4 and Humboldt Nutrients!

Don't use T-5's 400's work great for veg. Seedlings are too slow and inconsistent you're spending money on males too. Start cloning for faster veg times and more mature flowering plants.

Out of the gate, clones can't handle hid lighting, but seedlings can. Get a 1000 MH above them soon, gradually (over a week) crank it down to nearly 18" above canopy. To conserve on wattage, perhaps rotate groups of seedlings between weaker lights and the 1000 MH. I don't recall if you veg 24hrs, but that can be a problem if you are looking to get internodal stretch. Continuous light keeps em compact. You can also induce stretching by adjusting the DIF, by creating a colder temp during dark period in contrast to day temp.

There is really no substitute for weeks and weeks of vegging, but a few 1000 metal halides have been the closest thing I've ever seen to a 5th gear! Selection of a few mothers will get you towards an incredible season this fall. Maybe you can reveg a few special individuals after your crop if you don't want to deal w/ cuts now. I may chime in about topping and canopy management at some point... good luck

do u know what temps ur getting at soil level on your new veg ? hps often cause to much heat for new plants stunting growth. i prefer fluoro for veg personally.

NewGrowth said:

Don't use T-5's 400's work great for veg. Seedlings are too slow and inconsistent you're spending money on males too. Start cloning for faster veg times and more mature flowering plants.

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T5HO at 436w is bad for veg? That's what Sunlight Systems sells the light as. Most people in most threads here veg under something similar............ I do know we're spending money on males, but that's OK, the seeds were free. 2000 free seeds is a nice gift. We will be changing the genetics anyhow, which is why we arent focusing on mommies for right now. Everyone used to tell me that 1000w MH's were bad for veg and to use the T5HO.

Ontheball said:

do u know what temps ur getting at soil level on your new veg ? hps often cause to much heat for new plants stunting growth. i prefer fluoro for veg personally.

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At the Hydroton level, temperatures are 78(f). The 1000w MH lamp was is about 30" above the plants. I just took it down and replaced it with a second 436w.

abe supercro said:

Out of the gate, clones can't handle hid lighting, but seedlings can. Get a 1000 MH above them soon, gradually (over a week) crank it down to nearly 18" above canopy. To conserve on wattage, perhaps rotate groups of seedlings between weaker lights and the 1000 MH. I don't recall if you veg 24hrs, but that can be a problem if you are looking to get internodal stretch. Continuous light keeps em compact. You can also induce stretching by adjusting the DIF, by creating a colder temp during dark period in contrast to day temp.

There is really no substitute for weeks and weeks of vegging, but a few 1000 metal halides have been the closest thing I've ever seen to a 5th gear! Selection of a few mothers will get you towards an incredible season this fall. Maybe you can reveg a few special individuals after your crop if you don't want to deal w/ cuts now. I may chime in about topping and canopy management at some point... good luck

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When we did have clones, we let them root under a 96W lamp. Then when they had suitable roots and were ready for veg, under the veg lights. We veg for 18/6. 24/0 provided us with worse results many months ago, 18/6 seemed to be much nicer on the plants.





So now we have people telling me use 1000w MH (if we do, it'll be the Raptor 4x6 capable reflector), even though I HAVE been using it for the last 2 years. Even still, the 1000w MH and the 436wT5HO are next to each other on the same tray same genetics and the 436w ones grow JUST AS SLOW as the ones under the 1000w MH. In fact, the 1000w MH ones grow slower and "less green" by a small margin.

In other grows (Check the 6000w grow from last year) the plants vegged HUGE and FAST. Change strain, no equipment nutrients or anything else changed, just strain, and it takes 5 weeks to veg a foot.

That's why I keep thinking its genetics....... What do you folks think?

Im defo a supporter for raising young plants under the t5's , it could be the strain but i find that unlikely , theres too many factors to be considered but im probably out my depth here so im going to sit back and read , good luck kitty.

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Im defo a supporter for raising young plants under the t5's , it could be the strain but i find that unlikely , theres too many factors to be considered but im probably out my depth here so im going to sit back and read , good luck kitty.

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Its out of my depth too, so lets hope the pros show up soon!

I would stick with the T5's I run two of the 2ft 8bulbs like yours. And love them they work wonders and they keep temps low, and you can keep them with in an Inch of your plant. I cant tell you why your babies are only getting to 1ft after 5 weeks but the only suggestion i can make is that you try running 4 of the 6500k and 4 of the 3000k and see if that helps any.

Considering the money you are saving sticking to the T5HO, i would keep with em.

Most of the time, a MH will only benefit your plants more if it happens to be pumping out more lumens that they can actually use. As seedlings, this is rare, and i have actually seen bleaching in some strains from moving from T5's to HiD's or MH's.

T5HO's are the perfect amount of heat/light/energy/lumen combined. Couple that with the fact that they are a little more gentle (which makes them great for seedlings and clones) i wouldn't see a need to switch. Stick to your T5's for veg =D

-edit- Have you got a lumen tester? T5 bulbs only have about a year or two lifespan, and they usually dont just 'die'. In fact, they just start slightly dimming over time, which can have two different effects. 1. The lumen output would drop, and 2. The spectrum of the light could potentially be affected (though not by much).

That could be why you are noticing slower growth, but it really is hard to say.