Jigfresh's Grow #3 - Flooded Tube Vertical - Querkle, Odyssey - 1000w

thatguy858

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Hey Jig, just a question. You said you trimmed the buds off the plant that wernt that big. Why is that? Im new to growing, so Im still learning. But seriously, Im totally thinking about going 1000W vertical. It sounds really good, and I think a better investment of my money would be a new 1000W HPS rather than a 400WMH. You should sell hydroponic supplys jig.
 

quickrip

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Whats up jig I just read back through your thread to get a better Idea of how you did the cooled vert 1000. I came across the section on cars+football=no co2 +rep for that explanation. How the hell can you try to supe up an engine that isnt even running well under normal use. That shit was right on. Im just getting started with my flood and drain setup but am very curious about vert. and dwc or nft. It seems to be the highest producing way to grow that Ive seen. Anyway do you feel at this point that the 1000 is too close to your plants? It looks like it will only be about 1 foot away.[is that accurate?] Are you getting any bleaching or ill affects since the changover? I used to roll with a 400w hps about 6yrs ago and about killed all my babies with the 2000w that im using now by getting the lights too close. Btw this was not from heat I have cooled hoods that I can touch as long as I want. It was from lumen overload. I wasnt used to runnin so many watts. Thanks a bunch.
 

jigfresh

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Wonderful Wonderful updates.

Amazing travel shots from around the world. You are officially my latest inspiration to travel. I am a very social person and I am a bit nervous about traveling alone. It is so hard to find common time between friends to travel. Its OK for right now I will travel via your pictures. Thanks for sharing.
I totally feel you on the being nervous to travel bit. I had never travelled alone before and had never been to a country where I didn't speak the native language... was a total trip. You have got to get away someday for sure... it's so priceless to experience.

BTW I love Big Bear, if I am lucky I usually go there with some fam and friends to enjoy a little vacation once a year. Those little vacation cottages are very nice. Got damn bad economy has killed any vacation time.
I live in a little log cabin (well that's the living room). Would be nice to smoke one someday... as long as you aren't allergic to cats.

A sulphur burner definitely works, but in late flowering if you don't want to run the sulphur burner and PM shows up you can try this products called Green Cure. You can use till the very end, it is completely organic and has minimal to very low side effects. Haven't read your old threads so sorry if you already know about GC.
Green Cure... Hadn't heard, but now I know. Thanks for that tip.

Nice travel pics :bigjoint:
There is a story behind the elephants. I looked it up.

Man, I haven't stopped by in a few days. Thanks for sharing the pics Jig. The one of the path and the red house is such an awesome picture, I could print it out and hang it on my wall. Very nice! Good job managing those plants man and not getting overwhelmed as can easily happen. They will bounce back, but I would back off on the sulfer for a minute. Have you tried the GreenCure, it supposed to really knock the pm down? Thanks again for the Amsterdam tour:)
Hey bro... that pic of the house on the path... that was one of my favorite moments of the trip. Me and a buddy :wink: were smoking a joint walking down that path when we came upon the cute little house. Right then the woman who lived there popped out the front door to shake out a rug. My friend I was with is a friendly chap, so he said hello to her and a beautiful conversation ensued. She is a single mother raising her kids in the little area called Christiania, Copenhagen, DEN. She was very glad that I (being a tourist) did not just see the Downtown district of Copenhagen and saw the real life parts as well. Funny enough, that was the only part of Copenhagen I saw. She was so friendly and I can't get over the feeling of how welcoming she was. I felt like if we said we were in need of lodging for the next week she would have gladly let us in.

It was a fantastic interaction with someone I've never met before and probably won't again... and one I'll never forget.

Around the World I think.....shame they are French, hahaha. They Rock for sure though!!!
Daft Punk are the reason I think France has world class offerings in 'something'. They can keep everything else, haha.

Still looking good Jig. I stood up for ya over on the DWC thread and I think you should be able to post there.
Thanks Integra... I saw that. Truth is... I feel like with the caliber of responses my question drew, I don't want to be on that thread anyways, feel me. I mean, too shallow, really? Maybe I don't have a DWC becuase W stands water and I use RO water... and it's shallow... so I guess I have a SROWC.

Appreciate the support.

Lookin good Jiggy jigmeister! Have fun with the floors man, I just put new carpet down last week.
Man the floors are in... the walls are painted... the new rug and chair in place, and the living room is looking mighty lekker. I'll take a pic and find one of the old room. I swear our room should be in a magazine or something. Only problem one of the cats took a monumental dump on the new rug. Little f**ker.

I'm surprised you didn't run in to the root space problem earlier!
Me too actually. You would have thought that I would think of this problem arising... it's not like I don't have experience with DWC, or whatever I got going on. From what I can tell the roots are just insane... can't wait till the end to see them all out.

It's 9 am and I managed to turn my hours back to normal, time for a walk w the dogs in the morning sun. Ta da!
Now that is something.... must feel kinda good to be on the same schedule as most other folks... not to mention the sun, haha.

The Bush Cupboard Beastie returns....sweet.
Thanks D.

when you coming back to verticalgreen.org ?
Not sure bro. My issue is I don't like doing shitty work... and I have a hard enough time keeping up on this journal. I feel like my Vertical green journals just suck... and then they get questions that I don't answer and I kinda feel like what's the point then. The biggest issue is uploading pics twice. I guess I could just upload at photobucket or something... but I don't really care that much. RIU is pretty much the place for me I think. Plus youtube for the videos.

Thanks for thinking of me though.

1. What's the advantage of the flooded tube setup vs. a regular dwc? I'm guessing it's so you could space your plants around your closet? Couldn't you just do 6 hempy buckets and eliminate the res, pump, construction, root clogging etc..?
The advantages in my head are a few. One is that the roots are not in the rez... so I can get in and access the water and tank and water pump, meters all without messing with the roots. Also, the room factor, With a reg DWC you can only put the plants where the tank allows. This setup really lets me grow the plants up against the wall. Even better than with small pots like you mention. Hempy buckets sound like a lot of watering to me. With this I just put my nutes in once a week about and add about 2 gallons of RO a day. They are drinking a lot.

The root clogging is really my fault by letting them veg so long. Will not mak that mistake next time around.

And the really big idea is to have another level of tubes running above the current one. I'm thinking 3 plants per level one on each side and the back... two levels tall. That way I can stick the 1000w in the middle hanging... I can veg the plants only 2 or 3 weeks from clone, and flip the switch, not having to trim like I did this time... and no where near like trimming the trees from my first vert grow.

I think there is another reason right now but I can't think of it. Oh... I also like the Recirculating action of the water. I know it's not stagnant in a normal DWC becuase of all the bubbles... but I like having it slosh around and move around so much... keeps it fresher in my opinion.

2. Does your whole house smell like reefer?
Not at all... the fan sucks all the smell out of the roof into the beautiful so cal sky. And no, I'm not worried about neighbors... don't really have any. Gotta love it.

3. I see your ballasts aren't enclosed, they're just hung on the mounting bracket?
I don't have heat issues, but I do have a very limited ammount of space... so I think the way they are is good.

4. I was thinking you could take one of the hoses from your air pump, clamp the end or melt it shut and poke/melt a bunch of little holes all along the tubing and snaked that through your pvc for some added oxygen. I don't know if it would work or really make much of a difference.
That is one thing to think about for sure... I hope I remember when I'm setting up my next grow. Damn airstones always clog up... but then again... I don't even know if I need the airstones in there at all... just sorta for extra safety or something.

Going to need your sunglasses when you open the door, plants are just going to get huge nugs with that light setup!
I am hoping for pineapple sized buds for sure. And yeah, the sunglasses are necessary for sure. Like boomer said, stunna shades are a must.

haha yea def need to put on sum stunna shades when lookin into ur vertical oasis
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hey jig, just stopping by to wish you and everyone else that reads this a happy 420!!!!! congrats on 1000k light, the future is looking brighter everyday. all is good here in texas. love ya bro
Thanks for stopping bye and thinking of me/ us kev. It SNOWED last night. Can you beleive that. Glad I hadn't tried to plant any outdoor plants. love ya back bro.

I grew up in San Diego California. All my friends joined either the Marinies, Army, or US Navy. San Diego is one of the largest military towns, if not the largest one, in America.
Aint this the truth. So weird living in LA instead of SD.... there is no military, and almost no filipinos... which is weird to me growing up in SE san diego where many filipino navy families lived. But LA has lots SD doesn't have too. So cal sure is awesome.

damn dude u got a crazy ass grow going here. props on that. i just harvest querkle and odyssey a few weeks ago. u should check out my grow if u get a chance. id really appreciate it. got cured pics up. odyssey is 1 of my favorite smokes ive had and querkle sits me on my ass. a really good night smoke. didnt turn too purple. the cola leaves were all purple on the bottom but thats it.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/294700-my-second-400w-closet-grow-24.html
I can't wait to have a heavy indica again. I hope my queskle sits me down good. I'll stop bye if I haven't already (too many threads too little ambition)

How are you cooling your 1000W? your inline fan how many cfm are you exausting? and how big is your grow area again? My area is 5w 7l 7H and my 600 cant get it all.Also, are you going to THC Expose in LA this weekend? should be a blast!
Inline 6" fan. 465 cfm. The grow area is 3' x 2' x 9'. I am using about 3 feet of the height for growing. The bottom is all rez, and the top is all fans and ballasts and plugs. Not going to be attending THC expo... got other plans. Have fun.

Wow, after seeing that growth I can't wait to see how it goes. Sorry I've been outta touch, I finally started working. Grow is looking good though
Being out of touch becuase you are working again is an acceptable reason. I still miss you though bro. Say hi to the wife and kid.

Looking sweet! I upgraded to dual 400W but ofc isn't what a 1000W is ;)

I'll be watching you :mrgreen:

edit: Oh and btw, happy 420!
Congrats on the upgrade... I bet it's bright in there now! Happy 420 to you my friend. (a bit late I know)

Hey Jig, just a question. You said you trimmed the buds off the plant that wernt that big. Why is that? I think a better investment of my money would be a new 1000W HPS rather than a 400WMH. You should sell hydroponic supplys jig.
No interest in selling equipment. Would rather die actually than sell anything. Not my cup of tea at all. In my mind 400's are not that great. I would get a 600 if anything... maybe a 1000w. But 400's aren't that efficient. They have half the lumens of a 600.

Trimming is an interesting subject... some people would say I'm blasphemous for trimming ANYTHING off my plant. There is a school of thought that says plants should be left alone to grow... no plucking or pruning whatsoever. Then there are people who trim the Hell out of their plants. Lollipopping to the extreme where the only bud at all is just on the little tops of the plants. Usually SOG growers do that becuase of the dense even canopy they have shading the bottoms of the plants. Scrog guys trim a lot too... we trim everything there is below the screen/ canopy. There is lots of shade, and also with the screen things get really dense as they are close... so trimming the extra makes more room for air to circulate and cuts down on leaves letting out moisture as well. And there are people who trim from everywhere on the spectrum between those.

Oh... forgot to mention the main reason people seem to trim... becuase they have the opinion of something like a plant only has so much energy or resources to make buds... so why have any of that energy going to make inferior 'popcorn' buds that grow near the bottom of the plant with less than adequate light. So they trim those off with the idea that the growing energy will be diverted to the buds still growing... ie the ones on the top who are huge and getting great light.

I can't say what is true or not... I just do what I do, and what I think is best. I'm tired of trimming little buds... and also my plants still have PM issues... so I want to cut down on the density. I also just want to see how this trimming will work. You can't really experience things until you experience them you know... so I'm experiencing trimming my plants in a major way.

Hope that explains things a little.

Whats up jig I just read back through your thread to get a better Idea of how you did the cooled vert 1000. I came across the section on cars+football=no co2 +rep for that explanation. How the hell can you try to supe up an engine that isnt even running well under normal use. That shit was right on.
I like analogies and thought that one was right on. Glad you enjoyed it.

Im just getting started with my flood and drain setup but am very curious about vert. and dwc or nft. It seems to be the highest producing way to grow that Ive seen.
I think vert is great if you have a tall skinny space for sure. DWC to me is the best way to grow... or whatever you call my setup now too. Produces high, no worries about the power going out (aero/ flood+drain)... and I have all the control I want with it being hydro.

Anyway do you feel at this point that the 1000 is too close to your plants? It looks like it will only be about 1 foot away.[is that accurate?] Are you getting any bleaching or ill affects since the changover?
At this point I think the buds are handling the light ok. I notice no bleaching (and that's what I've been looking for since day one of putting in the light). The heat is just fine... actually helps keep the temps more in a good place... It's fucking cold up here. When I opened the closet this morning before lights on it said 49 degrees. Which for your euros is 9.5 C... yeah... chilly. So yeah.. the heat is ok. Don't see any bleaching yet... keeping my eyes peeled. One thing that helps is the way in which the plants are surrounding the light. Where the light is most intense, the plants are a little ways away (10-14")... the plants are closer to the bulb, but below it... so not as intense light. Those buds are as near as 6" away. Just messing around right now with a ruler it looks like all the buds still growing are between 6" and 16" away from the bulb.

One thing that blows me away is that I can 'feel' the light... I mean not the heat... I can feel the light beating down on my skin when it's close. So I can just imagine how bad-ass fucking tough as nails my buds are going to be. Take down Mike Tyson in his heyday and shit. I'm cussing alot... it means I'm serious about how fucking awesome this is going to be, haha. I'm silly.

Dude, you obviously dont live in So Cal. hahah
Lol... this is why I used that analogy anyhow... becuase all these kids putting stuff on their car in the wrong order. Foundations are what houses are built on... you don't just start putting up walls and hope for that shit to stay standing. I used to be a racer back in the height of it in SD. It was always a blast blowing away the civics with my altima... haha... what a bunch of little punks we all were. Damn Fast and the Furious had to ruin it all... bummer. Oh well, street racing is pretty much a fucked up thing to do... endagers innocent lives and kills so many racers and their passengers. Glad I got over that. Also glad I never got into bikes... probably wouldn't be here typing if I got on a crotch rocket.

You know what's hella funny? In the UK... Honda Civic's are grandma cars. Like a Buick over here.
 

thatguy858

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You know what's hella funny? In the UK... Honda Civic's are grandma cars. Like a Buick over here.
haha. sorry. Ill take a 68 Charger any day of the week. I had a toyota pickup, put intake and exaust system in it. I was going to buy a 400HP crate motor for it, but I just grew up a little I guess. I like classic cars though. Like I said Charger ftw.
 

thatguy858

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Hey Jig, remember you said you hadnt tried Skywalker? Well sir. I just picked some up and I am saving a bowl for you. I dunno when we will get the chance to smoke it, but atleast I have it. haha

PS: can you stop by my grow journal and help me top my babies. thanks dude.
 

jigfresh

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OK guys.... I'm officially in love with the new picture upload tool. I just uploaded 20 pics so easily I can't beleive it.

I'm diggng the new site.

Thanks for the support D! (not regarding the new site... just the buds, haha)

Here's how things look today... hot off the presses:




I'm still getting rid of undergrown buds. There is just wayyyyyy too much plant in there. Grrrrrr.



And my Super- Duper Crop... Don't think I ever showed you guys up close:



This is the top of the best performing plant:



This is my favorite bud:



And a parting shot:



Have a good sunday peeps! And in case you see it in the pics... Yes... I am still dealing with my PM. Gonna give them a sulphur shower soon.
 

PANGcake

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Very very nice indeed! You need a bigger grow area?! ;) How come you keep getting PM, is it more comon for hydro set ups?! GJ there Scrogking! :mrgreen:

//pce, CaL
 

Hulk Nugs

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Hey Jig i thought i had PM but it turned out not to be.

I tossed a few plants because of PM, did not want to fight it. Cleaned the room started fresh, but with in a week of having new plants in the room i noticed the signs of PM again i was like WTF. Started doing some research trying to find some info and i cam across THRIPS witch are a pain in the ass bug like spider mites. Long story short hahaha it turned out that i have/had THRIPS and needed to jump on them right away. Not sure if this is what you have, just wanted to share the little info i learned in the last month. Spend some time checking out the vain of the leaves, lower and new growth. Hope you don't have them!!!
 

#1Raiderfan420

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Hey Jig, wow what a multi quote man. Thanks for sharing the experience behind the path photo. I love the picture and the story behind it even makes it better. The buds look great and are comming along very nicely. I feel your pain on trimming the laggin bud sites, it is still painful for me to do even though it is necessary.
 

DST

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OK guys.... I'm officially in love with the new picture upload tool. I just uploaded 20 pics so easily I can't beleive it.

I'm diggng the new site.

Thanks for the support D! (not regarding the new site... just the buds, haha)

Here's how things look today... hot off the presses:
https://www.rollitup.org/members/jigfresh-104636/albums/vertical-flooded-tube-grow-11260/899227-side-buds/
https://www.rollitup.org/members/jigfresh-104636/albums/vertical-flooded-tube-grow-11260/899234-nice-bud/
https://www.rollitup.org/members/jigfresh-104636/albums/vertical-flooded-tube-grow-11260/899222-odyssey-top/

I'm still getting rid of undergrown buds. There is just wayyyyyy too much plant in there. Grrrrrr.

https://www.rollitup.org/members/jigfresh-104636/albums/vertical-flooded-tube-grow-11260/899231-nice-bud-again/

And my Super- Duper Crop... Don't think I ever showed you guys up close:



.
Super Duper Cropping skills, my fave pic for sure. It reminds me of Zorro!!!:shock:

Peace, DST
 

DTR

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hows the odyssey doing compared to the querkle? did it get the pm as bad? and did it smell like cactus cooler in veg?
 
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