JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones

cerberus said:

JIg,

could you give me a quick run down on how your DWC works. how often do you empty and refill, what kind of nute ratio's, that kind of info. I am going to strat building a vert system and I'd like the DWC system you ran, but I'm a dirt guy and I'm not sure on how it works.

BTW: when I moved to a K it made a world of difference, if you got the funds, it's worth thinking about. you certainly have the ventilation available to make a K work.

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The DWC is pretty simple. You can make it complicated if you want. This setup has 2 - 5 gallon buckets. Last grows had 1 - 28 gallon tank. There are airstones at the bottom connected to an airpump. I just use either large airstones or a lot of small ones... you just want a shit load of bubbles in there.

I fill the buckets so they get within 1/2 inch or so of the bottom of the rockwool. When the plants are new and don't have long roots you want to keep the water where it will splash up and hit the roots... make them want to grow.

As the roots are longer you can let the levels go down.

What I did this run was fill my buckets with the nute solution. Waited until it was down to 1 gallon or so, and I would add 2 gallons of RO. No formula there... just add water when it's getting low. When it gets low again... drain the rest and start a fresh batch of nute soup.

I would idealy liketo change my rez completely every 7-10 days. Doing that and running the chemicals I use... I never have to clean the tank manually... until the grow is over.

Some things that make DWC easier... a drain at the bottom of the tank that can let the water out... no lifting and dumping. You can also stick a water pump inside only to be used when dumping out the water (i did that with the big tank).

Installing a water level gauge is great. You don't have to be lifting up the lid all the time to see where the water is.

A hole on the lid for putting in nutes and pH meters.

Also... it may help to separate the tank area from the grow area... keep the water temps down.

Let me know if anything's unclear or you want more info.

I just cut the main bud off the Casey Jones.... IT'S HUGE!

jigfresh said:

I just cut the main bud off the Casey Jones.... IT'S HUGE!

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Don't say that then keep it to yourself, Jig, lol. Wanna see, wanna see!!!!

Peace bru, DST

DST said:

Don't say that then keep it to yourself, Jig, lol. Wanna see, wanna see!!!!

Peace bru, DST

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Took the words right out of my mouth. Great minds think alike, eh? lol

Indeed, Iamtreehigh, indeed.

Yo Jig, clear out your PM box dude, you're to popular, it's foo up....

Anyway, didn't want to waste what I typed so it's getting copy-edit-pasted into your visitor page...unless that's full as well, lol.

jigfresh said:

The DWC is pretty simple. You can make it complicated if you want. This setup has 2 - 5 gallon buckets. Last grows had 1 - 28 gallon tank. There are airstones at the bottom connected to an airpump. I just use either large airstones or a lot of small ones... you just want a shit load of bubbles in there.

I fill the buckets so they get within 1/2 inch or so of the bottom of the rockwool. When the plants are new and don't have long roots you want to keep the water where it will splash up and hit the roots... make them want to grow.

As the roots are longer you can let the levels go down.

What I did this run was fill my buckets with the nute solution. Waited until it was down to 1 gallon or so, and I would add 2 gallons of RO. No formula there... just add water when it's getting low. When it gets low again... drain the rest and start a fresh batch of nute soup.

I would idealy liketo change my rez completely every 7-10 days. Doing that and running the chemicals I use... I never have to clean the tank manually... until the grow is over.

Some things that make DWC easier... a drain at the bottom of the tank that can let the water out... no lifting and dumping. You can also stick a water pump inside only to be used when dumping out the water (i did that with the big tank).

Installing a water level gauge is great. You don't have to be lifting up the lid all the time to see where the water is.

A hole on the lid for putting in nutes and pH meters.

Also... it may help to separate the tank area from the grow area... keep the water temps down.

Let me know if anything's unclear or you want more info.

I just cut the main bud off the Casey Jones.... IT'S HUGE!

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Thanks! super helpful and it sounds pretty simple (thats what I'm going for, simple) I'm thinking of running bio canna for nutrients, do you run normal PPM levels? this is my first foriegh out of dirt and into water.
What do you like more the 29 gallon or the 5? I am really leaning to a 5 gallon setups to start, and eventually have 3-4 around a 1K.

Also, jienormous CJ's and no photo?

DST said:

Don't say that then keep it to yourself, Jig, lol. Wanna see, wanna see!!!!

Peace bru, DST

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Iamtreehigh said:

Took the words right out of my mouth. Great minds think alike, eh? lol

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Here's what I got. The 2 jars on the left are Casey Jones. The 1 jar on the right is Sour Grape. So far I've weighed out around 250 grams.

Still have all that drying... and still have all that on the plant.

My pile of trim is looking formidable. And I am hopefully going to borrow some bubble bags to make some hash the right way.

the nuggs look great brotha let me know when u want those bags

That is a fatty cola there Bro! Very nice!

What's up Scrogking!
nice work bro I watched all of your vids on youtube.
P.s those are some sweet looking nugs.

Ok, satisfied now, lol.

Great looking buds, Jig very dense looking, swollen in parts, well that should be swollen!! Happy days afoot.

oh. can you hook us up with a pics for comparison (at your own convenience of course) between buds closer to the hps and/or the mh?...or at the 600..your choice bru.

Peace, DST

cerberus said:

Thanks! super helpful and it sounds pretty simple (thats what I'm going for, simple) I'm thinking of running bio canna for nutrients, do you run normal PPM levels? this is my first foriegh out of dirt and into water.
What do you like more the 29 gallon or the 5? I am really leaning to a 5 gallon setups to start, and eventually have 3-4 around a 1K.

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Alright bro... 28 gallons was WAY too much for the plants I was growing. (6 small ones)

5 gallon buckets were WAY too small for the monsters I grew. They drank more than a gallon a day towards the height of it... so it was always constantly in need of a refill.

If I were doing a grow with 6 plants I planned on vegging 3 -4 weeks... I think a 15 gallon rez for all of them would be a good size.

Bigger is good bacuase of more stable temps and pH.

Also BIG TIP.... run one strain in one rez. You can have separate buckets but have the connect. You don't want to be filling each pot different times checking each ones pH and ppm. Have it be one system.

I use standard ppms. The great part about DWC is if you pay attention you can tell exactly how much nutes your girls need. If you fill the tank with 900 ppm nute soup.... the next day it's at 1000ppm... then you know the plants are drinking more water than they are uptaking nutes... so you can use less. If the next day the ppm are 700, you know they are more hungry for nutes than thirsty for water.

Last thing. I'm pretty sure Bio Canna nutes are for soil only. I know Canna makes hydro nutes... but I don't think the BIo Canna works for it. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I've been looking at potentially jumping ship to Canna nutes.

Bonus points for using the word "foray"(spelled correctly or not). I've never used that word in my life. Awesome (i'm a big fan of words).

BooMeR242 said:

the nuggs look great brotha let me know when u want those bags

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Thanks a lot boomer. My week is opening up.... hopefully no snow get's in my way.

terrorizer805 said:

What's up Scrogking!
nice work bro I watched all of your vids on youtube.
P.s those are some sweet looking nugs.

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Hey bud... nice to see you in the world of text and pictures. I like it over here. The youtube world kinda freaks me out.

Is 805 So Cal? I just kinda figure anything north of Malibu is Central Coast, haha. Just kidding. I actually spent very much time in Oxnard. La Colonia por vida!

DST said:

oh. can you hook us up with a pics for comparison (at your own convenience of course) between buds closer to the hps and/or the mh?...or at the 600..your choice bru.

Peace, DST

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I tried to find some to compare... they kinda look the same... but they are different. May need to use your imagination on this one.

The one on the left is an HPS bud.... it is a little more 'red/ orange' and it is fuller. I tried to find equal size buds.

I will have to try to smoke both and see if there is a difference in feeling/ taste.

Well it's difficult to tell, but I got a good imagination, lol. but looking at them, the top half of each of them especially, the one on the left certainly looks tighter, the right has a looser form to it on top for sure.

FYI: I am imagining smoking them....nice, lol

Now guys... don't get all "It's too good to be true... stay away". This is just how my life works sometimes... I have a lot of good karma.

So I talked to the light guy. Told him I didn't need the hydro part (or rather my friend didn't). This is what I agreed to get from him.

Sunsystem Hood, bulb, and ballast. Everything included. For only $125.

And get this... it's a 1500 W

We'll see how everything turns out.

jigfresh said:

Now guys... don't get all "It's too good to be true... stay away". This is just how my life works sometimes... I have a lot of good karma.

So I talked to the light guy. Told him I didn't need the hydro part (or rather my friend didn't). This is what I agreed to get from him.

Sunsystem Hood, bulb, and ballast. Everything included. For only $125.

And get this... it's a 1500 W

We'll see how everything turns out.

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fuckin awesome....once again, thanks for everything jig....i can't wait for my first harvest, im so sick of smoking bullshit that i have to PAY for....good luck

Do you know if the 1500 watt has a coil ballast like the ones you currently use? ive seen some digital ones that are 240 volt only. Those digitals are like $500.

miztaj said:

Do you know if the 1500 watt has a coil ballast like the ones you currently use? ive seen some digital ones that are 240 volt only. Those digitals are like $500.

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I'm pretty sure it's a coil ballast. I think I could wire things up for 240 easy enough if needed though. We'll see if I can even deal with the heat. This might end up being a part for later... we'll see I guess.

I'm still trimming the Casey Jones. I think I'm through all the big buds... and most of the medium ones. Now just the smaller type gram size nuges left. It's never ending. Good problem to have I suppose.

jigfresh said:

Thanks a lot boomer. My week is opening up.... hopefully no snow get's in my way.



Hey bud... nice to see you in the world of text and pictures. I like it over here. The youtube world kinda freaks me out.

Is 805 So Cal? I just kinda figure anything north of Malibu is Central Coast, haha. Just kidding. I actually spent very much time in Oxnard. La Colonia por vida!



I tried to find some to compare... they kinda look the same... but they are different. May need to use your imagination on this one.

The one on the left is an HPS bud.... it is a little more 'red/ orange' and it is fuller. I tried to find equal size buds.

I will have to try to smoke both and see if there is a difference in feeling/ taste.

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Haha COxCH

JK I'm not a gangster don't shoot me.
yea i'm very close to that area don't really want to disclose the exact spot though.

That's cool man oxnard is a cool city lots of growers now in that area it's crazy.

But yea bro i'm realling liking your scrogs, i've been thinking of doing an outdoor scrog for this upcoming grow season with some purple extreme cuttings maybe a few white rhinos what you think?

Really impressed with your grow and ingenuity. + rep, spent all night reading this, glad to know its not even finished yet.

Wow, Jig.. amazing.
I can't even remember how I started on your blog, or maybe it was your youtube video about growing like you.. but here I am after 5+ hours of reading this. (It's also 5 AM here in San Diego and I have to work in a few hours.. haha well worth it). I feel like I know you as a person, not just some phenomenal grower with an amazing attention to detail. Sorry to hear about all the heart ache, and ups and downs.. at least you have this amazing crop and detailed chronicle to show for it. Maybe even some scrills from the surplus harvest? (legal of course) Haha good luck getting your wife pregnant as well!
As far as the grow.. it's amazing the Casey Jones yielded so much more under identical conditions. Crazy how much of the herb's potential is in it's genes. I'm growing one of your favorites strains, Purple Kush right now. (It's soil, which I'm not sure if you were trying to discourage from using.. or just gave up on?) She is about 4 feet tall under 6, 4 feet HO T5's.. I am going to move her to my bathroom soon for a full flower bathing in a 1,000 w HPS. I want to get comfortable before I cycle 5 or 6 plants.. plus the 1,000 watt was $100 on Craig's list with bulb, hood, and remote ballast, plus what the heck.. go big or go home! Quick question for you.. after all your observation, do you see any need for MH bulbs for flowering, or would you have stuck to total HPS?
Thank you very very much for taking your time to make this post. For your amazing attention to detail, and your willingness to help others. It is so amazingly appreciated and I know I am not the only one who has been inspired. Can't wait for the final yield total..
Maybe I could stop by the next boarding trip up to Bear.. I'm gonna dream about those CJ buds from what little sleep I get tonight