Jigfresh's Closet Flooded Tube Vert Scrog - 1000w

Although I answered before, (perhaps I am not knowledgeable enough, lol)I'll give it another stab. Applying the principles of early pruning on any type of plant species to encourage growth, and in particular air floor around the base of the plants and in general, I would consider a good thing. Taking a non vertical scrog, the consensus is that lower branches are erroneous so are also removed, this I believe is due to the natural flow of energy in a plant to it's highest point. After growing vertically for a while now I would also say that the plant still focuses it's main energy into it's uppermost buds, we may be able to trick nature, but the plant still applies the same principle I think in trying to catch wind currents with pollen in them (i.e making the top of the plant bigger). My plants unfortunately still have the odd popcorn sized bud on lower branches if I haven't removed them, even though they get reasonable light exposure vertically. So I would still stick with my original prognosis of removing them.

Anyhoo, happy to hear anyone who has any other ideas.

Peace, DST

MidwestMike said:

Hey bud, you are the inspiration behind my grow design. But if the power goes out again get your tube and put it about a foot above the the top of your pipe system, then curve it down so it hangs in the pipe but not submerged, then suck it until the water gets above the hump in the tube and starts flowing down. This should give a steady flow of water, not as much as a pump but it would keep it fresh so you wouldn't have to water it every hour. Did this as a science project in the 5th grade.

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Was thinking about that but wasn't sure it would work. Hopefully there will not be a next time to try this. But I do appreciate the info. Plus it's always fun to get a mouth full of nutrients, lol. Thanks for checking in and being a part of the thread. Glad I could hand off a bit of inspiration.

natto said:

That weather sounds awful and unbearable, but also an incredible experience in a way (hope you know what I mean!) and the beauty of it - I'd be almost as interested in seeing outdoor pics of that (nothing identifiable of course) as I am in your grows!

Thanks so much for the reply about your vertical method. It was the pics from your first grow 'skeleton' I saw, I'm pretty sure (it was the CJ) - it amazed me, and the crop was unbelievable.

It's put a huge smile on my face to hear that a fella from the US and his missus have fallen so in love with cricket I don't watch much but can spend all day, every day, watching the Ashes - just about the pinnacle of a sports contest in my book, unmissable!! I haven't caught much of the WC so far, but now's the time to start watching! I'm a big believer that watching sports is one of the best ways to connect with other countries and cultures around the world, and to really understand them. Out in Japan seeing the Sumo was a revelation - and not just the actual bouts - meeting the wrestlers and seeing them train and how they lived, even bumping into them in the local 24/7 convenience store, because I worked around the corner from a training stable. And the Muay Thai (sp?) in Thailand - not the stuff put on for tourists, but the real stuff in the National Stadium, Bankok, with us the only foreigners there and the locals going crazy with the betting against the cage holding them back, as the band played more and more furiously as the action in the ring hotted up...awe-inspiring. We were lucky enough to see that transvestite champion kickboxer (most people won't know what I mean but I think there's a movie about him/her). And the baseball in Japan...wow.

I'm a bit of a PS3 fiend, have been for years, went into writing reviews for a bit but got disillusioned with it...my writing dreams lie elsewhere so will be interested to follow that part of your story my friend Black Ops sounds pretty bad right now, but there's a patch out next week I hear. Wait until you go 20-1,2, or even 3, it's sweeeet!! That was mainly in CoD4 for me, because those kills came from skill and knowing the maps, but in later games you can rack up 10 or 15 kills from killstreaks, and not 1 vs 1 skill, which seems a bit lame to me...that's why I think they somewhat killed the later games...

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I'll get a couple pics of the snow up. And my CJ grow was my second big grow. First was the Hindu Skunk + White Widow flat scrog. I did a purple kush grow as well... but that was started on a bookshelf and I finished in the HS + WW setup. I only got 2.5 oz. Kinda a tack on grow to the first. Anyways, I've had 3 big grows so far, plus the PK. On my 4th biggie now. I've harvested just under 2.5 pounds so far.

Foreign sports are so interesting to me. Always love it when I'm in England and get to watch some of the stuff you guys watch. I remember watching something like basketball, except you couldn't move with the ball... and if I remember correctly there was no backboard, or something. I think girls were playing. Not even sure it was English, maybe european? Also caught some boat racing stuff where they go through carved out 'paths'... was pretty wild. I love Sumo as well. Don't get to see much here in the states, but when I get the opportunity I love watching. I like the tradition of it, and how they only wrestle once a day. And the 'referees' look so wild. Haven't seen much Muy Thai, but it is on my list of things to check out now after your guys' recommendation.

About the world cup, some of the games have been epic. All the amazing games have involved England, who I support. Netherlands almost beat Eng. Eng v India was a draw at 338 runs. Just amazing that they could play 50 overs each and end up in a draw. Was a stellar match. Then CAN YOU BELIEVE IT.... Ireland beat England. Wow that was a match to see. Sucks England lost, but what a great innings by Ireland. Kevin O Brian scored the fastest 100 in World cup history... I think it was in 50 balls!!! And it was the highest succesful chase in WC history as well at 327. Just unbelievable.

I love my ps3. We bought it a couple months after it came out. My wife is on the PS3 right now. She loves to play Oblivion. I like it too. My favorite is Gran Turismo, waited for 5 to come out forever. And of course my new addiction is Black ops. Patch came out, but doesn't seem to have helped... still sketchy, but it's like going to the dope mans house, no matter how sketchy it is, you just gotta do it to get your fix, hahaha.

DST said:

The Beautiful Boxer is an awesome film and story. My wife and I love Mauy Thai, I had the pleasure of being trained how to fight Muay Thai style by her, lol. She rocks!

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I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the tip.

kevin said:

hey jig, i really don't think taking away smaller popcorn sites will add any weight to the already bigger bud sites. i'd like to hear an awnser from a more knowledgeable person. i know 1/4 of my last harvest was popcorn and i'm glad it was there. other than that how has life been treating you and the mrs.? my 3 year old grand daughter had her first soccer practice yesterday, i haven't laughed that hard in a long time watching the coach trying to direct a herd of kids to kick a ball into the net.

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I definitely believe that trimming popcorn buds adds to the bigger buds. Like DST was saying, it's about sending the energy to the big ones. The best 'proof' I've seen is from #1Raiderfan420 (i think that's his name, he posts in my threads)... he has run the same setup and same strain over and over again, so his numbers are consistant. Not only consistant but amazing his buds are. Anyways, he had trimmed all the stuff below his screen (he does a scrog) on all his grows until this last one. He trimmed most, but left some smaller budsites to see if it increased the yeild. It came out that he got the same weight, only there was wayyyyyyy more trimming to do, and the bigger top buds weren't as massive as usual. So I think the weight evens out leaving the smaller stuff or not... only thing is you can have many small buds plus the big ones... or only big ones (and have them a bit bigger). I prefer trimming.

My question was really if it was too late, not whether to trim or not. It's funny because purists think it's sacrelidge to pull anything off a plant, but I follow the new school. Trimming and pulling stuff I don't like is just part of the growing process for me.

DST said:

Although I answered before, (perhaps I am not knowledgeable enough, lol)

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Funny D. I'm not sure if I trust your skills...

Pics to be posted soon... I'll go take a few for you guys. The trich army has begun it's march into the closet. Stuff is smelling SOOO beautiful in there. And my fingers are getting sticky when touching the plants.

Gonna write another post now, just to break stuff up.

So. Bad news. We lost our baby. Got a call from the wife on Tuesday while I was out saying our little one came out much too early. Spent all yesterday in the Hospital (10am - 7pm) so she could have a procedure done to make sure everything was settled in her tummy. Shit sucks sometimes. Trying to look at the bright side of things, we can travel to England + Netherlands now. My wife can drink caffeine again. And I'm not the only one cleaning up the cat poo (pregnant ladies shouldn't get close to cat poo, something called Toxoplasmosis that can affect the babies development). So that's the bright side. THe other side is that it's probably going to cost something like $1000 for the procedure... and that's after insurance helps. We won't be having a baby in 2011... hopefully 2012. My wife's really angry at everything, and I'm just desolate (is that the right word? lol, how would you guys know). Things just kinda seem like 'what's the point'. Oh well. I'm happy to have a grow going on to keep my mind on something productive. It makes me happy to have something I'm nurturing and raising.

Appreciate the good vibes you guys have been sending. Keep them coming.

peace

EDIT: just wanted to add... I'm not trying to kill my thread here, so please feel free to comment on anything, it doesn't have to be all about bad stuff. I won't think you are insensitive because you think I'm full of shit with the popcorn buds thing, or think cricket sucks, haha.

Dam J, I am really really sorry to hear that bru, and you know that, but I need to say it anyway.

Toxoplasmosis is what kills the lad in Trainspotting! Nasty stuff, lets leave it at that.

Anyway, look forward to you visiting the Netherlands and seeing the grow update.

Peace my bru,

DST

DST said:

Dam J, I am really really sorry to hear that bru, and you know that, but I need to say it anyway.

Toxoplasmosis is what kills the lad in Trainspotting! Nasty stuff, lets leave it at that.

Anyway, look forward to you visiting the Netherlands and seeing the grow update.

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Thank you my friend. Not sure about trainspotting. All I really remember from that movie was when that guy shat the bed in that girls house and he tries to wash it, and the shit flies everywhere. Ahhh the joys of hard drugs.

I'm looking forward to the trip as well. I took a couple pics of the grow... gonna have to take more with the lights off, can't really see much detail with all that fucking light.

Also included a couple shots of the snow my wife took for all interested. The trees hanging down into the street are around 30-35 feet tall and they stand straight up normally.

Here's some shots I took with the wifes camera when the lights were off. Still not doing the plants justice, but oh well.



Shots of the plants started from seed. I killed 3 and 2 others were on their way, so I pulled them. There are 7 plants here. They are 3- Dogs, 2- Trinity Rainbow Purple, 1- NY-47, and 1- OG Kush.


Dog (OG x Headband) and OG Kush tops


Big Dog


Big TRP

I like the pic with the Cat and you in it! cool shot, and also the one after that with the blue sky!


Crazy, you live in California!!! Have a nice weekend lad.

D

Looking swell there Jiggy! You and D are real "jungle" people ^^

Nice snow pics...I've had it w snow for this winter though...first day w real sun here, vegging plants are in the window

//peace

i will be doing some better trimming next time and maybe i'll get a little better top bud and not so much popcorn.

DST said:

Although I answered before, (perhaps I am not knowledgeable enough, lol)I'll give it another stab. Applying the principles of early pruning on any type of plant species to encourage growth, and in particular air floor around the base of the plants and in general, I would consider a good thing. Taking a non vertical scrog, the consensus is that lower branches are erroneous so are also removed, this I believe is due to the natural flow of energy in a plant to it's highest point. After growing vertically for a while now I would also say that the plant still focuses it's main energy into it's uppermost buds, we may be able to trick nature, but the plant still applies the same principle I think in trying to catch wind currents with pollen in them (i.e making the top of the plant bigger). My plants unfortunately still have the odd popcorn sized bud on lower branches if I haven't removed them, even though they get reasonable light exposure vertically. So I would still stick with my original prognosis of removing them.

Anyhoo, happy to hear anyone who has any other ideas.

Peace, DST

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+rep and +sub. This setup is beautiful....I wish I could do something similar.

Happy Belated Birthday J!!!

sorry to hear of the loss jig, all the best to you n your good lady. they say things happen for a reason, last person said that to me i kicked in the balls. that happened for a reason i said.... if this is gods plan he's a sadistic twat imo

garden looks great, theres a lot to be said for this vert lark. all i see is you and D with a crazy number of girls in a tiny space and pulling weight out.

stay up jig!

View attachment 1479975 all that snow , the waters just beggan to worm up here , still low 60s doh... stay strong jig , iam not a man of faith but i pray every day for my love ones, today my prayers are for you...

DST said:

Crazy, you live in California!!! Have a nice weekend lad.

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Sunny Southern California, haha. It's so wild that 15 minutes drive you are in the desert. Close to Josua tree and not all too far to Death Valley. And only about 1.5 hours from the beach too.

PANGcake said:

Looking swell there Jiggy! You and D are real "jungle" people ^^

Nice snow pics...I've had it w snow for this winter though...first day w real sun here, vegging plants are in the window

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Thanks PC. Sometimes I wish I was a tiny monkey so I could go and swing around in my little jungle. Hope the sun stays out for you up there.

kevin said:

i will be doing some better trimming next time and maybe i'll get a little better top bud and not so much popcorn.

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I would definitely recommend it. Glad I could turn you on to a new idea.

Psychild said:

+rep and +sub. This setup is beautiful....I wish I could do something similar.

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Thank you Psychild. Welcome to the ride. Hope you like the new pics and video.

So I finally spent a bit of time to take some proper pics. I turned off the 1k and brought out a flouro tube along with a normal incandescent to light things. Used my wifes 8 MP Casio camera. $90 camera takes really good pics. The plants are looking great. There are a few very big fan leaves that are getting some heat stress mixed with wind burn. I've been leaving them be for 3 reasons. 1. I figure they take the brunt of the heat, so as to protect the leaves behind. 2. They are taking the wind head on, again protecting the leaves behind. 3. I think always best to leave big fan leaves as they go with big branches which yield big buds. Do you guys reckon I pull them to expose the other leaves to light and airflow? Or maybe because they aren't helpful in a state like they are? Let me know what's you guys thinks.

Also, sorta bad news but I think I have a plan to tackle it. My first plant in the system. (the Top left one) I'm not sure if it's because it has first crack at the water, or because the water is most oxygenated at the beginning or what.... BUT the damn thing has grown too many roots and damed up the tube. There is water dripping out the hole it is in. For the moment I have a cup catching it (you can see it in one of the pics). What I'm planning is to rig a cup to hang from the tube catch the water and I was going to put a tube from the cup to the rez, so the water can just drain back home. There is absolutely no way of getting at the roots at this time. No freaking way, so I think that will be ok with the cup. Hope others don't follow suite and clog things more. Grrrrr. I waited too long to put them into 12/12. Oh well.

On to the pics....


Bottom Row


Couple shots from above:



Some of the bigger buds:




These two are on the bottom row. Looking nice:


Frosty!!!:



This is a shot of the smallest little plant I almost didn't think would make it... looking good now. (you can see the cup on the left):


Reaching for the stars:



Upskirt:

Hey Jig, was just thinking after I saw your post on the 6hun. I know you said there was no way to get at the roots, but how about doing something like this...where the roots are clogging up, get a thin bit of tubing (perhaps even a few straws or something). Try and get them jammed into the root system so that the top of the straw is letting water in, and then the other side of the straw lets water flow past onto the next set of roots (kind of like a mini drainage system inside your drainage system? Hope you understand what I mean. Not sure if that would be possible, but better tha hacking away at roots....peace, DST

I'm really sorrry to hear of your loss Jig. I just now am reading it because I've been a bit busy lately and haven't had time to go through all of my subbed threads. Had the wife's B'day last Friday and we did a whole weekend out of it which was pretty fun, been trimming, transplanting and taking clones. Things are slowing back down now though and I'm trying to play catch up on here.
I used to have a cat that was colored almost identical to yours but was smaller I think. She looked like a Russian Blue but didn't have the right eye color. She was a sweet kitty that I miss.

Lastly, it's beautiful at your place right now! I'd say I'm jealous but I can't stand the cold at all and try to suck it up when I go snowboarding (haven't been in a while, lol).

Everything's looking great....sounds to me like you might just have the best solution for your problem, a tube sounds like a great idea to me!

Awesome man they look like they've really bulked up after surviving the great power outage of 2011! =)

any updates jig? hope all is well.

DST said:

Hey Jig, was just thinking after I saw your post on the 6hun. I know you said there was no way to get at the roots, but how about doing something like this...where the roots are clogging up, get a thin bit of tubing (perhaps even a few straws or something). Try and get them jammed into the root system so that the top of the straw is letting water in, and then the other side of the straw lets water flow past onto the next set of roots (kind of like a mini drainage system inside your drainage system? Hope you understand what I mean. Not sure if that would be possible, but better tha hacking away at roots....peace, DST

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Good Idea D... I may install something like that for next grow so something like this doesn't happen. There's no way of doing what you are talking about... things are just too fixed into place. Thanks for the idea though.

Dezracer said:

I'm really sorrry to hear of your loss Jig. I just now am reading it because I've been a bit busy lately and haven't had time to go through all of my subbed threads. Had the wife's B'day last Friday and we did a whole weekend out of it which was pretty fun, been trimming, transplanting and taking clones. Things are slowing back down now though and I'm trying to play catch up on here.
I used to have a cat that was colored almost identical to yours but was smaller I think. She looked like a Russian Blue but didn't have the right eye color. She was a sweet kitty that I miss.

Lastly, it's beautiful at your place right now! I'd say I'm jealous but I can't stand the cold at all and try to suck it up when I go snowboarding (haven't been in a while, lol).

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My place now is even better... no snow, 75 degrees, blue skies. Well yesterday at least. Today was cold and foggy. Grrr. Happy late birthday to your wife... My bday is March 6... guess that's pretty close to hers. Thanks for the condolences. On the baby front, there is good news somewhere. A fellow RIU'r some of us know had his little one last week. I'm very thrilled and can't wait to hold the little thing.

Psychild said:

Everything's looking great....sounds to me like you might just have the best solution for your problem, a tube sounds like a great idea to me!

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Thanks for stopping by buddy.

brownbearclan said:

Awesome man they look like they've really bulked up after surviving the great power outage of 2011! =)

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If you thought that was bulked up... check them out now!!! And let's hope that was all the outages for the year... please.

kevin said:

any updates jig? hope all is well.

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Here you go kevin. Hope you got things going well there too.

SO.... Here's what's going on. I went on a cruise to Mexico this past week. It was my wife's first cruise and my second (first one was 20 years ago). Anyways we had a great time. I was all confused because it was right in the middle of the final weeks of my grow. I am not sure how long these plants are going to take, so it was hard to know when to administer the gravity (nutrient supplement, not the physical force). I like to do it 3 weeks before harvest and run for about a week. Well I've decided 9 weeks will be my target harvest this go round (might be sooner or later depending on trichs)... but that is what I'm planning on. My trip went from a day before 7 weeks to the middle of 8 weeks. I decided to put in gravity before the trip, when I decided this I only had 3 days (maybe 4) to run the gravity before I started having to fill the rez with water.. and lots of it.

I filled the tank with 28 gallons of water before I left. No nutrients. They are on a flush now. And I'm glad I started flushing when I did. They have been flushing for a week now and no signs of deficiencies. Everything's as green as ever. They should be starting to yellow soon, shouldn't they? Anyways, I was in an utter panic the day we left. I woke up with extra time to get ready, I was all proud of myself. Ready before the wife and everything. Then I peeked in at my plants for one last time... and what do I see, but a MASSIVE LEAK. The place that was dripping before was now streaming out like a faucet. It wasn't too crazy, maybe 1 gallon an hour... BUT when you are leaving them completely alone for almost 100 hours 1 gallon an hour is quite alarming. I quickly jumped into action and did the best fix I could in the least amount of time possible. I cut a plastic cup in quarters and used one part. I sorta hung it from the tube with tape and let it catch the water stream and run it into the previously installed plastic cup.

The whole trip I kept my fingers crossed. Luckily I came home to happy plants and plump buds. The fix worked just as hoped. The stream is probably 4 gallons an hour, but it's going right back to the rez. Oh yeah... and the other thing was the cut I was using for whatever reason was not dumping the water fast enough for the new faster flow... so I had to make a new one. I got water all over when I changed them. Oh well. I ended up cutting the mini cola below that because it was just soaked and I didn't want it to mold on my and have the mold blow onto other plants, etc, etc. All is well now... haven't even needed to mind it since I've been home.

The trichs are probably 80% cloudy and 20 clear.

Here's some pictures. Oh yeah... The plants are almost 8 weeks through 12/12. I figure about another week or so.

Top Row


Bottom Row





This is a plant on the bottom level!


2 pics looking up



The cup action