Its the end of the world as we know it

The Mayans say in 4 years... So I say in 4 years.

it's gonna be germs and it's gonna spread as fast as the flu. as soon as that vial breaks.

fdd2blk said:

it's gonna be germs and it's gonna spread as fast as the flu. as soon as that vial breaks.

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OOOOOO See thats like a resident evil type disaster.....Thats awsome Chill Factor type shit would make for cool CNN story before we all die...

End of the world or end of humanity? very different questions...

Provided the Earth does not collide with any other extremely large astronomical bodies (and go careening out of orbit) the most likely end of the world event will occur when the Sun begins its expansion stage approximately 4-5 billion years from now. The Earth will either be completely engulfed and consumed by the Sun or be left a withered desert world less hospitable than Mars. But 5 billion years is a long time and who knows what can happen between now and then.

The end of humanity is a different question completely. One likely cause of extinction may be the same thing that did in the dinos -- a large asteroid strike and subsequent fallout preventing sunlight from reaching the Earth for a few tens of thousands of years ought to do it.

Disease and nuclear war would most likely not wipe out humanity completely but would certainly change the mode of survival for our species. The germ theory is unlikely since most germs mutate to not kill their hosts - at least not too quickly (before they have a chance to breed). Even something debilitating and deadly like AIDS and bubonic plague gives you time to make some babies first. The reason germs can mutate to not be so deadly (or more deadly depending on need) is they breed so quickly so natural selection (evolution) occurs on a much faster scale than for larger animals. And if history has taught us anything it has taught us that species go extinct but life is very tenacious and resilient. And humans are one of the best adapters since we don't have to rely solely on natural selection thanks to our overdeveloped big brains.


And i have to add - Mayas? really? It doesn't seem very wise to put your faith in an ancient civilization that couldn't even predict its own demise let alone the end of the world and then turn around and poo-poo highly trained modern science as if they know less than peoples who lives thousands of years ago. Something to consider anyway...

my two cents...

thanks for all the comments everyone. some really good points were made. except for the little fight about grammer.

from being raised in an lds family, when you turn 16 you have the option to recieve a patriartical blessing. it is pretty much a prayer that tell you blessing you will have in your life, and in a way foretells how your life will play out, if you live by the laws of the church. this prayer is given by a patriarch.... anyways i have listened numerous times when friends or siblings got theres. and proabably 5 out of the 10 ive heard say. this individual person will be alive when the world ends. and these people were about my age (twenties). i dont even know if i believe these blessing are true, but LOTS of people do and try to live up to their prayers.

smokinjs said:

i dont even know if i believe these blessing are true, but LOTS of people do and try to live up to their prayers.

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Sounds like self-fulfilling prophecy may be playing a role.

therell be huge events in the future but were still here untill we evolve into something completely different

email468 said:

Sounds like self-fulfilling prophecy may be playing a role.

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i was pretty much forced to attend church untill i was about 15 and refused to go anymore. that is the main thing i hate about the lds church, they block your vision to the real world. keep you inside a bubble. which can be a good thing, untill you are old enough to be on your own. then you realize how fucked up it was. religion is something each person has to be able to decide on their own. not forced upon them. shit maybe i should have put this in the religion forum. feel free to move it mods.

email468 said:

And i have to add - Mayas? really? It doesn't seem very wise to put your faith in an ancient civilization that couldn't even predict its own demise let alone the end of the world and then turn around and poo-poo highly trained modern science as if they know less than peoples who lives thousands of years ago. Something to consider anyway...

my two cents...

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Actually email, the Mayans did predict their own demise. They predicted the coming of the Spanish conquistadors(sp?), the coming of the white man, as well as the founding of America and the Revolutionary War; check into it.

December 21, 2012.........

Will not be the end of the world, but it just MIGHT be the end of the world as WE know it.

Erniedytn said:

Actually email, the Mayans did predict their own demise. They predicted the coming of the Spanish conquistadors(sp?), the coming of the white man, as well as the founding of America and the Revolutionary War; check into it.

December 21, 2012.........

Will not be the end of the world, but it just MIGHT be the end of the worl as WE know it.

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well like email was saying the end of the world and the end of humanity are two different subjects. i agree. but what i talking about is the end of humanity. no matter who gets elected into office, we are in a world of hurt. may sound weird but im anxious to see what doomsday will be about. what will take place.

Oh no doubt they are two VERY different things. Every prediction that has ever been made has been about the end of humanity. The only one to ever say "the end of the world" was Nostradomus, and he said that would be in like 3300 or something very close to that. They have all said that after "doomsday", life will go on, but it will be very different than the way it is now.

Hell, maybe nothing at all is going to happen. Maybe all of this shit is just gonna keep goin on like it is now, and the way things are in movies like The Fifth Element will become reality. It's cool to talk about though; only time will tell.

Erniedytn said:

Actually email, the Mayans did predict their own demise. They predicted the coming of the Spanish conquistadors(sp?), the coming of the white man, as well as the founding of America and the Revolutionary War; check into it.

December 21, 2012.........

Will not be the end of the world, but it just MIGHT be the end of the world as WE know it.

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If I hadn't already looked into it, I wouldn't have said what I did. It is highly doubtful that any of the prophesies attributed to the Mayas are actually prophesy - let alone accurate ones. I've already debunked this for you on another thread but you persist in pushing this baloney. I thought you were interested in the truth or at least evidence. But when presented with conflicting evidence you continue to support the less likely interpretation. I am confused as to why. I recommend you check into it (and please don't forget the "real" science sites rather than relying solely on the pseudoscientists).

There is no science in prophecy my friend. You have to step away from all the science to truly understand it.

Here are some FACTUAL sites as to what the Mayan's prophecised:

Maya katun prophecy in the books of Chilam Balam

Mayan cycles

Why 2012?

I don't understand why you fight so hard to debunk something that is not debunkable. No matter how hard we sit and here and argue about this, neither one of us can provide hands down, end of story evidence to say that either one of us is right. You say the Mayan's did not predict their own demise, I say they did; it's all about point of view.

thats right everyone has the way they see it. and nothing can change that. people think they KNOW what will happen or when it will happen. but the no one does. every relegion says THEY are the correct one. there is just no way to know. and anyone that says they know is wrong. like ernidytn said ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

I belive its the Mayan belief.. in 2013.

Erniedytn said:

There is no science in prophecy my friend. You have to step away from all the science to truly understand it.

Here are some FACTUAL sites as to what the Mayan's prophecised:

Maya katun prophecy in the books of Chilam Balam

Mayan cycles

Why 2012?

I don't understand why you fight so hard to debunk something that is not debunkable. No matter how hard we sit and here and argue about this, neither one of us can provide hands down, end of story evidence to say that either one of us is right. You say the Mayan's did not predict their own demise, I say they did; it's all about point of view.

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How is this not debunk-able? It either is an accurate prophecy or it isn't.

It isn't about a point of view - it is about evidence. If you investigate the archaeological evidence, you'll find that many folks studying these ancient writings are saying that the writings you call prophesies are being misinterpreted. Another words, what some folks are considering prophetic writing, others are considering to be just history and nothing to do with future events.

My question is why do you believe the people who say the Mayans' made prophesies vs. believing the people who say they didn't? Do they have better websites? Have you never read anything that says those folks are full of it?

I don't believe they were prophetic because I don't see evidence for any other occurrence of prophetic writing. It is special pleading to say the Mayans' could do it and no other culture can. <- This is my argument btw.

Because you believe or have a point-of-view does not make it true.

smokinjs said:

thats right everyone has the way they see it. and nothing can change that. people think they KNOW what will happen or when it will happen. but the no one does. every relegion says THEY are the correct one. there is just no way to know. and anyone that says they know is wrong. like ernidytn said ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

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I completely and absolutely agree that NO ONE knows what will happen which would include all prophesies.

Erniedytn said:

You have to step away from all the science to truly understand it.

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I use science to understand the world around me. Stepping away from science places me firmly in non-reality. If I have to step away from science to understand it then my bullshit detector is on extremely high. And there better be a very damn good reason for believing something without evidence.

I haven't found a good reason for believing without evidence yet.

email468 said:

Because you believe or have a point-of-view does not make it true.

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Because you DO NOT believe or have a different point of view does not make it UNtrue.