It is NOT nute burn

You will know your plant has been overfed if leaf turgidity is hard and brittle, and the leaves are glossy. It's like night and day. Necrotic leaf margins usually means deficiency.

If the leaves have 0 water pressure, it's because your plants aren't getting enough nutrients, or because somebody cut the stem.

Point us to even 1 thread where a DWC grower (even a noob) would treat for nute burn after feeding 200ppm. No one (credible) is that retarded.

And if anyone is, LET THEM BE. And stop losing sleep over it.

Also, what was with the quotes around "beneficial bacteria" up there?? Like it doesnt exist or something?

And if i don't reply to your answer, that's just me taking my own advice, and letting you be.

churchhaze said:

You will know your plant has been overfed if leaf turgidity is hard and brittle, and the leaves are glossy. It's like night and day.

If the leaves have 0 water pressure, it's because your plants aren't getting enough nutrients, or because somebody cut the stem.

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You could have both problems if you are under watering your plants and overfeeding them at every watering. They will burn from the heavy dosage and droop from the lack of water.

2Hearts said:

I see no difference dwc coco soil aero as the overall ppm levels are the same for all mediums. Off top of my head 400-600ppm seedling early veg, more if your strain allows or your confident enough.

End of day plants absorb nutes in same amount reguardless of medium, some mediums allow the plant to grow faster and better allowing more but difference is more plant size.

I know general info on all mediums but coco is most popular here, soils just for the purist pros (joke).

Riu sucks for reference or help, when.i read a journal i flip to the end to check the end product was grown well before commiting to the rest so i can find out what went right as most make the same mistakes ...just my opinion.

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There's a big difference *when* to give nutes in different mediums, and how much. Most soils have enough nutrients for up to a month in veg (some less, for instance my organic compost I use has enough for ~2 weeks). Giving too much too early will definitely cause burn. My grows in coir, perlite or hydroton require nutes way sooner.

As far as your jab at RIU sucking for help and reference, I highly disagree. There are some significantly experienced and helpful people on here, giving back what they have learned. I had 15 years outdoor experience before I came here, and it was RIU where I got a wealth of information to get a very good understanding for indoor, which I've been doing for two years now, under the help and criticism of other growers here

-spek

SnaFuu said:

Point us to even 1 thread where a DWC grower (even a noob) would treat for nute burn after feeding 200ppm. No one (credible) is that retarded.

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http://rollitup.org/t/plants-drooping-in-dwc.842469/

This isn't the best example, but in this one, nobody but me advised raising ppm. One person even suggested it wouldn't make a difference!

When things improved, he credited everything but the higher ppm.

I could find a lot of better examples if given the time and I really cared. You're going to have to take my word that people do call this burn all the time, and the grower takes the bad advice to "run even lower ppm" on a regular basis.

spek9 said:

There's a big difference *when* to give nutes in different mediums, and how much. Most soils have enough nutrients for up to a month in veg (some less, for instance my organic compost I use has enough for ~2 weeks). Giving too much too early will definitely cause burn. My grows in coir, perlite or hydroton require nutes way sooner.

As far as your jab at RIU sucking for help and reference, I highly disagree. There are some significantly experienced and helpful people on here, giving back what they have learned. I had 15 years outdoor experience before I came here, and it was RIU where I got a wealth of information to get a very good understanding for indoor, which I've been doing for two years now, under the help and criticism of other growers here

-spek

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Sorry if i came across dissing riu and humble apologies.

My soil dose have nutes in but probably similar levels to what you feed in a nuteless medium is what i meant but everything else you said i totally agree with. I wouldnt be here if i didnt love riu and thought it would make me a better person and grower, again apologies i came across all wrong.

2Hearts said:

Sorry if i came across dissing riu and humble apologies.

My soil dose have nutes in but probably similar levels to what you feed in a nuteless medium is what i meant but everything else you said i totally agree with. I wouldnt be here if i didnt love riu and thought it would make me a better person and grower, again apologies i came across all wrong.

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My apologies if I replied in an overly defensive tone. But on the other hand, after my few-month hiatus, I came back here and am reading a lot more negativity about RIU in general (especially by newbs), which I see as an insult to the long-time loyal people who have been helping others on this site.

No harm done!

Happy growing

-spek

Ok i agree he needed to raise the ppms in that situation, and you should have gotten more credit. But he's a noob. And he did raise it, and it worked. He never treated for nuteburn at 250ppm! How would you do that, anyways? Switch to RO? lol

Now my problem lies with your next post on that particular thread.

"Underfeeding is almost always the reason why DWC growers have symptoms that look like "overwatering"."

Really? Think about that for a second and tell me if you still think that's accurate.

Even when i was a DWC noob if i read that i would discredit you and move on to the next post. So i can't really blame him for not giving you credit where it's due. Shame though.

But i understand your frustration. I'm in the same boat as you pretty often. I just shake my head and move on to help the next guy. Or i get fed up and don't visit this part of the forum for the rest of the week lol

And on that note, maybe this ranting thread belongs somewhere else like toke n' talk.

So this thread is supposed to be constructive your holiness???

Yer sorry ive been here before on and off over the years and also to share and gain the knowledge. No negativity for riu here and would be if my knowledge banter and eagerneas to expand my potential didnt boost this place. Im going back to flouros from hps which is why i thought id get back on as curious on what peeps are yeilding but thats another thread.

The guy was seriously underfeeding but intrestingly the roots still grew some. The advice to just pass it by seems good but yer it sucks. Im still humbly apologising but ive enjoyed the thread.

churchhaze said:

The reason I sound like I have an attitude on this subject is because nobody ever listens when they have underfed plants.

It's very frustrating watching a bunch of noobs constantly giving out bad advice that conflicts with what I know is right from over 15 years of experience growing pot.

If you want to call that pretentious, fine. If you have any common sense, you'll make sure your droopy plants are well fed.

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And defensive.

I don't think you have to worry about things drooping until you become an old man...