Loftiest
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They're both almost purely forms of entertainment, so it's not as if they're entirely different.
Is the press giving the president a free pass?
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CrackerJax
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Wrong again. Must be frustrating.
TreesOfLife
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I have been awake sir. Just helping others here that is all. =)
TreesOfLife
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You are a Ninny.
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ViRedd
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NBC has been in the tank for Obama the entire way. MSNBC continually trashes anyone, or any organization that criticizes Obama. The entire NBC network has become nothing more than a shill organization working for, and promoting the Obama administration.
NBC's parent company is General Electric. General Electric stands to make BILLIONS off of government contracts for green energy programs, especially wind turbines.
Gee, I wonder if there's a connection?
Vi
NBC's parent company is General Electric. General Electric stands to make BILLIONS off of government contracts for green energy programs, especially wind turbines.
Gee, I wonder if there's a connection?
Vi
CrackerJax
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Yes Vi.... right on target there. That won't stop me from investing in GE though.. 
ViRedd
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You filthy capitalist, you!Yes Vi.... right on target there. That won't stop me from investing in GE though..
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CrackerJax
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Muhahahah...a dying breed? 
I think not....
I think not....
bicycle racer
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so green energy is bad? should we stick with our dwindling oil run economy. you do realize oil at the rate were using it will be gone in a short number of years. so because of political views some shun alternatives that screws everyone who lives in the us not just the liberals.
CrackerJax
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No, we should not abandon RESEARCH into alternative fuels. By the way NO ONE is doing more research into this than the oil companies.
We do not have a "dwindling" supply. We have an UNTAPPED supply. We have PLENTY of oil, plenty, for many decades to come.
If we took the long view, the PRUDENT view, we would let the oil companies do what they do best, drill safely. Think Russia and Iran drill more safely than us? Think the Russians are going to be tender to the Arctic (they are expanding up there every day we do not)? We are most certainly going to be on oil for a long time. If you CARE about the environment, you should be able to see clearly that the US does it better and CLEANER than anyone else. Or does your political beliefs trump the environment? Sounds a bit conflicting to me.
While we get our domestic supply spiking upwards (helping the economy and jobs), we can then have the time to PERFECT alternative energies and bring them online without disturbing the economy and environment.
You have to look at the entire picture.
bicycle racer
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i find it hard to believe the oil companies which price gouged the shit out of every american over the last few years are really trying to develop anything besides to look as if there being progressive. they have frequently for years purchased patents of working alternative car systems or other new methods for energy they then bury the technology and go about there business. when they have sucked the earth dry of oil and no more money can be made they will find alternatives my point is if they wanted to this years ago with there money and resources we would already be less reliant on oil but there greedy so they buy people out and shelve ideas this has gone on blatantly for decades.
CrackerJax
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You haven't a clue do you? Oil comps don't set the prices.
Why wouldn't big oil do the research? You think they are just going to drift into financial extinction? No, they plan on being the DOMINANT alternative energy companies of course. But all in good time, unless you like to live in a rollercoaster world of energy prices. Bringing a premature alternative energy source online does just that. Remember Ethanol?
The reason why alternative energy doesn't take over is because it cannot compete price wise with oil or coal, it's pretty simple.
Example: A solar energy plant is being built about 40 miles from me.
Size of the plant? 500 acres
Efficiency? They won't say ... but let's assume since sunny days are not dependable and of course half the 24 hr day is dark.... it is well under 50%
Now let's look at a coal plant
Size of the plant? 50 acres
Efficiency? 99% (wow) That's 24/7 at 99%
Now just the other day we had a storm come through with what they called "devastating hail". Hmm, how would 500 acres of solar panels do with devastating hail? Not well I'd guess...... Throw in a hurricane and you have to start from scratch while the coal plant is humming away.
Look at the big picture ......
Why wouldn't big oil do the research? You think they are just going to drift into financial extinction? No, they plan on being the DOMINANT alternative energy companies of course. But all in good time, unless you like to live in a rollercoaster world of energy prices. Bringing a premature alternative energy source online does just that. Remember Ethanol?
The reason why alternative energy doesn't take over is because it cannot compete price wise with oil or coal, it's pretty simple.
Example: A solar energy plant is being built about 40 miles from me.
Size of the plant? 500 acres
Efficiency? They won't say
... but let's assume since sunny days are not dependable and of course half the 24 hr day is dark.... it is well under 50%Now let's look at a coal plant
Size of the plant? 50 acres
Efficiency? 99% (wow) That's 24/7 at 99%
Now just the other day we had a storm come through with what they called "devastating hail". Hmm, how would 500 acres of solar panels do with devastating hail? Not well I'd guess...... Throw in a hurricane and you have to start from scratch while the coal plant is humming away.
Look at the big picture ......
medicineman
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After looking at the big picture, all I see is big players sucking the life out of the planet for selfish purposes, same as always. Nothing has changed in 5,000 years of human development, just the technology. when the wheel was invented, some asshole probably patented it and charged a fee for using his Idea. Like all good inventions, the Haves eventually get control and charge the have-nots for using it. Aint Capitalism great?? The perfect form of commercialism to satisfy the greediest assholes on earth.
bicycle racer
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your missing my point. of course they wont go into financial ruin but im sure with what technologies they have bought or developed will not be used until profits from oil dwindle and they are forced to do so. my point is if they were less greedy some technologies would likely be available now but they are shelved as i said so oil can be milked dry first. then on to new profits. these people are in charge of these companies are not good people when we(all americans) were paying astronomical gasoline prices these companies reaped record profits there is something deeply wrong about and of course then theres the iraq invasion but thats another conversation. as far as hail and wind thats easily overcome its 2010.
CrackerJax
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They will make the switch when it is economically feasible..... not forced to.
It is the forcing (govt.) which leads to instability and loss of faith in the markets.
Like I said, all in good time. There is a right way to get there and a wrong way. the govt. has chosen the WRONG way.
It is the forcing (govt.) which leads to instability and loss of faith in the markets.
Like I said, all in good time. There is a right way to get there and a wrong way. the govt. has chosen the WRONG way.
bicycle racer
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i meant forced by lack of available fossil fuels. i should have been more clear
CrackerJax
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Well that's a long way off which makes alternative fuels even more premature.
This is not to say that research should not continue...it should.
Also, if another source is discovered that is cheaper and more plentiful, we should go for it FULL BORE.
As of right now, there is NOTHING that compares to fossil fuels.... let's just get the ducks in a row before we start the shooting.
Right now our energy policies are being politicized and are not in our best interests, no matter how warm and fuzzy it makes us feel.....
This is not to say that research should not continue...it should.
Also, if another source is discovered that is cheaper and more plentiful, we should go for it FULL BORE.
As of right now, there is NOTHING that compares to fossil fuels.... let's just get the ducks in a row before we start the shooting.
Right now our energy policies are being politicized and are not in our best interests, no matter how warm and fuzzy it makes us feel.....
ViRedd
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I love to listen to "Progressives" talk of green energy, greedy oil companies, saving the earth, hugging trees ... with no mention of nuclear energy as part of the equation. Until they start talking about the development of nuclear energy plants, their arguments will be nothing but hot air.
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