Is The Conservative Movement Destroying The Middle Class?

redivider · Jul 18, 2011

conservatives want to cut taxes so they can keep cutting services.

cutting government budgets means cutting services.

like interpreters in courtrooms to provide a better justice system to those who might not be fluent in english.

sync0s · Jul 18, 2011

redivider said:
conservatives want to cut taxes so they can keep cutting services.

cutting government budgets means cutting services.

like interpreters in courtrooms to provide a better justice system to those who might not be fluent in english.

Yeah sure, lets lie and mislead some more.

You know what, conservatives also like to fuck turtles. Did you know that?

redivider · Jul 18, 2011

sync0s said:
Yeah sure, lets lie and mislead some more.

You know what, conservatives also like to fuck turtles. Did you know that?

who's lying??

you are the one saying unfounded bs.

i made a pretty good case. boo hoo for you huh??? loll

sync0s · Jul 18, 2011

redivider said:
who's lying??

you are the one saying unfounded bs.

i made a pretty good case. boo hoo for you huh??? loll

Actually, you didn't. Your point in conservatives wanting to remove funding for services that protect essential liberties is unfounded, misleading lies. You need to pay attention to what a true conservative thinks needs to be cut and kept. I just have lose by ambition to argue point by point with ignorant people for the moment.

UncleBuck · Jul 18, 2011

sync0s said:
Yeah sure, lets lie and mislead some more.

You know what, conservatives also like to fuck turtles. Did you know that?

let's be clear.

i only 'liked' this comment for the turtle fucking reference, which is assuredly true.

otherwise, i primarily disagree.

sync0s said:
...pay attention to what a true conservative thinks...

redivider may not know your style of 'conservatism' yet. you are pretty ok in my book, and i am a 'liberal'.

deprave · Jul 18, 2011

redivider said:
ran into a story that exemplifies how the whole 'cut the budget small government' approach to our society is screwing the poor.

court appointed interpreters.

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-states-dispute-over-court-interpreters-160137216.html

a very racially charged issue, i know

who do you think suffers more when the court doesn't get an interpreter?? a rich chinese guy, or the poor woman in the story?? do you think a rich chinese guy wouldn't pay for an interpreter??

but he can afford it!!! < that's what conservatives will say. not being able to afford somebody to translate what's happening in court doesn't provide justice in our view of the law. well, that's how it used to be... conservatives are kinda convinced that we should think, so?? their fault!!

but that's not how our nation worked for the past century. you know, when our nation wasn't just great, it was the best. now this nation is descending into a shithole with a government which finds itself less able to provide services...
.

No they wouldn't, that is a stereotype, conservative philosophy has nothing at all to do with this. and beside that fact this all has nothing to do with conservative vs liberal. an interrupter is required by law in a legal situation. again I didn't read it but it sounds like one fucked up judge to do something like try someone without an interpreter. Id like to know if those judges are considered conservative or liberal, then you might sort of have an argument.

londonfog · Jul 18, 2011

question not talking about conservatives per say...but do you guys really like what these Republicans are doing right now ???

sync0s · Jul 18, 2011

UncleBuck said:
let's be clear.

i only 'liked' this comment for the turtle fucking reference, which is assuredly true.

otherwise, i primarily disagree.

redivider may not know your style of 'conservatism' yet. you are pretty ok in my book, and i am a 'liberal'.

Lol trust me I know. I actually partially expected it

deprave · Jul 18, 2011

londonfog said:
question not talking about conservatives per say...but do you guys really like what these Republicans are doing right now ???

Of course not lol

deprave · Jul 18, 2011

if your talking about in the states.

Coals · Jul 20, 2011

So we all agree the Repubs are as big a part of the problem if not more than the Dems? In that case, in 2012 would you still vote red, especially when you consider the complete lack of credible candidates they have?

NoDrama · Jul 20, 2011

Ron Paul is a VERY credible Candidate, but I agree, the others are not.

mame · Jul 20, 2011

sync0s said:
Actually, you didn't. Your point in conservatives wanting to remove funding for services that protect essential liberties is unfounded, misleading lies. You need to pay attention to what a true conservative thinks needs to be cut and kept. I just have lose by ambition to argue point by point with ignorant people for the moment.

Political strategy: "Starve the Beast"

George Bush in 2001 said:
so we have the tax relief plan [...] that now provides a new kind -- a fiscal straightjacket for Congress. And that's good for the taxpayers, and it's incredibly positive news if you're worried about a federal government that has been growing at a dramatic pace over the past eight years and it has been.

Sarah Palin to Congress said:
please [Congress], starve the beast, don't perpetuate the problem, don't fund the largesse, we need to cut taxes."

I like Krugman's take:

"Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government’s fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit."

"...beast is starving, as planned..."

"Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they’re not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they’re not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan — and there isn’t any plan, except to regain power."

londonfog · Jul 20, 2011

NoDrama said:
Ron Paul is a VERY credible Candidate, but I agree, the others are not.

Ron will not get the nod...We all know this...I don't see why he don't go third party....It seems like the time is just right for it

NoDrama · Jul 20, 2011

londonfog said:
Ron will not get the nod...We all know this...I don't see why he don't go third party....It seems like the time is just right for it

I kind of agree, its just damn near impossible to stay out in front of a Juggernaut of a campaign that has 100 times the money behind it. Third party always loses in the modern era.

NoDrama · Jul 20, 2011

mame said:
Political strategy:"Starve the Beast"[/URL]

I prefer to Bleed the beast myself.

londonfog · Jul 20, 2011

NoDrama said:
I kind of agree, its just damn near impossible to stay out in front of a Juggernaut of a campaign that has 100 times the money behind it. Third party always loses in the modern era.

Remember we are in the youtube,facebook, social media age...If Ron said the hell with it and started that third party movement it would blow up like whoa....The little man would pour money into his campaign just because they are sick and tired of the choices they are force to make right now...Hell if not now when ????? Get a campaign slogan that simple and catchy and the rest would take care not itself..right now people hate both parties...and remember this is coming from someone who does not really care for Ron Paul, but I know he would stand a better chance giving the people a third choice...Hell it just might make the other two parties start acting like they give a phuck..Ron Paul already has the name ...He just need a party

NoDrama · Jul 20, 2011

londonfog said:
Remember we are in the youtube,facebook, social media age...If Ron said the hell with it and started that third party movement it would blow up like whoa....The little man would pour money into his campaign just because they are sick and tired of the choices they are force to make right now...Hell if not now when ????? Get a campaign slogan that simple and catchy and the rest would take care not itself..right now people hate both parties...and remember this is coming from someone who does not really care for Ron Paul, but I know he would stand a better chance giving the people a third choice...Hell it just might make the other two parties start acting like they give a phuck..Ron Paul already has the name ...He just need a party

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to londonfog again.

budlover13 · Jul 20, 2011

londonfog said:
Remember we are in the youtube,facebook, social media age...If Ron said the hell with it and started that third party movement it would blow up like whoa....The little man would pour money into his campaign just because they are sick and tired of the choices they are force to make right now...Hell if not now when ????? Get a campaign slogan that simple and catchy and the rest would take care not itself..right now people hate both parties...and remember this is coming from someone who does not really care for Ron Paul, but I know he would stand a better chance giving the people a third choice...Hell it just might make the other two parties start acting like they give a phuck..Ron Paul already has the name ...He just need a party

Damnit! Don't you have something better to do than state the truth? Go clean some lint traps or something!

LOL! i agree but will continue to support RP since i see no more viable third-party candidate.

Good post London.

londonfog · Jul 21, 2011

budlover13 said:
Damnit! Don't you have something better to do than state the truth? Go clean some lint traps or something!

LOL! i agree but will continue to support RP since i see no more viable third-party candidate.

Good post London.

lol..actually lint traps have to be check every closing..part of the clean up...and ducts have to be check every two weeks ( don't get caught during inspection with trashy ducts...)!!!! need a job.. just had to let someone go because of that :sad:

really hate doing it, but I refuse to get fined just because someone was to lazy to do what they get paid for..!!!!!!!!

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