Is it ok to be a pretend christian?

mexiblunt · Jul 24, 2009

matthew said:
So I became an atheist about the time I got married. My wife knows how I feel and she knows I read a lot about religion (she is a devout "I am nothing without God" Christian.) So I have been thinking about becoming a "pretend christian", by that I mean tell her that I have "seen the light" and converting to her religion and getting into the church.

What say you mighty potheads?

I think you should do it! But go big!! Be the super christian. plan bible groups every other day, bible camp, services,services. If your going to do something do it right! Get the whole church to believe you've seen the light. You will have 100's of instant friends that will call you every day to their bible studies if your not currently holding one of your own 3 night a weekers.

GregD88 · Jul 25, 2009

matthew said:
So I became an atheist about the time I got married. My wife knows how I feel and she knows I read a lot about religion (she is a devout "I am nothing without God" Christian.) So I have been thinking about becoming a "pretend christian", by that I mean tell her that I have "seen the light" and converting to her religion and getting into the church.

What say you mighty potheads?

Don't pretend to be something you're not, if she won't accept you for who you are then you don't need her.

MattHigh · Jul 29, 2009

My Fiance just left me after 9 years, b/c im an anti-theist and she is a die hard christian. pretty shitty, Be yourself forever and always.

spartree · Jul 29, 2009

Unhappiness awaits those that lie...Mathew 34:16.......Pretend and be dammed...Hebrews 3:9......A christian in sheeps clothing is an ass....Me...9:16

Big P · Jul 29, 2009

spartree said:
Unhappiness awaits those that lie...Mathew 34:16.......Pretend and be dammed...Hebrews 3:9......A christian in sheeps clothing is an ass....Me...9:16

I say better to lie to her but only if you are trying to make her a more happy person

if you are doing it cuz she bitches at you about it then dont even think about it. and dont let her bitch to you about smoking, tell her straight up if she dont like it she can beat feet. She will actually have more respect for you if you do that. If not she will walk all over you. gurls and children constantly test your boundies until you have put your foot down and solidly set them in stone.

if she bitches to you about it tell her to stop or you will crush her fantasy god believing world with logic.

and here is the main logic so beware believers this will destroy u if your brain is functioning like a humans:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

striker87413 · Jul 30, 2009

dont pretend just tell her u will go and see what u think and maybe soon u wount have to pretend and u could be converted

strangerdude562 · Jul 30, 2009

I think you should be honest and not lie to your wife, doing so will just create more problems, don't mess with religion dude.

Tippin Cows · Jul 30, 2009

Don't change for the chicks. It's always a mistake.

wm2009 · Jul 30, 2009

Big P said:
and here is the main logic so beware believers this will destroy u if your brain is functioning like a humans:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Hmmm no... will not work so easily..

Big P · Jul 30, 2009

wm2009 said:
Hmmm no... will not work so easily..

so is that quote in-correct? pls advise which part is untrue? :hump:

wm2009 · Jul 31, 2009

Big P said:
so is that quote in-correct? pls advise which part is untrue?

Christians can disprove any of these points with logic too..
Because of the original sin whole humanity has been damned to suffering forever... that's why 'god' didn't do anything to save its son from being killed
Also christians see suffering as part of life, they even promote suffering as it makes humans grow spiritually
They believe in freedom on the earth, they adore a dead man over a cross...

Big P · Jul 31, 2009

wm2009 said:
Christians can disprove any of these points with logic too..
Because of the original sin whole humanity has been damned to suffering forever... that's why 'god' didn't do anything to save its son from being killed
Also christians see suffering as part of life, they even promote suffering as it makes humans grow spiritually
They believe in freedom on the earth, they adore a dead man over a cross...

the only problem with that is having freedom on earth is fine, but how could god let a man have the freedom to kill someones child. what about that childs freedom

so you are saying the following about god:

God is able to prevent evil, but he is unwilling to do so.

this means god is malevolent

Main Entry:malevolent
Part of Speech:adjective
Definition:hateful
Synonyms:bad-natured, baleful, catty, despiteful, dirty, evil, evil-minded, hellish, hostile, lousy, malicious, malign, malignant, murder, murderous, pernicious, poison, rancorous, rough, sinister, spiteful, tough, vengeful, vicious, vindictive, waspish, wicked

I would not worship a god like that even if he did exist, he can send me to hell i dont care i know i am in the right. he allows babies to starve to death. without even giving them the chance to make this own decisions to be good or evil

if u sit back for a moment and think for yourself logically and tune out what so many have taught you just for a moment. it will be enlightening

pot scott · Jul 31, 2009

atheist's are naaive, all this stuff around you didn't just happen on it's own, someone or something created it, no one can be perfectly sure who created us or why, but i do believe that we are of extra terrestrial origin and that cannabis is a holy herb that brings us spiritually closer to the truth. Cannabis opens up ur mind to the wonderful things in life that normally we would take for granted. :peace:

Big P · Jul 31, 2009

pot scott said:
atheist's are naaive, all this stuff around you didn't just happen on it's own, someone or something created it, no one can be perfectly sure who created us or why, but i do believe that we are of extra terrestrial origin and that cannabis is a holy herb that brings us spiritually closer to the truth. Cannabis opens up ur mind to the wonderful things in life that normally we would take for granted.

somthing created us, problem with that is somthing would of had to create the somthing that created us. so you really arnt answering any questions with that one your just passing the buck

i submit everthing in the universe was never created. I think it was always here.

i think the only answer we can have is that there is no such thing as nothing.

it is impossible to have nothing so therefore there is always somthing

just the fact the "somthing" exists means there is really no and never has been "nothing"

then you couple this with the current scientific theories of the big bang, amino acids creating life and evolution you can bring it all up to us today chatting in these forums.

anyway just my theory. you cant create somthing out of nothing

pot scott · Jul 31, 2009

Big P said:
somthing created us, problem with that is somthing would of had to create the somthing that created us. so you really arnt answering any questions with that one your just passing the buck

i submit everthing in the universe was never created. I think it was always here.

i think the only answer we can have is that there is no such thing as nothing.

it is impossible to have nothing so therefore there is always somthing

just the fact the "somthing" exists means there is really no and never has been "nothing"

then you couple this with the current scientific theories of the big bang, amino acids creating life and evolution you can bring it all up to us today chatting in these forums.

anyway just my theory. you cant create somthing out of nothing

Well, here is wat i truly belive, i believe that the purpose of life is to achieve a greater spiritual position, when u die, u are reincarnated into a new life where ur actions in life decide whether or not u will be at a higher or lower spiritual position in your next life. I believe that the highest spiritual position is being reincarnated as an extra terrestrial. It just makes sense, because the extra terrestrials tie into most major religions around the world, and it seems as if they are the only plausible creators of mankind.

wm2009 · Aug 1, 2009

Big P said:
the only problem with that is having freedom on earth is fine, but how could god let a man have the freedom to kill someones child. what about that childs freedom

so you are saying the following about god:

God is able to prevent evil, but he is unwilling to do so.

this means god is malevolent

Main Entry:malevolent
Part of Speech:adjective
Definition:hateful
Synonyms:bad-natured, baleful, catty, despiteful, dirty, evil, evil-minded, hellish, hostile, lousy, malicious, malign, malignant, murder, murderous, pernicious, poison, rancorous, rough, sinister, spiteful, tough, vengeful, vicious, vindictive, waspish, wicked

I would not worship a god like that even if he did exist, he can send me to hell i dont care i know i am in the right. he allows babies to starve to death. without even giving them the chance to make this own decisions to be good or evil

if u sit back for a moment and think for yourself logically and tune out what so many have taught you just for a moment. it will be enlightening

Someone can say humans are often malevolent. No, One that follow step by step the bible will sure not be evil... maybe a very very boring person :-|

Personally I don't believe in God, but why bitching with a girl beliefs... atheism is not a secret.

bigwheel · Aug 1, 2009

Well I vote for what MexiBlunt said. Pretending to be a Christian is great because faith is an "action" not an emotion. You start acting like a Christian...God will honor that and the next thing you know you will be one. Thats how I got saved. You sniff around on the bait (God's Word) a little and the Holy Ghost will set the hook in your jaw and reel you up to Heaven. You can fight and flop around all you want but you can't spit out the hook. I love it.

fish601 · Aug 2, 2009

i would suggest give it a real go open up if its not real at least you gave it a chance.. i think she would appreciat you giveing it a try

dpjones · Aug 3, 2009

To the OP, you are a brave person to voice that thought. Most people are to stupid to even give what you said serious thought and would just flame and slander you. So good on you.

Twistyman said:
Why not.. the Christian right do that every day.. they claim to have a higher moral compass than everyone else, yet they are the least forgiving and the least tolerant of all others that don't meet their supposed moral high ground... As in the bible Jesus was supposed to have understanding and compassion for all..gay, gamblers, prostitutes, lepers...etc.. but the religious right now has NO tolerance for anything.. one of us or not worthy of life sort of ideal... Look what religion has done for the world...... jihad..... crusades....Northern Ireland.....
Republican intolerance........ Want me to be religious.. ?? not on your life..
pretend away.......they do..

Frustrating aint it. They believe so strongly they dont even consider it for themselves. Just believe what they are told no questions asked.

el shaggy said:
I feel most people lie to themselves about their beliefs, I think its because its indoctrinated into our minds at a young age.

I can't really remember if I ever truly believed. But I lied to myself until I started thinking for myself.

And its also my opinion that atheism isn't very healthy for your soul, you need some kinda spiritual outlet, I know smoking is one of mine.

I agree 100% with everything you said and have come to those same conclusions many times by myself. I was christian for about 10 years of my life (the propa thing not pretend). Until a few things happened which made me question it.

Funny thing is after i stopped believing my life went drastically down hill. Mainly because i was surrounded by people of low moral values unlike in a church. Many times i have considered pretending to believe just to be back in a good atmosphere.

chuckbane said:
you should never have to pretend to be anything. if people cant accept you for who you truly are then they don't deserve to have you in their life

lol you are so clueless

theagnostic said:
Matthew, I hope you still read this thread and I hope your marriage is going well.

I'm in exactly the same boat. My wife is an evangelical. I'm an agnostic, because I think being hard-lined atheist is almost as close minded as being Christian, because we just don't know everything. But I subscribe to mostly atheistic beliefs. And my wife is a hard-lined evangelical Christian. My dad is a pastor, my uncle is a pastor, my brother will be ordained in a couple months and will be an Army chaplain in August.

Around my family, my wife and church people, I tell them I'm Christian. Funnily enough, I even teach Sunday School.

For me, I rationalize it this way. I love my family. I love my wife. My wife's social circle is the church. I think keeping a happy home and a happy family is more important than the few hours a week I need to go to church or the animosity caused by my fervently extolling my beliefs.

Many people sit on their own soap boxes and say they would never "sell out" their beliefs. But when I prioritize my life, it goes 1) Wife & kids 2) family 3) security 4) friends 5) beliefs. I'm willing to sacrifice convincing those in my family or church for overall happiness of their and my life. And once my kids get old enough, they will be getting an alternate education from me, but also, I will teach them about maintaining a happy family.

My wife knows that I was agnostic and she knows I still hold tenets like evolution, big bang, etc., but I tell her that I think it's just Genesis taken figuratively. It saves a lot of arguing between us. I tell her and my family I'm born again, I just think that the Bible shouldn't be taken 100% literally. And that opens up thoughtful discussion without the animosity.

So, do what's right for you and your situation.

You nailed it on the head. Personal happieness aint important when it comes to people you love.

Big P · Aug 4, 2009

wm2009 said:
Someone can say humans are often malevolent. No, One that follow step by step the bible will sure not be evil... maybe a very very boring person

Personally I don't believe in God, but why bitching with a girl beliefs... atheism is not a secret.

man either you are confused, cant read very well, or are just trying to pretend.

Is it ok to be a pretend christian?

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