Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?

nuskool89

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In the end, you could have an effort to make more white babies that translates into fewer white babies. Now where's the resident furry when you need him...
Wouldn’t banning abortions mean the black population would double though? State data on the subject is easy to find. Also black women have the highest percentage of multiple abortions compared to other races

By your own logic Republicans are helping the population become more diverse and protecting black lives.

:shock:
 

mooray

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In the long run, it's going to boost the availability of pharma treatments, which will affect every group.
 

hanimmal

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Wouldn’t banning abortions mean the black population would double though? State data on the subject is easy to find. Also black women have the highest percentage of multiple abortions compared to other races

By your own logic Republicans are helping the population become more diverse and protecting black lives.

:shock:
What happens when people can't get a abortion in a nice sterile environment by actual doctors?

That is the true evil of this.
 

schuylaar

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Im not sure how it is post ACA, but back in the day I know my now wife relied heavily on Planned Parenthood for a lot of her medical care when we were young and didn't have insurance. The right wing trolls would have people believe that all they do is abortions, but it is all aspects of women's healthcare that they help so many people who couldn't afford it otherwise.
correct but Planned Parenthood has a target on it's back so it's best to not depend on them for services. when i was a kid i've gone to them for services that was not abortion related. they do everything an ob/gyn does for the most part.

it no longer matters what the trolls believe because we have many resources with different names and that confuses them.

they have no idea the access we have right underneath their noses. every woman knows they can get hooked up with telemedicine now..one thing the pandemic did for us was fast track telemedicine authorization.
 

nuskool89

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However crude this may sound I have an inkling someone will capitalize on a courier service transporting women to other states for abortions and take things like food stamps as payment if it’s really driven that underground. Really though.


What happens when people can't get a abortion in a nice sterile environment by actual doctors?

That is the true evil of this.
 

hanimmal

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However crude this may sound I have an inkling someone will capitalize on a courier service transporting women to other states for abortions and take things like food stamps as payment if it’s really driven that underground. Really though.
That is the big scam with this bill. Anyone can sue those people helping them in any way, including a UBER driver. $10k if they don't have the ability to fight in court. Since it is not the 'state' imposing the penalty they think it is a go around Roe.

This is going to get women killed due to not having access to reproductive healthcare.
 

BudmanTX

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That is the big scam with this bill. Anyone can sue those people helping them in any way, including a UBER driver. $10k if they don't have the ability to fight in court. Since it is not the 'state' imposing the penalty they think it is a go around Roe.

This is going to get women killed due to not having access to reproductive healthcare.
your right...with this bill in Texas is gonna get women killed

and honestly it's just a stupid bill period.....let the women do what she wants and needs to do as far as her healthcare
 

Fogdog

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Wouldn’t banning abortions mean the black population would double though? State data on the subject is easy to find. Also black women have the highest percentage of multiple abortions compared to other races

By your own logic Republicans are helping the population become more diverse and protecting black lives.

:shock:
Could be but then again the rise in unwanted births will be offset by higher infant deaths and women dying due to complications with their pregnancy. Texas government just wants to make women have babies, they don't feel any responsibility to care for them. It's just another punitive and thoughtless act by Republicans.
 

hanimmal

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Could be but then again the rise in unwanted births will be offset by higher infant deaths and women dying due to complications with their pregnancy. Texas government just wants to make women have babies, they don't feel any responsibility to care for them. It's just another punitive and thoughtless act by Republicans.
I think that it is more sinister than that.

I think that the reason is that they want us arguing about this so that we forget that they have conned their 'base' and nothing get's people all worked up when you get 'Democrats' arguing to 'murder babies'.

It is about the conflict, and keeping people divided. Young poor women dying due to poor healthcare during pregnancy are not even on these hate mongers radar.
 

printer

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That is the big scam with this bill. Anyone can sue those people helping them in any way, including a UBER driver. $10k if they don't have the ability to fight in court. Since it is not the 'state' imposing the penalty they think it is a go around Roe.

This is going to get women killed due to not having access to reproductive healthcare.
And this is the evil thing about the law. You can not fight it as the government has said no government employee can enforce it. But a private citizen can sue you for driving your girlfriend, wife even, across the line. Even communicating to someone information that can result in an abortion gets the snitch $10k. And the Supreme court by not taking it up or telling the lower court to deal with it says this type of law is OK. And it does not even have to be about abortion.

Other States will be looking at doing the same thing now.
 

Fogdog

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I think that it is more sinister than that.

I think that the reason is that they want us arguing about this so that we forget that they have conned their 'base' and nothing get's Trump's base all worked up when you get 'Democrats' arguing to 'murder babies'.

It is about the conflict, and keeping people divided. Young poor women dying due to poor healthcare during pregnancy are not even on these hate mongers radar.
Made a change in your post in reply.
 

hanimmal

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MSNBC just had a great point.

Democratically controlled states, according to this new law and SCOTUS not stopping it, now have a open door for them to pass a law that anyone can sue anyone for carrying a gun in public essentially banning them from being armed.

I bet SCOTUS folds on this eventually because of this and are just using it as a political wedge issue to help the Republican election chances by 'triggering the libs'.

Made a change in your post in reply.
Much better ty.
 

CunningCanuk

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correct but Planned Parenthood has a target on it's back so it's best to not depend on them for services. when i was a kid i've gone to them for services that was not abortion related. they do everything an ob/gyn does for the most part.

it no longer matters what the trolls believe because we have many resources with different names and that confuses them.

they have no idea the access we have right underneath their noses. every woman knows they can get hooked up with telemedicine now..one thing the pandemic did for us was fast track telemedicine authorization.
I was hoping you would add something meaningful to the discussion. Thanks. Good post.

Maybe I’m overreacting. I have a wife and daughter who are American citizens and I’m very protective of them.

It’s apparently easier to change laws up here and I always have my eye on the Conservatives on this issue because of that.
 

printer

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Supreme Court declines to block Texas abortion law
Just before midnight, the court denied an emergency request from abortion providers to block the law, issuing a 5-4 ruling with Chief Justice John Roberts joining the court's three liberal justices in dissent.

The majority, citing procedural complexities, said abortion providers had failed to make a persuasive case for the court to step in but added that the challengers had raised “serious questions” about the law’s constitutionality.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, in a fiery dissent that was joined by her two fellow liberal justices, called the ruling “stunning.”

“Presented with an application to enjoin a flagrantly unconstitutional law engineered to prohibit women from exercising their constitutional rights and evade judicial scrutiny, a majority of Justices have opted to bury their heads in the sand,” Sotomayor wrote.

The impact of the law was already felt in Texas by late Wednesday, according to abortion providers, who said they were complying with the new state law by not offering abortions following the detection of fetal cardiac activity. The groups estimate that about 85 to 90 percent of women who get an abortion in Texas are at least six weeks into their pregnancy.

In July, a group of abortion providers filed a lawsuit to block Texas state judges from enforcing the law and court clerks from accepting lawsuits that allege violations. But a federal appeals court late last month effectively paused the legal challenge, prompting the group's emergency request to the Supreme Court.

The challengers argue the law violates the constitutional right to abortion first recognized in the landmark 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade, which prohibits states from banning abortion before a fetus is viable, typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The Texas law contains a novel mechanism that authorizes private citizens to sue those who perform or aid the procedure in violation of the measure, providing for at least $10,000 for each successful suit.

In its brief unsigned order Wednesday, the majority said it rebuffed the emergency request in part because it was unclear whether the named defendants in suit — primarily court and state officials — “can or will seek to enforce the Texas law against the applicants in a manner that might permit our intervention.”

Roberts, in dissent, said it appeared that the Texas law aimed to “to insulate the State from responsibility for implementing and enforcing” its restrictive abortion law, calling the legislative design “not only unusual, but unprecedented.”

“I would grant preliminary relief to preserve the status quo ante — before the law went into effect — so that the courts may consider whether a state can avoid responsibility for its laws in such a manner,” wrote Roberts, who was joined by liberal Justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan. Breyer wrote a separate dissent, as did Kagan, who called the Texas law “patently unconstitutional.”

The five conservative justices who comprised the majority added that their ruling did not seek to resolve questions about “the constitutionality of Texas’s law” or foreclose future lawsuits over the measure.

The abortion providers should scrape up $10k per procedure and have a person that is a friend of the person file the lawsuit. Then the abortion providers head files in court for every procedure they do (can a defendant be the complainant?) Clog up the courts without stopping the procedures.
 

printer

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Biden to assess possible federal response to Texas abortion ban
Biden decried the 5-4 decision as an "unprecedented assault" on a woman's right to an abortion under the precedent of Roe v. Wade and warned it will result in harmful consequences for millions of women in the nation's second most populous state.

"By allowing a law to go into effect that empowers private citizens in Texas to sue health care providers, family members supporting a woman exercising her right to choose after six weeks, or even a friend who drives her to a hospital or clinic, it unleashes unconstitutional chaos and empowers self-anointed enforcers to have devastating impacts," Biden said in a statement.

"For the majority to do this without a hearing, without the benefit of an opinion from a court below, and without due consideration of the issues, insults the rule of law and the rights of all Americans to seek redress from our courts," Biden added. "Rather than use its supreme authority to ensure justice could be fairly sought, the highest Court of our land will allow millions of women in Texas in need of critical reproductive care to suffer while courts sift through procedural complexities."
 
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