CrackerJax
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It's common knowledge that Iran has over 7000 centrifuges in action deep underground Paddy.... at least in my information circle.
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PadawanBater
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Well then show me a source, buddy. (you also said they're using all of them to enrich weapons grade uranium...)
CrackerJax
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Iran Has Centrifuge Capacity for Nuclear Arms, Report Says
By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: June 5, 2009
A week before Iran’s presidential election, atomic inspectors reported Friday that the country has sped up its production of nuclear fuel and increased its number of installed centrifuges to 7,200 — more than enough, weapon experts said, to make fuel for up to two nuclear weapons a year, if the country decided to use its facilities for that purpose.
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In its report, the International Atomic Energy Agency said that it had found no evidence that any of the fuel in Iran’s possession had been enriched to the purity needed to make a bomb, a step that would take months.
But it said that the country had blocked its inspectors for more than a year now from visiting a heavy-water reactor capable of being modified to produce plutonium that could be used in weapons. It also said that Tehran had continued to refuse to answer the agency’s questions about reports of Iranian studies obtained by Western intelligence agencies that suggest that its scientists had performed research on the design of a nuclear warhead.
The reason why everyone knows it's for enriching weapons grade is because they simply don't need that many centrifuges for reactor material......by the way Iran's STATED goal is 54,000 centrifuges....54,000.....
By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: June 5, 2009
A week before Iran’s presidential election, atomic inspectors reported Friday that the country has sped up its production of nuclear fuel and increased its number of installed centrifuges to 7,200 — more than enough, weapon experts said, to make fuel for up to two nuclear weapons a year, if the country decided to use its facilities for that purpose.
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Times Topics: Iran
In its report, the International Atomic Energy Agency said that it had found no evidence that any of the fuel in Iran’s possession had been enriched to the purity needed to make a bomb, a step that would take months.
But it said that the country had blocked its inspectors for more than a year now from visiting a heavy-water reactor capable of being modified to produce plutonium that could be used in weapons. It also said that Tehran had continued to refuse to answer the agency’s questions about reports of Iranian studies obtained by Western intelligence agencies that suggest that its scientists had performed research on the design of a nuclear warhead.
The reason why everyone knows it's for enriching weapons grade is because they simply don't need that many centrifuges for reactor material......by the way Iran's STATED goal is 54,000 centrifuges....54,000.....
Rob Roy
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How many nuclear bombs does the United States have?
ToucanSam
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That's nothing compared to the North Poleans!! Those guys have hydrogen bombs that could take out any major US city!
...see, I can make shit up too..
Source;
www.Crackerjaxneverciteshissources.com
HAHAHAH so true. Dont worry, he just follows the Great BIlL O'RILEY form of debate. Seriously though, id think crackerjax was one of his minions. You also forgot to mention that the North Poleans have ties to Osama. (but later on admit that it was just a fake excuse to invade) Dont worry though, Americans are to ignorant to care or do anything about it.
Good start with the false accusations of WMD's but you're also gonna need to make Americans xenophobic of muslims...oh wait the media and people like crackerjax already accomplished that!
It seems that you are off to a good start Crackerjax. If you were Bush the 3rd, all you would need is a few more ignorant conservatives to get the chant for war started! but guess what its not gonna happen.
Seriously, just give up on this thread. Its CLEAR, that your way of thinking has failed this nation and almost destroyed it. Thats not even debatable. Look at Bush's legacy.
And by the way..that "SOURCE"
you posted.. isnt very conclusive. The article itselft says that the UN observers dont know whats going on..and why the fuck should they? its non of the western worlds fuckin buisness. For too long the people of the developing world have been stepped on by the US but IRAN will end that. by flipping their fingers at the USA's attempt to bully them and scare them.
CrackerJax
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That's not even relevant....How many nuclear bombs does the United States have?
Oh then.....by the way, your logical assumptions are not logical at all. I can source all day long that Iran DOES have 7000 centrifuges spinning as you sleep. But since you don't WANT to be wrong, you jump on a bias wagon and hang on to your personal world view, no matter how incorrect it is, and it is incorrect.HAHAHAH so true. Dont worry, he just follows the Great BIlL O'RILEY form of debate. Seriously though, id think crackerjax was one of his minions. You also forgot to mention that the North Poleans have ties to Osama. (but later on admit that it was just a fake excuse to invade) Dont worry though, Americans are to ignorant to care or do anything about it.
Good start with the false accusations of WMD's but you're also gonna need to make Americans xenophobic of muslims...oh wait the media and people like crackerjax already accomplished that!
It seems that you are off to a good start Crackerjax. If you were Bush the 3rd, all you would need is a few more ignorant conservatives to get the chant for war started! but guess what its not gonna happen.
Seriously, just give up on this thread. Its CLEAR, that your way of thinking has failed this nation and almost destroyed it. Thats not even debatable. Look at Bush's legacy.
And by the way..that "SOURCE"
There is a very good reason why the UN doesn't know what's going on. Iran won't allow them to inspect anymore....duh. Now even though Iran is whipping up enriched uranium to beat the band and is plowing full throttle with missile technology AND has stated REPEATEDLY they intend to not be deterred in their goal, the UN....now blind to their endeavors, "THINKS" they are PROBABLY behaving....
It's a joke with a most dangerous punch line.I deliberately pulled that source from the Washington Times.....which has never been accused of being on the right. This shows us a few things.....
1.) Your bias is in full play which PREVENTS you from staying objective, which makes you no different from any other non thinker.
2.) By being unable to see that diplomacy is a folly when utilized on Dictatorships or Theocracies, you help create an even more unstable world.
You need to brush up on critical thinking. I don't see any indication you have any.
CrackerJax
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This is for those still asleep at the wheel......
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Iran And The Khan Con
Nuclear Terror: A key U.S. official admits that Iran is nearing "a dangerous and destabilizing" threshold. Rogue Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan brags of how he helped the Islamofascist state. Will we ever act?
"Iran is now either very near or in possession already of sufficient low-enriched uranium to produce one nuclear weapon, if the decision were made to further enrich it to weapons grade," Glyn Davies, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency, told the IAEA's board of governors this week in Vienna.
That means, Davies added, that Iran is now "closer to a dangerous and destabilizing possible breakout capacity." And he expressed the U.S.' "serious concerns that Iran is deliberately attempting, at a minimum, to preserve a nuclear weapons option."
Well, no kidding. Anyone not in a deep sleep for the last five years knows that. Yet Davies' statement gets reported as if it should be some kind of shock. (sounds like we have a few sleepers in RIU as well)
In defiance of no fewer than three different sets of economic sanctions approved by the U.N. Security Council, Iran continues full steam ahead with its uranium enrichment and heavy water activities, as IAEA inspectors reported last month. The toothless global nuclear "watchdog," for once discarding its rose-colored glasses, now admits that it cannot rule out military purposes behind Iran's violations.
Tehran has now produced more than 1,500 kilograms of low-enriched uranium, with which it might be possible to make more than 20 kilograms of highly-enriched, weapons-grade uranium enough to build at least one nuclear weapon.
This situation, which diplomats such as Davies now wring their hands over, was predicted for years by everyone possessing a trace of common sense.
"The fact is that Iran will never voluntarily give up its nuclear program, and a policy based on the contrary assumption is not just delusional but dangerous," former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton warned years ago.
"This," he said, "is the road to the nuclear holocaust."
In his best-selling book "Surrender Is Not An Option," Bolton detailed how Tehran rolled European and even Bush administration diplomats. In the afterword to an updated edition of the book, however, Bolton tells of the still "un-remedied" damage of the December 2007 National Intelligence Estimate. It erroneously claimed that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003.
The NIE which Bolton says was hijacked by the dovish State Department showed that "at least a significant element of the intelligence bureaucracy is utterly out of control." The document's consequences, according to Bolton, ranged from shredding the "Bush administration's diplomatic efforts to constrain Iran" to blocking White House consideration of a military strike on its nuclear facilities.
Bolton, as long ago as 2004, pushed the Bush administration to make public some of the intelligence the U.S. had gathered on Iran's warhead and ballistic missile activities, such as weaponizing its nuclear program. Among the troubling signs was information released by Iranian dissident groups on weapons design provided to Iran by Abdul Qadeer Khan. Khan is the Pakistani who ran an illicit nuclear proliferation network selling nuclear technology to Libya, North Korea and other enemies of the free world.
Now, Khan (who is under a laughable form of "house arrest" in Karachi) has revealed in an interview with Pakistani TV that he and other senior Pakistani officials hooked up Iran with "very reliable" nuclear equipment suppliers.
"Since Iran was an important Muslim country, we wished Iran to acquire this technology," Khan said in the Aug. 31 interview.
"If Iran succeeds in acquiring nuclear technology, we will be a strong bloc in the region to counter international pressure. Iran's nuclear capability will neutralize Israel's power. We had advised Iran to contact the suppliers and purchase equipment from them."
A nuclear Iran partnering with a radicalized, already nuclear Pakistan that was obviously Khan's dream. If the U.S. or Israel does not take credible steps to stop Tehran from becoming the world's first nuclear terror power, that dream will become our nightmare. It should not take the incineration of a European or American city to wake us up. (What is it Cracker keeps saying?? Wakey wakey)
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Iran And The Khan Con
Nuclear Terror: A key U.S. official admits that Iran is nearing "a dangerous and destabilizing" threshold. Rogue Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan brags of how he helped the Islamofascist state. Will we ever act?
"Iran is now either very near or in possession already of sufficient low-enriched uranium to produce one nuclear weapon, if the decision were made to further enrich it to weapons grade," Glyn Davies, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency, told the IAEA's board of governors this week in Vienna.
That means, Davies added, that Iran is now "closer to a dangerous and destabilizing possible breakout capacity." And he expressed the U.S.' "serious concerns that Iran is deliberately attempting, at a minimum, to preserve a nuclear weapons option."
Well, no kidding. Anyone not in a deep sleep for the last five years knows that. Yet Davies' statement gets reported as if it should be some kind of shock. (sounds like we have a few sleepers in RIU as well)
In defiance of no fewer than three different sets of economic sanctions approved by the U.N. Security Council, Iran continues full steam ahead with its uranium enrichment and heavy water activities, as IAEA inspectors reported last month. The toothless global nuclear "watchdog," for once discarding its rose-colored glasses, now admits that it cannot rule out military purposes behind Iran's violations.
Tehran has now produced more than 1,500 kilograms of low-enriched uranium, with which it might be possible to make more than 20 kilograms of highly-enriched, weapons-grade uranium enough to build at least one nuclear weapon.
This situation, which diplomats such as Davies now wring their hands over, was predicted for years by everyone possessing a trace of common sense.
"The fact is that Iran will never voluntarily give up its nuclear program, and a policy based on the contrary assumption is not just delusional but dangerous," former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton warned years ago.
"This," he said, "is the road to the nuclear holocaust."
In his best-selling book "Surrender Is Not An Option," Bolton detailed how Tehran rolled European and even Bush administration diplomats. In the afterword to an updated edition of the book, however, Bolton tells of the still "un-remedied" damage of the December 2007 National Intelligence Estimate. It erroneously claimed that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003.
The NIE which Bolton says was hijacked by the dovish State Department showed that "at least a significant element of the intelligence bureaucracy is utterly out of control." The document's consequences, according to Bolton, ranged from shredding the "Bush administration's diplomatic efforts to constrain Iran" to blocking White House consideration of a military strike on its nuclear facilities.
Bolton, as long ago as 2004, pushed the Bush administration to make public some of the intelligence the U.S. had gathered on Iran's warhead and ballistic missile activities, such as weaponizing its nuclear program. Among the troubling signs was information released by Iranian dissident groups on weapons design provided to Iran by Abdul Qadeer Khan. Khan is the Pakistani who ran an illicit nuclear proliferation network selling nuclear technology to Libya, North Korea and other enemies of the free world.
Now, Khan (who is under a laughable form of "house arrest" in Karachi) has revealed in an interview with Pakistani TV that he and other senior Pakistani officials hooked up Iran with "very reliable" nuclear equipment suppliers.
"Since Iran was an important Muslim country, we wished Iran to acquire this technology," Khan said in the Aug. 31 interview.
"If Iran succeeds in acquiring nuclear technology, we will be a strong bloc in the region to counter international pressure. Iran's nuclear capability will neutralize Israel's power. We had advised Iran to contact the suppliers and purchase equipment from them."
A nuclear Iran partnering with a radicalized, already nuclear Pakistan that was obviously Khan's dream. If the U.S. or Israel does not take credible steps to stop Tehran from becoming the world's first nuclear terror power, that dream will become our nightmare. It should not take the incineration of a European or American city to wake us up. (What is it Cracker keeps saying?? Wakey wakey)
jrh72582
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Yes it is! It's a simple deontological fact. Practice what you preach. If we have nukes, anyone can have nukes. Period.
CrackerJax
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That's so well thought out.
jrh72582
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It's deontology. The same rationale used to defend capital punishment, which I'm sure you agree with. You cannot randomly use a paradigm as justification for one idea and then abandon it for another. Right? This is very common - not arguable.
When you accept a deontological paradigm, you must apply it universally - basic philosophy.
CrackerJax
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capital punishment is not uniform. So it is arguable....
NEXT!
Someone with a bit more substance plz.
NEXT!
Someone with a bit more substance plz.
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PadawanBater
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lmao, dude you missed the whole point.
I don't mean to bring religion into non religious threads, but it's like when creationists say shit like "God has always been" then you say "well why couldn't the universe always have been?" and then they reply "because the universe isn't God"...
And then your brain hurts because of the stupidity just uttered...
JRH's comment applies perfectly.
Tell me why it's OK for the US to have nukes (arguably a terrorist nation in a lot of the world) but not OK for Iran?
hanimmal
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well I was trying to find a picture of wrestling tag team picture, but... I don't think google is the best place to try to find 'tag team' results....
The thing is, how different is nuclear energy enrichment and construction vs making a bomb? Everything that I had read shows them to be very similar, making it hard to tell which is which. So in a country that has serious power shortages, you don't think it would rather solidify its power grid before dumping so much into one to 4 bombs? I mean do you remember Drill baby Drill? How many times did you hear people saying we have to not stay away from nuclear power here in the states? But it is cool for us to say that a country that doesn't have one, is not allowed to? Imagine living there and not being able to have central air due to brown outs!
And as far as a bomb goes, they cannot get it to America so we are safe. So if they did make one they would go after Israel with it. And I really don't think that they cannot handle themselves. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few hidden themselves.
Besides do you think that Rollitup.org community somehow has better intel than the Israelies or our CIA? I don't think that what you are saying is any kind of revelation to anyone there. Just going to war is not the answer to anything, we cannot fight 4 wars at the same time.
And usually the first few bombs don't work anyway, this is not like making a pipe bomb. It takes a few tests to get it right.
CrackerJax
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Wow, there's a whole lot of backing up going on here all of a sudden...
Notice that ur positions keep weakening while mine strengthen? Not mine personally, of course, I don't own that position. My position is now becoming the reality EVEN to those you guys quoted AGAINST me earlier on.
I don't bring wishful thinking into my foreign policy perspectives.... ahem....like some others.
Like:
What could happen?
Oh, they're not really doing that....are they?(shrug)
Why shouldn't everyone have nukes? (this is perhaps the dumbest argument there is)
Oh, the first few usually don't go off. (ours sure did...back in 1947, and with KHAN helping..it's a certainty)
Try getting on google.... type in oh let's say... high school student+makes atomic bomb. See what comes up. The bomb part is quite easy. It's the uranium which is the problem. Iran has overcome it. It's going to HAPPEN unless they are attacked by military force.
Now I want you all to behave and not go back and edit ur past posts..... I want to enjoy them after I smoke some hash.
Oh and Paddy, capital punishment is not uniform...it's a specious argument. While it may be possible to develop a debatable construct with everyone having nukes, it will always lack one very important ingredient.
Common sense. If I could sell some ...I'd be a Billionaire.
Notice that ur positions keep weakening while mine strengthen? Not mine personally, of course, I don't own that position. My position is now becoming the reality EVEN to those you guys quoted AGAINST me earlier on.
I don't bring wishful thinking into my foreign policy perspectives.... ahem....like some others.
Like:
What could happen?
Oh, they're not really doing that....are they?(shrug)
Why shouldn't everyone have nukes? (this is perhaps the dumbest argument there is)
Oh, the first few usually don't go off. (ours sure did...back in 1947, and with KHAN helping..it's a certainty)
Try getting on google.... type in oh let's say... high school student+makes atomic bomb. See what comes up. The bomb part is quite easy. It's the uranium which is the problem. Iran has overcome it. It's going to HAPPEN unless they are attacked by military force.
Now I want you all to behave and not go back and edit ur past posts..... I want to enjoy them after I smoke some hash.
Oh and Paddy, capital punishment is not uniform...it's a specious argument. While it may be possible to develop a debatable construct with everyone having nukes, it will always lack one very important ingredient.
Common sense. If I could sell some ...I'd be a Billionaire.
CrackerJax
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Han, if you can't figure out why Iran shouldn't have nukes..... I can't bring you the rest of the way. You have a fatal flaw.
How about Nazi Germany? Okay for them? You mull it over...take ur time...
How about Nazi Germany? Okay for them? You mull it over...take ur time...
hanimmal
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Let's back up a step. Here is what I had said:
Nuclear power, why do people associate this with nuclear weapons?
Let's say that your in charge of Iran. Your people have severe electricity issues, and you dislike Jews. Your not the most wealthy nation, so you have to make a bunch of tough choices. Your people are becoming better educated and have access to the internet, so there is a lot of political upheavals that are beggining to brew.
Which would benefit your position more: A nuclear power plant that would stabalize the electrical grid and show the world that you are just trying to make your country better. And show everyone that a couple countries were lying about your intentions, pulling away those countries clout.
Or building a nuclear weapon and trying to win an ensuing invasion by the worlds most powerful army, who has over 3000 of those nuclear weapons that you may be able to build 4 of? Causing you to lose everything and end up being hung like your neighbor Saddam Hussein did? Just to kill some Jewish people.
Which would be the most likely answer?
for that nut in IRan to have nuclear capabilities scares the shit out of me. I worked for an Iranian chef for a numbre of years and I came to this concllusion. they are head strong and wont stop until they finish what they are doing.
CrackerJax
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Lawdy Han..... let that go.....
Why would you bury a facility deep in the ground and cover it with 30 feet of concrete if you were simply developing nuclear power. There's no need to enrich in a buried bunker.... use ur common sense. Iran themselves say different from you sir.
You are running out of sources that hold that position. I've just been ahead of the international learning curve...which is abysmally slow and not very steep.
I love how th IAEA thinks they are telling us as if it's a surprise!! It's a surprise only to them, but they knew this years ago...
How very sad. They are ineffective and should be scrapped. They know this too, and are in fact doing a Mea Culpa before the shiite hits the fan. (there's a joke in there folks.)
Yes Jaysus.... say it with me... JAYYYsus!!! The Persians have a plan, and they are working at it quite hard. Even their own citizens are expendable in this regard. They are determined to either go off the cliff alone, or take other countries with them.
Tonites guest is the Hidden Imam!
Why would you bury a facility deep in the ground and cover it with 30 feet of concrete if you were simply developing nuclear power. There's no need to enrich in a buried bunker.... use ur common sense. Iran themselves say different from you sir.
You are running out of sources that hold that position. I've just been ahead of the international learning curve...which is abysmally slow and not very steep.
I love how th IAEA thinks they are telling us as if it's a surprise!!
It's a surprise only to them, but they knew this years ago... How very sad. They are ineffective and should be scrapped. They know this too, and are in fact doing a Mea Culpa before the shiite hits the fan. (there's a joke in there folks.)Yes Jaysus.... say it with me... JAYYYsus!!! The Persians have a plan, and they are working at it quite hard. Even their own citizens are expendable in this regard. They are determined to either go off the cliff alone, or take other countries with them.
Tonites guest is the Hidden Imam!