Jointsmith
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Presidents aren't supposed to F up.... all should be called out for it...always.
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Wow..... hypocrite much??
Iran Update...
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Wow..... hypocrite much??
CrackerJax
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Read my post Paddy, it clearly says ALL Presidents...why do you keep inferring I'm a Republican... I am not.
This isn't a simple navy exercise in hostage extraction. This is going to take a set of balls to pull off. I can already see this journalists epitaph being written.... we'll see.
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This isn't a simple navy exercise in hostage extraction. This is going to take a set of balls to pull off. I can already see this journalists epitaph being written.... we'll see.
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medicineman
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Well, you finally did it, you kept this thread alive for over 1,000 posts. You get the prize, (the prize inside).Read my post Paddy, it clearly says ALL Presidents...why do you keep inferring I'm a Republican... I am not.
This isn't a simple navy exercise in hostage extraction. This is going to take a set of balls to pull off. I can already see this journalists epitaph being written.... we'll see.
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CrackerJax
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didn't even notice that... who does?out.
TheBrutalTruth
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Which bring you to the point that
There are Liberal Think thanks that were founded in the past that have missions to attack the principles and undermine the institutions of Freedom, and Democratic Capitalism - limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty, and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate?
What are you attacking?
The fact that it wants to
support freedom?
support Capitalism?
supports Limited Government?
Supports Private Enterprise?
supports Individual Liberty?
Supports Individual Responsibility?
Supports Vigilant and Effective Defense and Foreign Policies?
Supports Political Accountability?
Supports Open Debate?
What is your problem with any of those?
Do you want more slavery so dislike it's support of Freedom?
Oh, there it is, the Capitalism bit, you support Socialism so have a problem with it supporting Capitalism.
Wait, maybe it's the limited government, you want unlimited government, that dictates, when, where and how much you defecate.
Or maybe you oppose liberty, there is no liberty in slavery.
Or maybe its the individual responsibility...
What's your problem with their goals, because if you say its the fact that they accept donations from corporations I'll laugh my ass off, because the leftist think tanks do the same thing.
medicineman
New Member
What drove you to frenzy, the truth. All I was saying was the article was hugely biased by the right, by the conservative think tank. Was I lying? I don't think so. Are there liberal think tanks, I suppose so. But are they as fanatical as the right, I doubt it. Afterall, the right has most of the capital, and loss of that capital is what drives them to frenzy. Sort of like you just did.
Besides, If I didn't point this out, this site might become just another right wing Blogasphere, lord knows I way outnumbered by rigfhties on this site. I guess all the other liberals have given up and left the area. I've thought about it, aand may do so in the future, but for the present, I'll stick and play with the inferior minds of the right on this site. Nothing more satisfying than pissing off a righty.
ToucanSam
Member
Unfortunately, I've read a number of the posts in this thread.
Iran Update?...None of these conservative numb skulls know enough about Iran to talk about it, much less think they can argue the ambitions of a Nation they dont understand.
First off, Iran has a right to nuclear power AND weapons for that matter. Israel, has hundreds of nuclear weapons that they legally shouldnt have under international law. But the USA likes to ignore that their little bitch country has these weapons. Not to mention the Isrealis are much more radical and pro-violence than any Iranian, believe me.
Secondly, all you morons that think the USA and Isreal can just waltz into Iran and change the leadership, and disarm the (non-existant) WMD's, and ect..are completely ignorant. The USA cant handle Iraq. Iran has 5x the population, 5x the landmass, and 5x the fighting power of the Iraq that the US invaded. Not to mention half of the nuclear sites are located half a mile underground. I'd like to see ANY missle or bomb go that deep.
Also, the ones that said Iran has enough nuclear material to make a bomb, are just crying wolf to try and prove a false point. MANY countries have enough uranium to produce a nuclear weapon. Yet VERY FEW, have the resources, time, and money to enrich it into WEAPONS GRADE plutonium.
The only thing I hate more than conservatives, are ignorant ones that run their mouths and create lies and mistrust.
All you right wing mavericks are the same one who rallied for war against Iraq, the same ones that elected Bush, and the ones that currently propogate hate and rumors towards a country that you know NOTHING about.
What tricked the American people into going to war with Iraq, was lies and spun information from conservatives. Dont let them try and pull the same bullshit with Iran. Ive had enough of these fucking morons ruining my country. Thank God we now have a democrat to clean up the mess.
Iran Update?...None of these conservative numb skulls know enough about Iran to talk about it, much less think they can argue the ambitions of a Nation they dont understand.
First off, Iran has a right to nuclear power AND weapons for that matter. Israel, has hundreds of nuclear weapons that they legally shouldnt have under international law. But the USA likes to ignore that their little bitch country has these weapons. Not to mention the Isrealis are much more radical and pro-violence than any Iranian, believe me.
Secondly, all you morons that think the USA and Isreal can just waltz into Iran and change the leadership, and disarm the (non-existant) WMD's, and ect..are completely ignorant. The USA cant handle Iraq. Iran has 5x the population, 5x the landmass, and 5x the fighting power of the Iraq that the US invaded. Not to mention half of the nuclear sites are located half a mile underground. I'd like to see ANY missle or bomb go that deep.
Also, the ones that said Iran has enough nuclear material to make a bomb, are just crying wolf to try and prove a false point. MANY countries have enough uranium to produce a nuclear weapon. Yet VERY FEW, have the resources, time, and money to enrich it into WEAPONS GRADE plutonium.
The only thing I hate more than conservatives, are ignorant ones that run their mouths and create lies and mistrust.
All you right wing mavericks are the same one who rallied for war against Iraq, the same ones that elected Bush, and the ones that currently propogate hate and rumors towards a country that you know NOTHING about.
What tricked the American people into going to war with Iraq, was lies and spun information from conservatives. Dont let them try and pull the same bullshit with Iran. Ive had enough of these fucking morons ruining my country. Thank God we now have a democrat to clean up the mess.
CrackerJax
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Iran has no such right to nuclear weapons by International LAW. As for Israel, two wrongs don't make a right, so while I sympathize, it doesn't bolster your comment.
You have stumbled badly in your first post. Try and pick it up a bit. I'm sure you can.
You have stumbled badly in your first post. Try and pick it up a bit. I'm sure you can.
medicineman
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Thank God, A voice of reason. I was beginning to think I was all alone. There aren't many liberals on this site, or if there are, they are the silent type. There is always more than one side to a story and we need more liberals to step up and take on these heathen conservatives and their unhealthy agendas. Voices from the people need to be heard. We hear all the reasons free market capitalism is great, but never the down side. Like the overwhelming wasteful destruction of resources and the usery of labor for the the upper classes comfort. We need more vociferous liberals on the attack.
CrackerJax
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Funny stuff Med man.... as always. I just corrected how wrong he was and you jump on to the sinking ship... good stuff....
good stuff....
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PadawanBater
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Gotta agree with mr ToucanSam on this one CrackerJax.
2 sides to every coin. Imagine you were an Iranian, how would you feel speaking to your American self about this? Would you do that for me? Make a few lines of dialogue as if you were a citizen of Iran speaking to yourself in America. Like 10 lines, seriously, see how that comes out, it's not that hard and I don't think that's too big a request...
2 sides to every coin. Imagine you were an Iranian, how would you feel speaking to your American self about this? Would you do that for me? Make a few lines of dialogue as if you were a citizen of Iran speaking to yourself in America. Like 10 lines, seriously, see how that comes out, it's not that hard and I don't think that's too big a request...
CrackerJax
New Member
Look, we aren't trying to change the Iranians into something they are not. We just don't want an unstable regime having nukes and destabilizing that entire region more than it already is.
Paddy, somehow a lot of folks feel that if we just do the right thing by Iran (fill in the blank to what that is, I sure don't know), they are going to like us. They are not!
There is a world of difference between Israel having nukes and Iran having nukes. I shouldn't have to explain the contrast to you. It should be self evident by now.
The US is not alone on this issue. Did you happen to know that Saudi Arabia has already given the Israelis permission to use their airspace in an attack on Iran? Why? Because they see the very real danger of the situation as I do. Iran is not a grown up nation and has no business with nuclear warheads. Neither does North Korea or Pakistan for that matter. All three countries are unstable.
Iran having nukes will create a need for the rest of the Middle east to go nuke..... does anybody really want to see that happen? It's going to if Iran is allowed to proceed.....illegally I might add.
If I was an Iranian I'd be revolting against my government....oh wait, that has already happened....and Obama gave them the sharp stick in the eye for their troubles.
Having a society and being civilized are two different things.....Iran has not put the two together yet.
Paddy, somehow a lot of folks feel that if we just do the right thing by Iran (fill in the blank to what that is, I sure don't know), they are going to like us. They are not!
There is a world of difference between Israel having nukes and Iran having nukes. I shouldn't have to explain the contrast to you. It should be self evident by now.
The US is not alone on this issue. Did you happen to know that Saudi Arabia has already given the Israelis permission to use their airspace in an attack on Iran? Why? Because they see the very real danger of the situation as I do. Iran is not a grown up nation and has no business with nuclear warheads. Neither does North Korea or Pakistan for that matter. All three countries are unstable.
Iran having nukes will create a need for the rest of the Middle east to go nuke..... does anybody really want to see that happen? It's going to if Iran is allowed to proceed.....illegally I might add.
If I was an Iranian I'd be revolting against my government....oh wait, that has already happened....and Obama gave them the sharp stick in the eye for their troubles.
Having a society and being civilized are two different things.....Iran has not put the two together yet.
medicineman
New Member
Wait, is not Saudi Arabia Sunni muslims and Iran Shia muslims? And, are they not sworn enemies for the last few centuries? That may be a deciding factor in Saudi permission.
CrackerJax
New Member
No, it is not a deciding factor. Saudi Arabia adeptly realizes a nuclear Iran will make the entire region (including Europe I might add) unsafe. One need only realize that Israel has been forbidden this airspace in the past to know your premise is false.
Add to this the entirely NOOBISH mistake Obama just made with the Russians linking offensive missile tech (where we are equal) to defensive missiles (where we are far far ahead) and it becomes an ever more growing threat.
Add to this the entirely NOOBISH mistake Obama just made with the Russians linking offensive missile tech (where we are equal) to defensive missiles (where we are far far ahead) and it becomes an ever more growing threat.
ViRedd
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Yeppers, we can always count on the Democrat Party's expertise on foreign policy to "clean up the messes."
Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter did a superb job. And now what ... Obama bowing down to Saudi kings, diluting the worth of our money and depleting our nuclear advantage?
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CrackerJax
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Nixon cleaned up Johnson.
Reagan cleaned up Carter.
Bush cleaned up Clinton.
I feel sorry for the next republican president...............
Reagan cleaned up Carter.
Bush cleaned up Clinton.
I feel sorry for the next republican president...............
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PadawanBater
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Slap yourself for this post CJ!
Can you not see that this is a game?
Illusions designed to make people think there is some sort of choice.
CrackerJax
New Member
Paddy, it's very clear since I have actually paid attention that the dem's are SOFT on national security and backing up resolutions. This was not always the case and the modern dem's are a faded replacement of the old guard.
This weakness leads to foreign policy decay and it usually blows up at some point. 9/11 is the latest travesty wich unfortunately proves my point.
The dem's have never recovered from Vietnam. They just haven't....
This weakness leads to foreign policy decay and it usually blows up at some point. 9/11 is the latest travesty wich unfortunately proves my point.
The dem's have never recovered from Vietnam. They just haven't....
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PadawanBater
Guest
Man, will you ever get past the right/left, dem/rep dichotomy?
The majority of our government fails at their job, regardless of political stance.
They play you guys like piano's. Wake the fuck up already.
CrackerJax
New Member
I don't get hung up on parties, but I can put history into context. A pattern emerges with the second half of the 20th century Democrats which leads me to believe that they endanger us as a country. I can sympathize greatly with what they are trying to achieve, but the way they get there is abhorrently wrong.
The days of a strong national security political party is over for the dem's it seems..... I just hope we can survive the next strike which the bowling pins are being set up right now for. This is not a time to combine economic and military weakness.
The days of a strong national security political party is over for the dem's it seems..... I just hope we can survive the next strike which the bowling pins are being set up right now for. This is not a time to combine economic and military weakness.