Intelligent design

CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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I naturally assumed (my mistake, apologies) that since the thread was on intelligent design, your postings led me to believe your thought it was a reasonable alternative to evolution.

is Evolution the end all of our explanation... yes....so far. that's the wonderful mechanism of science....if something new and provable to at least a "scientific theory", it will replace the old model.

if only this could be applied to politics :mrgreen:

using fossil records to prove evolution is incomplete in itself merely because of the statistically minimal fossils available. Not every animal or plant which has lived leaves a fossil to be discovered. However, combining what we do know in fossils coupled with DNA studies does suggest and reassure the evolutionary theory each and every year. No theory has been TESTED to the degree that evolution has...and it remains today. that does mean something....a strong theory.


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TheBrutalTruth

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CrackerJax said:
I naturally assumed (my mistake, apologies) that since the thread was on intelligent design, your postings led me to believe your thought it was a reasonable alternative to evolution.

is Evolution the end all of our explanation... yes....so far. that's the wonderful mechanism of science....if something new and provable to at least a "scientific theory", it will replace the old model.

if only this could be applied to politics :mrgreen:

using fossil records to prove evolution is incomplete in itself merely because of the statistically minimal fossils available. Not every animal or plant which has lived leaves a fossil to be discovered. However, combining what we do know in fossils coupled with DNA studies does suggest and reassure the evolutionary theory each and every year. No theory has been TESTED to the degree that evolution has...and it remains today. that does mean something....a strong theory.


out. :blsmoke:
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Sorry, didn't mean to land on you that hard. Seems like despite my repeated statements to the contrary everyone just assumes that I believe in ID, because I'm demanding proof of evolution, besides more theories.


Though yeah, too bad there's not a way to get a new political theory. I think Anarcho-Capitalism might be interesting to try.

Or maybe a model where government has to compete in the free market to earn its funding (produce goods or service.)
 
CrackerJax

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right? How about figuring out that socialism & communism eventually run out of other peoples money, and dropping it like a hot potato .. NOT!
 
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Maybe instead of trying to figure out what happened at the beginning of time, because none of us were there, we should stop and look at where we are right now. What truly matters to you when all of the indoctrinated propaganda is pushed aside? For me it would be the love I have for my family. What ultimately brings you joy? For me it would be helping others. What really brings about frustration and anger? For me it would be when I get caught up in trying to do for myself and other peoples needs or desires get in the way. I know that I get caught up in flying through life at a hundred miles an hour chasing what I think I want but then frustrated that I keep winding up unfulfilled. My life was an absolute disaster until I spent over a year studying through the Bible and honestly giving it a chance. I don't know where dinosaurs went or have the answer to many of the questions we all have. What I do know is my life has purpose, I am here for a reason, and when I look around I find it imposable to believe that the things I have experienced and have seen, from gravity to jelly fish is not from a realm beyond my understanding. Belief in evolution requires faith too but that has not brought me anything, faith in creation has brought me a life worth living.
 
medicineman

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IheartKeif said:
Maybe instead of trying to figure out what happened at the beginning of time, because none of us were there, we should stop and look at where we are right now. What truly matters to you when all of the indoctrinated propaganda is pushed aside? For me it would be the love I have for my family. What ultimately brings you joy? For me it would be helping others. What really brings about frustration and anger? For me it would be when I get caught up in trying to do for myself and other peoples needs or desires get in the way. I know that I get caught up in flying through life at a hundred miles an hour chasing what I think I want but then frustrated that I keep winding up unfulfilled. My life was an absolute disaster until I spent over a year studying through the Bible and honestly giving it a chance. I don't know where dinosaurs went or have the answer to many of the questions we all have. What I do know is my life has purpose, I am here for a reason, and when I look around I find it imposable to believe that the things I have experienced and have seen, from gravity to jelly fish is not from a realm beyond my understanding. Belief in evolution requires faith too but that has not brought me anything, faith in creation has brought me a life worth living.
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Exactly; One can analyze a beautiful sunset, and describe it in scientific terms, but science cannot explain beauty. Science cannot explain love. When looking to science for all the answers, one comes up short. Science has it's place in describing things and actions, but it cannot fulfill the desires of the human heart, the human soul. In fact the way I see science, it totally does not believe in the soul of man. Therefore, I dispute the theory of evolution of man based on that and a few other Items, like when did the DNA make that change. Evolution of plants and animals, I have no quarrel with. I believe somewhere around 6,000 years ago, Man was introduced upon this planet by someone or something with far superior intelligence, hence, Intelligent design.
 
Jointsmith

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Sorry, didn't mean to land on you that hard. Seems like despite my repeated statements to the contrary everyone just assumes that I believe in ID, because I'm demanding proof of evolution, besides more theories.


Though yeah, too bad there's not a way to get a new political theory. I think Anarcho-Capitalism might be interesting to try.

Or maybe a model where government has to compete in the free market to earn its funding (produce goods or service.)
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What would constitute Proof of evolution? or Proof of intellegent design for that matter?

As with ANYTHING, one needs to choose what to believe based on the Evidence available.

I totally agree with your last statement, but furthermore I believe that being a politician should voluntary (there should be NO financial incentive to stay in power).

Also it should be MUCH more temporary (i.e. for as long as you are needed by the people) people shouldn't have a set period of time to be 'in power'.

Also the government should be more interactive. Soon we're going to get to the point where near enough Everyone can use/has access to the internet, imagine a system of governance, where ANYONE WHO CARES can contribute, (realtime), to the decisions that affect them.

Sorry for the tangent, Evolution of Species is kind of a dead issue, Evolution of OUR Species I find far more interesting.
 
TheBrutalTruth

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Jointsmith said:
What would constitute Proof of evolution? or Proof of intellegent design for that matter?

As with ANYTHING, one needs to choose what to believe based on the Evidence available.

I totally agree with your last statement, but furthermore I believe that being a politician should voluntary (there should be NO financial incentive to stay in power).

Also it should be MUCH more temporary (i.e. for as long as you are needed by the people) people shouldn't have a set period of time to be 'in power'.

Also the government should be more interactive. Soon we're going to get to the point where near enough Everyone can use/has access to the internet, imagine a system of governance, where ANYONE WHO CARES can contribute, (realtime), to the decisions that affect them.

Sorry for the tangent, Evolution of Species is kind of a dead issue, Evolution of OUR Species I find far more interesting.
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Documentation, if it isn't written down, it didn't happen, and since nothing from pre-history is written down, it can not be proven to have happened.

Oh, we have plenty of theories about what may have happened, but they are just that, theories about what may have happened.
 
CrackerJax

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There is quite a difference between scientific 'theory" and laymans "theory". Some of these posts is indicative that this lesson has not been learned.

Does believing in mythical creatures make someone cope...certainly, in the very same way that placebo's work on patients, but it has nothing to do with religion. Religion is not the source, but the by product.

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medicineman

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CrackerJax said:
There is quite a difference between scientific 'theory" and laymans "theory". Some of these posts is indicative that this lesson has not been learned.

Does believing in mythical creatures make someone cope...certainly, in the very same way that placebo's work on patients, but it has nothing to do with religion. Religion is not the source, but the by product.

out. :blsmoke:
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Putting the creator into the mythical class is the sure sign of an atheist. I wish you well when your "soul" departs this earth. Oh that's right, you may not believe in the soul. well, that may be a double whammy. One thing for sure, you'll find out when you take that last breath, either there is something after this life or as athiests believe, it's fade to black. I'm sort of a dreamer, and find it comforting to believe in this "Myth".
 
Jointsmith

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Documentation, if it isn't written down, it didn't happen, and since nothing from pre-history is written down, it can not be proven to have happened.

Oh, we have plenty of theories about what may have happened, but they are just that, theories about what may have happened.
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Don't be stupid. Something being written down doesn't prove it happened, it is just another form of evidence.

There is no such thing as PROOF, unless you're talking in terms of mathematics, so all we can do is experience the evidence and let our minds (parts of which still a mystery) make its decision.

As I said, this is a dead issue.

Evolution IS intellegent design
 
bunghole

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medicineman said:
Putting the creator into the mythical class is the sure sign of an atheist. I wish you well when your "soul" departs this earth. Oh that's right, you may not believe in the soul. well, that may be a double whammy. One thing for sure, you'll find out when you take that last breath, either there is something after this life or as athiests believe, it's fade to black. I'm sort of a dreamer, and find it comforting to believe in this "Myth".
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Stay comfortable then!

I prefer to make the most of the time I have here.
 
CrackerJax

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medicineman said:
Putting the creator into the mythical class is the sure sign of an atheist. I wish you well when your "soul" departs this earth. Oh that's right, you may not believe in the soul. well, that may be a double whammy. One thing for sure, you'll find out when you take that last breath, either there is something after this life or as athiests believe, it's fade to black. I'm sort of a dreamer, and find it comforting to believe in this "Myth".
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I'm sorry...what soul? Evidence please? :lol:

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with wishing.... just don't make it a requirement that people who wish to explore the universe with an objective keel can do so without interference. Both Christianity and Muslim religions fail at this miserably. No, no cults for me tyvm.

Simply put, I totally accept that I have no soul and there is no afterlife for me. By admitting that to myself, it makes me truly free and a true grown up.

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Stoney McFried

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The fact is, I DO find fossils.So does that mean that a bunch of scientists came and placed little plaster models all over the world?How come noone wants to answer where god came from?For someone who says he doesn't believe in ID either, you sure do argue vehemently for it.
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Right Stoney, I'm assuming that you routinely find complete fossils of higher order vertebrates every day. Perhaps they come out of the ground for you, complete and 100% pre-assembled.
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NewGrowth

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Stoney McFried said:
The fact is, I DO find fossils.So does that mean that a bunch of scientists came and placed little plaster models all over the world?How come noone wants to answer where god came from?For someone who says he doesn't believe in ID either, you sure do argue vehemently for it.
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Its funny how irrational beliefs go hand in hand with irrational politics:bigjoint:
 
misshestermoffitt

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About 10 minutes ago I took a piss. I didn't write it down, but it happened anyway. Can you prove I didn't pee?

It's not a theory that I took a piss, I actually did it. It's not that it may have happened, it actually did happen.




TheBrutalTruth said:
Documentation, if it isn't written down, it didn't happen, and since nothing from pre-history is written down, it can not be proven to have happened.

Oh, we have plenty of theories about what may have happened, but they are just that, theories about what may have happened.
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Now that being said, TBT, where did "god" come from? Who created "god". If someone created "god" who created the guy who created "god" Then who created the guy, who created the guy, who created "god" ?

I want the proof, the whole proof and nothing but the proof.

There is plenty of evidence of evolution, plenty of skeltons and fossils have been found. Now where are those stone tablets with the 10 commandments etched into them? I would think stone would have lasted until today since animal bones can last longer than 6000 years.......:mrgreen:
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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NewGrowth said:
Its funny how irrational beliefs go hand in hand with irrational politics:bigjoint:
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So how come you don't agree with my politics... :mrgreen: Honestly, I think we disagree on the economic side of politics....on social issues we are pretty close I'll bet. We just disagree on how to get there....



Yes, Kant the noodly appendage WILL touch you just as likely as G*D will... :lol:


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misshestermoffitt

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At least Kant ventured a guess. Those God people just ignored it. It's easy to demand proof of evolution, but when someone want's their proof in the pudding, just blow it off.
 
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