k0rps
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Can you explain
Injustice in Palestine
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k0rps
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BudmanTX
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Yep the same, propaganda, it is sad what's going on, but until both reach and agreement... what are we gonna do...smh..
The beginning is throughout this thread....this is what it is today....
printer
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Social media countries do not care about Israel and the Palestinians. Why are they removing content? Because if they did not they would be called up by Senators in the US asking why they allow the content from the ME but stifle it in the US. Please think things through before you post.
Sativied
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The only way this conflict will end is a determining definitive win from one side. Which would have happened by now if the rest of the world wouldn’t drag this on forever. Many if not most of us would have been in a far shittier place if during the history of our countries’ development the rest of the world would have interfered in every war and said “stop fighting”. Not fighting isn’t a guarantee for a long lasting peace in this conflict. A definitive win is. Imagine if Spain would have sided with the Brits instead of the French and the American colonies... we’d all be speaking German. Think about it. 
Oh you must be from a Berenstein Bears timeline.
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TacoMac
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No. They wouldn't. That's been done to death.
Why do you think over 130 nations recognize Palestine as it's own State but the only people that don't are Western Europe, Israel and the United States, Mexico and Canada?
hanimmal
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Id like to toss out there that I am not sure this is correct.
I think it would be more accurate to describe it as anti-Isreali propaganda.
I think it is subtle, but important difference, because it is easier to troll than it is to lift up. And a bad actor doesn't have to support Hamas to want to use them to cause made for TV drama using these poor people as a backdrop. Iran/Russia/Netanyahu/MBS/Republicans etc all gain far more for this than the Palestinians.
k0rps
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The Israeli side of things..
In 1994 the Knesset amended two basic laws, Human Dignity and Liberty and Freedom of Occupation, introducing (among other changes) a statement saying "the fundamental human rights in Israel will be honored (...) in the spirit of the principles included in the declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel."
1992
Declares basic human rights in Israel are based on the recognition of the value of man, the sanctity of his life and the fact that he is free. Defines human freedom as right to leave and enter the country, privacy (including speech, writings, and notes), intimacy, and protection from unlawful searches of one's person or property. Any violation of this right shall be "by a law befitting the values of the State of Israel, enacted for a proper purpose, and to an extent no greater than is required". This law also includes instruction regarding its own permanence and protection from changes by means of emergency regulations.
1994
Guarantees every Israel national or resident's "right to engage in any occupation, profession or trade". Any violation of this right shall be "by a law befitting the values of the State of Israel, enacted for a proper purpose, and to an extent no greater than is required". This law also includes instruction regarding its own permanence and protection from changes by means of emergency regulations.
2014
Establishes that if the Israeli government adopts a decision or signs an agreement stipulating that the laws, jurisdiction, and administrative authority of the State of Israel will no longer apply to a certain geographical area, such agreement or decision must either be adopted via a treaty approved by 80 MKs, or by an absolute majority vote in a referendum.[14] This means that Israeli sovereign territory (East Jerusalem, Golan Heights and any land within the 1949 armistice lines), under Israeli law, can only be relinquished either through a treaty approved by over 80 MKs, in which case a referendum is not necessary, or before a treaty is valid, it must be approved by an absolute majority vote in a referendum.[15]
2018
Defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people.[16] The Nation-State Law also asserts that the Jewish people have the unique claim to national self-determination in the State of Israel, defines Hebrew as the official language of the state, and gives Arabic a special status in the state. It additionally defines the national symbols, holidays, and calendar of the state.[17]
Basic Laws of Israel - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
k0rps
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Not sure how speaking out upon the injustices in Palestine can make you think it's Anti-Israeli, this was not my intention.
Please, if you have anything to add from the Israeli's POV or disclaiming the atrocities that are happening in Palestine, you are welcome to share.
Please, if you have anything to add from the Israeli's POV or disclaiming the atrocities that are happening in Palestine, you are welcome to share.
hanimmal
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I don't think Ive seen anyone here are disagreeing with Israel/Netanyahu acting like dicks.
Im not drawing any conclusions about you so no worries on my end. I wish everyone the best and like to try to keep myself from just assuming everyone is a troll, while simultaneously understanding that it is just as likely that they are one.
This guy is talking about how they are mostly seeing mostly a 'large decrease in engagement/reach'.
This is the same scam that right wing trolls use to say they are being silenced.
I am of the opinion that almost all accounts you don't personally know are people are just as likely to be a sock puppet troll account.
So if Twitter for example sees a person who posted a very real and very powerful video, and it gets picked up by these sock puppet trolls and spammed around the internet in a way to amplify that particular video in a way to entice more violence. By say sending it to very vulnerable people who the trolls know are on the verge of being willing to go do violence against very real injustices.
Doesn't it make sense that Twitter would then stop this propaganda (which just so happens turns out to be reality) from being inorganically spread?
BudmanTX
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yeah i can see this
hanimmal
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Actually I think I may have been a bit lazy on this.
I think more it is propaganda using the very real strong emotions wrapped into the violent acts occurring right now and using it as a way to tie those emotions into some kind of conspiracy about 'cancel culture' to people who are then easily nudged with more anti-Israeli/Hamas rabbit holes. At least the video in the above post I made.
Everything that they are discussing as 'anti-free speech for Palestinians' that they are claiming as evidence could easily be mostly militarized trolls trying to enrage these very vulnerable people through their 'friends' getting deleted.
It is possible too that it is really happening, but they are giving a lot of opinion of reasons behind the censorship that they are seeing. But because the emotions about the content is so hot it is impossible to not get drawn into it as suppression because they are seeing it, but not necessarily from the tech companies outside of actually trying to stop the people from being attacked.
If that makes any sense. Basically the same 'cancel culture' troll that the Republicans are also trying to ride the wave of. Lots of butthurt going around.
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BudmanTX
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There is, have to agree with you on that. Today i decided to go a little further look....so i went over to some Arabic News web sites to see what they have......
Israel-Palestine conflict | Today's latest from Al Jazeera
Aljazeera.....supposedly they're news facililty got hit.....
alarabiya...news outlet......
they are completely different than our usual news feeds on this.....
CNN
Israeli jets pound Gaza as rocket fire resumes and Palestinians hit streets to protest
Israeli warplanes continued to pound Gaza on Tuesday and rocket fire into Israel resumed after a brief lull, as Palestinian protesters hit the streets in cities across the West Bank and elsewhere.
www.cnn.com
and of course the Federalist News Network
Israel-Gaza conflict continues to intensify; rockets reported from Lebanon
After more than a week of fighting, appeals by major powers for calm and a growing number of casualties, the conflict between Israel and Hamas continued to intensify Tuesday amid reports of rockets also being launched from Lebanon.
looks like each one is feeding they're base........one way or another....
Fogdog
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Reporting on Israeli jets bombing city buildings to rubble and civilian deaths is propaganda?
We are talking about an actual current event, not some made up or something from a hundred years ago.
The people of Gaza are prevented from leaving and Israel has a tight blockade that prevents aid from getting to the people living there. It was a humanitarian disaster before Israel started bombing. Is it propaganda to point that out?
BudmanTX
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you know ladies and gents...think i might have found the root cause of this.....then again i could be wrong....
this is an excerp of the CNN story....
Egypt and Qatar's efforts to broker a truce have stalled over two main points, a senior Hamas leader with direct knowledge of mediation efforts told CNN on Sunday.
One stumbling block is Israel's insistence that Hamas must initiate the ceasefire, at least three hours before Israel, at which point Israel would follow. Hamas flatly rejected this proposal, the Hamas leader said.
The Hamas source said the other hurdle is Hamas' insistence that any ceasefire must include the ending of Israel's "provocations" at the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem -- the third holiest site in Islam -- and a resolution of the situation in Sheikh Jarrah, an East Jerusalem neighborhood where several Palestinian families face eviction.
A pro-Jewish settler organization called Nahalat Shimon is using a 1970 law to argue the owners of the land in question before 1948 were Jewish families, and so the current Palestinian landowners should be evicted and their properties given to Israeli Jews.
Palestinians say restitution laws in Israel are unfair because they have no legal means to reclaim property they lost to Jewish families in the late 1940s in what became the state of Israel.
possible this is how all this got started in the first place???
this is an excerp of the CNN story....
Egypt and Qatar's efforts to broker a truce have stalled over two main points, a senior Hamas leader with direct knowledge of mediation efforts told CNN on Sunday.
One stumbling block is Israel's insistence that Hamas must initiate the ceasefire, at least three hours before Israel, at which point Israel would follow. Hamas flatly rejected this proposal, the Hamas leader said.
The Hamas source said the other hurdle is Hamas' insistence that any ceasefire must include the ending of Israel's "provocations" at the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem -- the third holiest site in Islam -- and a resolution of the situation in Sheikh Jarrah, an East Jerusalem neighborhood where several Palestinian families face eviction.
A pro-Jewish settler organization called Nahalat Shimon is using a 1970 law to argue the owners of the land in question before 1948 were Jewish families, and so the current Palestinian landowners should be evicted and their properties given to Israeli Jews.
Palestinians say restitution laws in Israel are unfair because they have no legal means to reclaim property they lost to Jewish families in the late 1940s in what became the state of Israel.
possible this is how all this got started in the first place???
TacoMac
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That's EXACTLY how it all got started.
The Jews came in, kicked all the Palestinians out of their homes and off their land and took it, just like the Nazis had done to them.
Now, at the time, they promised that Palestinians could file for resettlement and/or challenge the rulings but we all know how that worked out. The Israelis have done nothing since day one but take. Then they took more. Then they took even more. And they continue to this day to take.
hanimmal
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Which video are you talking about?
The one I am is what I responded to:
That is the troll that I am talking about, this is such a volatile subject that the content can create a false sense of what is being talked about.
Take out the actual horrible shit going on in Netanyahu's supression of these people, and rematch that video. It is the same discussion you see on Fox news about 'cancel culture'.
It bridges the gap and creates a conspiracy around the social media censorship vs the ability to use it to radicalize people into blowing up a building because of lizard people, and creates social landlines about issues that people would otherwise be able to agree about.
Fogdog
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Not trying to say it's the same and I'll agree up front that its a leading question and therefore a false argument. But I'll ask anyway.
Why is it that most people would agree a man should never hit a woman? No matter what she does, a man should never hit a woman. Why is that?
BudmanTX
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that's what i though........al jazeera has got a nice write up bout it too that i was just reading...