Injustice in Palestine

k0rps

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The video confirms what @Ouss0176 is saying..

1. After the Israel tightened its borders, this group had the idea to search for Israeli bombs & rockets in Gaza that didnt explode.
2. They found water pipe lines Israel was using to take water from Gaza, used that for casing.
3. Found a WWI British ship in the ocean, excavated metal to make tips of the rocket, made the rockets a lot stronger.

Its very ironic..
 

k0rps

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Video description:
The missile thrusts by the Qassam Brigades and their ability to confuse the military capacity of Israel have raised questions about how the brigades were able to build this military arsenal despite the blockade. The program "What is hidden is the greatest" had answered some of these questions in an investigation months ago, and the investigation revealed the most prominent stages it has gone through. In developing missiles over the years

Report: Mahmoud Elkan
 

k0rps

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There only two ways that 'you' can deal with them. You can either conquer them, and that's always an open possibility. Or you can deter them. Uh, and we are engaged right now in "forceful deterrence" but I have to say, we dont rule out anything.
-Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu
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k0rps

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Reuters story in print

May 20, 20215:30 AM PDT
Renewed violence over Gaza despite ceasefire moves gaining speed
Nidal Al-mughrabiJeffrey Heller

Diplomatic moves towards a ceasefire in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gathered pace on Thursday after U.S. President Joe Biden called for a de-escalation, but Israel kept up its bombardment of Gaza and Hamas rocket fire resumed after a pause.
A senior official in the Hamas militant group predicted a ceasefire within days. An Israeli minister said Israel would halt its offensive only when it had achieved its goals.
Rocket attacks on Israel stopped for eight hours on Thursday - the 11th day of hostilities - before resuming against communities near the Israel-Gaza border.
Israel continued its air strikes in Hamas-run Gaza, saying it wanted to deter the Islamist group from future confrontation after the current conflict halted.

Since the fighting began on May 10, health officials in Gaza say 230 Palestinians, including 65 children and 39 women, have been killed and more than 1,700 wounded in aerial bombardments.
Israeli authorities put the death toll to date at 12 in Israel, with 336 people treated for injuries in rocket attacks that have caused panic and sent people rushing into shelters.
Biden on Wednesday urged Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to seek a "de-escalation". An Egyptian security source said the sides had agreed in principle to a ceasefire but details needed to be worked out.
A Hamas political official, Moussa Abu Marzouk, said he believed the efforts to reach a ceasefire would succeed.

"I expect a ceasefire to be reached within a day or two, and the ceasefire will be on the basis of mutual agreement."
Asked on Israel's Kan public radio if a truce would begin on Friday, Intelligence Minister Eli Cohen said: "No. We are definitely seeing very significant international pressure... we will finish the operation when we decide we have attained our goals."
Qatar-based Al Jazeera television reported that U.N. Middle East peace envoy Tor Wennesland was meeting Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Qatar. A diplomatic source said Wennesland was in the Gulf nation as part of the U.N.'s "intensified efforts to restore calm in Gaza and Israel".
Israel carried out over a dozen air strikes on Gaza after midnight, targeting what it said was a weapons storage unit in the home of a Hamas official, and military infrastructure in the homes of other commanders from the group.

Hamas-run radio said a woman was killed and four children were wounded in one attack on the town of Khan Younis in southern Gaza. Witnesses said several main roads were also damaged in the air strikes.
In the Gaza City suburb of Sabra, Amira Esleem, 14, and three family members were wounded in one Israeli attack, which she said caused parts of their house to collapse.
"We were sitting on the sofa when a missile landed. There was heavy smoke and we couldn't see anything," she said from her hospital bed.
A Palestinian man looks out as the remains of a building, which was destroyed in Israeli air strikes, are reflected in a window, amid Israeli-Palestinian fighting, in Gaza, May 20, 2021. REUTERS/Mohammed Salem     TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Smoke rises following an Israeli air strike, amid Israeli-Palestinian fighting, in Gaza, May 20, 2021. REUTERS/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa

Palestinians gather at the site of Israeli air strikes, amid Israeli-Palestinian fighting, in Gaza, May 20, 2021. REUTERS/Mohammed Salem



Nearly 450 buildings in Gaza have been destroyed or badly damaged, including six hospitals and nine primary care health centres, the United Nations humanitarian agency has said. More than 52,000 people have fled their homes in Gaza, which is blockaded by Israel and Egypt.

Israelis living in areas frequently targeted by rocket fire began their workday on Thursday without the usual sound of warning sirens. But after an eight-hour break, the sirens blared again in southern Israel. No casualties or damage were reported.
Israel said some 4,000 rockets have been launched at it from Gaza, some falling short and others shot down by its Iron Dome air defences.
Civilians on both sides are exhausted by fear and grief, the International Committee of the Red Cross said. "People in Gaza and Israel urgently need respite from non-stop hostilities," said Fabrizio Carboni, regional director for the Middle East.
DIPLOMACY

Washington and several Middle East governments have sought an end to the violence through diplomacy. The United Nations General Assembly was due to meet on the conflict on Thursday with several foreign ministers taking part, but it was not expected to take action.
Any ceasefire is unlikely to address the fundamental issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
An international peace process aimed at creating a Palestinian state free of Israeli occupation and guaranteeing Israel's security has been frozen since 2014.

Hamas, regarded by the West as a terrorist organisation, has not been part of the mainstream Palestine Liberation Organization's engagement with Israel, which led to interim peace deals in the 1990s and the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the occupied West Bank.
The U.N. Human Rights Council said it will hold a special session on May 27 to address "the grave human rights situation" in the Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem.
Hamas began firing rockets on May 10 in retaliation for what it called Israeli rights abuses against Palestinians in Jerusalem during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
The rocket attacks followed Israeli police clashes with worshippers at al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem and efforts by Israeli settlers to evict Palestinians from a neighbourhood in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem.

The hostilities are the most serious between Hamas and Israel in years, and, in a departure from previous Gaza conflicts, have helped fuel street violence in Israeli cities between Jews and Arabs.
The conflict has also stoked violence in the West Bank, where Palestinian officials said at least 21 Palestinians have been killed in clashes with Israeli troops or other incidents since May 10.

 

hanimmal

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Reuters story in print
It sucks that even if the violence ends immediately, the suppression of these people is going to continue.

I really am out of my depth though with the actual day to day life here though. Is all 4.685 million Palestinians stuffed into a area about the same size as Detroit?

I get that Netanyahu is trying to keep power by using his military to essentially evict people to shrink what I think is essentially a open air prison. But I don't know what is just propaganda that I have tricked myself into thinking I knew.


You posted this map progression earlier.
How does the West bank figure into Palestine/Isreal conflict?
Is it just the people in Gaza that are being suppressed by Netanyahu's regime?

Is all the 4.685 million people in Palestine stuck in Gaza? I am sorry if this is ignorant, but I really have never focused in on understanding this region outside of seeing how it is used by trolls.
 

BudmanTX

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i love it, when people leave out the maps from the Crusades, Latin Kingdom, and pre WWI times.........when it comes to Palestine, it was alot larger than most people think.......love the history of the area......

i really don't agree with biblical times maps.....but that just me....

the 1947 map of the partition would have worked if it wasn't because of the Islamic Councel of the time rejecting it.......smh
 

hanimmal

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i love it, when people leave out the maps from the Crusades, Latin Kingdom, and pre WWI times.........when it comes to Palestine, it was alot larger than most people think.......love the history of the area......

i really don't agree with biblical times maps.....but that just me....

the 1947 map of the partition would have worked if it wasn't because of the Islamic Councel of the time rejecting it.......smh
Im so ignorant of the history of this region, it was just never really on my radar outside of knowing about it.

Im not sure if what I know is from reality or just random bits of information that I tricked myself into not realizing it is actually from some kind movie.


Man 2012 seems so long ago. It is hard for me to not look at what Rob Schneider is doing and not just wonder how that was only 8 years ago.
 

TacoMac

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If you want to get right down to it, the land never truly belonged to the Jews to begin with. They literally stole it by force.

There are settlements dating back to 8,000 BCE in Jericho. Widespread settlements date to the 7000 - 4000 BCE period and onward. The Jews (Israelites) didn't show up, wage war and steal the area until around 1,500 BCE. Of course, that didn't last very long as the Egyptians moved in. The rest, as they say, is history.

If time of occupation is anything to go by, the Palestinians have a roughly 5000 to 1 advantage.
 

k0rps

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It sucks that even if the violence ends immediately, the suppression of these people is going to continue.
It does suck and it needs to be changed. Idk how, other than Israeli releasing their grip on the Palestinians. Again, I'm not a political science major. But imho, it would be a major help to stop oppressing and allow Palestine their freedom without Israeli control.

I get that Netanyahu is trying to keep power by using his military to essentially evict people to shrink what I think is essentially a open air prison. But I don't know what is just propaganda that I have tricked myself into thinking I knew.
There is much non-biased reporting that may seem like propaganda because of it's incomprehensible nature but it's the truth. Below is a video about the annexation of the West Bank.

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Is it just the people in Gaza that are being suppressed by Netanyahu's regime?
No, the Palestinian people are being oppressed throughout the entire State of Israel and in neighboring countires.

Is all the 4.685 million people in Palestine stuck in Gaza? I am sorry if this is ignorant, but I really have never focused in on understanding this region outside of seeing how it is used by trolls.
Gaza is very packed but not 4.6 mil packed. Palestinians reside throughout Israel but majority are in Gaza and the West Bank.

When saying

"And as for your continual use of 'zionism' I call bullshit on that unless you use it in the broader context of all the right wing xenophobic nuts in power everywhere. People need to get over their differences."

it can be seen as a troll from another side. Wouldn't one think? Sure, all 'right-wing' extremists can be lumped together. But this is an actual group of people enforcing their laws upon another group of people. And it has its own name.

Zionism/Zionists clearly exist with a very real movement which has a main focus on the inclusion of the Jewish people as its number 1 priority. A true dic(k)tator ship, which the USA supports by public financial donations... It makes me wonder what goes on under the table.
 
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k0rps

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Red, blue, white, speaker for Israel:
The hostility thats coming from Israel’s speaker seems very disingenuous. He bring's up the time of the holocaust. Places blame on Hamas with visual language using trigger words. Keeps focus on "Hamas" and their missles. Says UN is requesting Israel to give a 'terrorist organization' a "free-pass". Says others are spreading deception and lies. "Propaganda campaign"
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Again bringing up nazi regime, "only a war between israel and hamas" "dead jews" these are trigger words designed to infect people


Every speaker so far, is asking for peace! For Israel to stop! And this dic(k) comes on, unapologetically renounces the people of Palestine as "Hamas"....


Fuxked up.
 

BudmanTX

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Red, blue, white, speaker for Israel:
The hostility thats coming from Israel’s speaker seems very disingenuous. He bring's up the time of the holocaust. Places blame on Hamas with visual language using trigger words. Keeps focus on "Hamas" and their missles. Says UN is requesting Israel to give a 'terrorist organization' a "free-pass". Says others are spreading deception and lies. "Propaganda campaign"
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Again bringing up nazi regime, "only a war between israel and hamas" "dead jews" these are trigger words designed to infect people


Every speaker so far, is asking for peace! For Israel to stop! And this dic(k) comes on, unapologetically renounces the people of Palestine as "Hamas"....


Fuxked up.
isn't it weird that they go after Hamas and Islamic Jihad......but they don't mention the PLO......
 

k0rps

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Dude, its like the "taliman" US was fighting for oil, I mean democracy in Afghan. Trigger word for an idea used to deflect any responsibility for the destruction caused by expanding upon their settlement and reign.
 

BudmanTX

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Dude, its like the "taliman" US was fighting for oil, I mean democracy in Afghan. Trigger word for an idea used to deflect any responsibility for the destruction caused by expanding upon their settlement and reign.
oil yes, but there is one other thing they were there for.......opium......90% of the opium comes out of Afghan, control that....well you get the picture
 

k0rps

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Well, last post is the main UN channel, which is currently airing the meeting with translation to English
 

hanimmal

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Zionism/Zionists clearly exist with a very real movement which has a main focus on the inclusion of the Jewish people as its number 1 priority.
I agree that the self isolation of any extremist movement clearly exists, but this like pretty much all the other '-isms' is just cherry picking mostly.


A true dic(k)tator ship, which the USA supports by public financial donations... It makes me wonder what goes on under the table.
Yeah whatever they got on our political leaders it must be good.

When saying

"And as for your continual use of 'zionism' I call bullshit on that unless you use it in the broader context of all the right wing xenophobic nuts in power everywhere. People need to get over their differences."

it can be seen as a troll from another side. Wouldn't one think? Sure, all 'right-wing' extremists can be lumped together. But this is an actual group of people enforcing their laws upon another group of people. And it has its own name.
We have our own racist agenda that 2017-2019 was in control here in America. Luckily we were able to vote them out in one term on the national level. Hopefully the people of Israel can vote out their right wing nuts and if what this guy was saying is the reality in your video, the Palestinians can vote in their leadership that is not dominated by one man's whims.

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No, the Palestinian people are being oppressed throughout the entire State of Israel and in neighboring countires.
Ok so very similar to the original people's here in North America.

There is much non-biased reporting that may seem like propaganda because of it's incomprehensible nature but it's the truth. Below is a video about the annexation of the West Bank.
Good video.
Dude, its like the "taliman" US was fighting for oil, I mean democracy in Afghan. Trigger word for an idea used to deflect any responsibility for the destruction caused by expanding upon their settlement and reign.
Im not sure if you mean the 'taliban' or 'oil' was the trigger word, but I completely agree that our government leaders did do that.

Sorry I kind of forgot what I wrote earlier on this post so sorry if it doesn't make sense or if a double post.
 
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