Inda Gro VPAR Induction Vertical Grow w/ Recycled Organic Living Soil

I was only explaining the science behind sunset and sunrise regarding plants. My opinion about these lights is they are a rip off. HPS is the best light to use. But this thread isn't about HPS vs whatever.

The frugal frog says:

You can stimulate sunrise and sunset using LED's to target specific wavelengths for a few dollars.

alcohol said:

I was only explaining the science behind sunset and sunrise regarding plants. My opinion about these lights is they are a rip off. HPS is the best light to use. You can stimulate sunrise and sunset using LED's to target specific wavelengths.

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Do you have a reason you feel these are a rip off?

2 1000w hps combo - $500 -$600 depending on hoods + fan and ducting $250 + bulbs for the next 10 years $1800 + 700 watts more of electricity cost for 10 years. In most places that would be $60 a month, $720 a year. Over the span of 10 years you will have spent over $6,000 more than me and produce lower quality.

I can cover a 10 x 5 - 12 x 5 and 2 1000w will cover an 8x4

So has anyone tried to get a little greedy with 14 or 15 on using the Emerson method?

[video=youtube_share;LIDxQ2JSZwY]http://youtu.be/LIDxQ2JSZwY[/video]

wow

My grow store sells 1000w HPS ballast for less than $90 and 1000w bulbs for 17.99. Your numbers are a little off.

But like I mentioned, my opinion doesn't matter. This isn't a thread about HPS vs whatever. I was only explaining what happens at sunset and sunrise.

Grow on.

Ps. I had to go back to see the pictures of the buds you posted (there weren't any).

I noticed you're using polyacrylamide for some damn reason? Why? Please enlighten me why a plant needs polyacrylamide. Please.

Acrylamide is a neurotoxin and while the polymerized form is not, there still is some amount of the neurotoxin in the polymerized form called polyacrylamide.

http://www.epa.gov/esd/bios/daughton/qoa(Jan-2010).pdf

Here it is in lamens terms: http://www.terracottem.com/eng/faq.php#3

Then you go on to say your flowers are higher quality? You haven't even finished a grow using this $700 light bulb and are feeding your plants a known human neurotoxin....

Sure buddy, you're shit will blast me off to outer space!

Your an odd one sir if you put time into researching polyacrylamide and came across nothing referencing its agriculture uses as a soil conditioner, and fyi it only breaks down into the non poly form through regular exposure to irregular environment ( extreme ph or temp). Why you giving him such a hard time bro? Oh and for the record most hydro growers use way more harmful stuff in their res in the name of a few extra g's...

alcohol said:

Ps. I had to go back to see the pictures of the buds you posted (there weren't any).

I noticed you're using polyacrylamide for some damn reason? Why? Please enlighten me why a plant needs polyacrylamide. Please.

Acrylamide is a neurotoxin and while the polymerized form is not, there still is some amount of the neurotoxin in the polymerized form called polyacrylamide.

http://www.epa.gov/esd/bios/daughton/qoa(Jan-2010).pdf

Here it is in lamens terms: http://www.terracottem.com/eng/faq.php#3

Then you go on to say your flowers are higher quality? You haven't even finished a grow using this $700 light bulb and are feeding your plants a known human neurotoxin....

Sure buddy, you're shit will blast me off to outer space!

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You give "alcohol" a bad name

First off hyroot JUST GOT THE INDUCTION panels so relax and wait till he's done a couple runs.

Second I have NEVER seen a $17.99 NEW 1000w hps bulb!! and your worried about trace amounts of neurotoxins but "used" hps bulbs containing mercury are no problem right?? hope your disposing of them correctly as well.

Third polyacrylamide IS NOT TOXIC according to the EPA, and has been used for decades in the horticultural industry, you should worry MORE about other usda approved food-crop fungicides/pesticides/herbicides that are currently applied on your veg/fruits/nuts, that you INGEST.

It's supposed % reduction in fert/water requirements are exaggerated IMO and are still up for debate if the benefits are worth the cost. I'll give you that

You post links that contradict yourself and make you look like a dumb-ass..........Hyrrot's been growing for years on here organically, and he has produced high quality buds under fluoros/hid from his pics..........it's all OPINIONATED anyways, were NOT smoking it together to know if true!! THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM you idiot.

why don't you pack it up TROLL and go back under the bridge you came from!!!.

Sorry for the rant hyroot..............grow on and be safe

Please point out where in either link that I posted that contradicts myself.

I know, I have an awesome local store. They sell promix bales for 19.99. Hortilux bulbs are 58 and ushio bulbs are 55. This is all for 1000w, BRAND NEW.They are pretty much putting everyone out of business.

Third, if you read my post i said polyacrylamide is NOT toxic. I said it is the monomer, acrylamide, that is toxic. There is acrylamide present in the polymerized form. The links i provided indicate that.

Grow on.

alcohol said:

Please point out where in either link that I posted that contradicts myself.

I know, I have an awesome local store. They sell promix bales for 19.99. Hortilux bulbs are 58 and ushio bulbs are 55. This is all for 1000w, BRAND NEW.They are pretty much putting everyone out of business.

Third, if you read my post i said polyacrylamide is NOT toxic. I said it is the monomer, acrylamide, that is toxic. There is acrylamide present in the polymerized form. The links i provided indicate that.

Grow on.

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reread your links..

thats a mag ballast for 90, i doubt the bulbs are really that price. You jumped from $17.99 - $55. even if the ballast and bulb are the price you say plus hood its still comes out to the price i said. At that price bulbs would be $1100 over 10 years. thats still over $5,000 more than I will spend including everything.

I have seen with other people what theses lights can do. with 660nm, 730nm, 630nm plus uv-a and uv -b chances are I will be getting some hash tips. Ive grown with hps, cmh, led, par t5 , cfl, and the sun and been doing for years and years. I can judge how well a plant is doing early on and can most likely predict the outcome when I have grown that strain before. 2 of my strains are ones that I bred.


I only used the esc treatment on 4 plants and it biodegrades in 60 days. polyacrlamids are in everyday drinking water , food, and cosmetics. In every study they are found to have no toxicity on humans. It's been used in soil conditioning for years. It's legal and used widely in California. Where, gravity, snowstorm, phosphoload, purple maxx, bush master and bio canna have been banned from California.

Continue to smoke your acrylamide laced herb.

Polyacrylamides for the most part are nontoxic. However, after polymerization these polymers can have a residue of acrylamide; a known peripheral nerve toxin (McMollister et al., 1965) that can range between 0.05 and 5.0% of the final product (Croll et al., 1974). Acrylamide (Fig. 1B) is highly water soluble and has been found to be absorbed by all routes of exposure (Windholz, 1989; Hashimoto and Aldridg, 1970; Druckery et al., 1953). Once absorbed, acryl

Where'd Shrek come from?! Thought Psu told you to go back under your bridge or where the wild things are. Please don't ruin a good informative Induction thread.

PSU, now that's funny.

I just posted this to the YT video:

While some will think them too expensive, it sure seems like the pontoons would rock and pay for themselves within 4 grows

PetFlora said:

PSU, now that's funny.

I just posted this to the YT video:

While some will think them too expensive, it sure seems like the pontoons would rock and pay for themselves within 4 grows

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I'm really liking these lights so far. I love how little the amount of heat they put out and the area coverage. I am impressed with the growth. Also this round there is zero pests and and no spectrum arrangement to dial in.. It took a few weeks last time. I have been watering with seed sprout enzyme teas v.2.0 more and compost teas less. But I have been topdressing with homemeade vermicompost instead of store bought compost and worm castings. Homemade is far better than store bought

Based on the side by sides I've seen, from a number of sources, adding a Pontoon to a cannabis garden show increases in quality and production putting ROI at 1 run or less.

True, I forgot that one of these will cover a ~ 4 x4 area, whereas I grow in 2 x 4

chazbolin said:

Based on the side by sides I've seen, from a number of sources, adding a Pontoon to a cannabis garden show increases in quality and production putting ROI at 1 run or less.

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PetFlora said:

True, I forgot that one of these will cover a ~ 4 x4 area, whereas I grow in 2 x 4

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I'm covering an 8 x 5 and will be spreading them out to a 11 x 5 next round. The 3 420's and both pontoons together put out less heat than 2 badboy t'5s

So could I get the same results with a halogen, or does it strictly have to be 730 nm?! Those pontoons are bad ass! I'm trying to get IG to work with me on a poor mans version. Just another idea I'm stealing from hyroot

RedCarpetMatches said:

So could I get the same results with a halogen, or does it strictly have to be 730 nm?! Those pontoons are bad ass! I'm trying to get IG to work with me on a poor mans version. Just another idea I'm stealing from hyroot

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Yes a halogen flood will do very well, in fact no "affordable" led even comes close..........I think supra? put up a chart on how effective it is at emitting far red.