improving the flavorand buzz of whatever strain

Clankie

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you ever try to mix soil silently? you ever have REALLY pesky neighbors that bring out the worst in you? there's a fine line between rocking the boat and tipping it over. ever had sneaky bitch snitch pieces of shit call the landlord in to make a bullshit excuse to invade your privacy in the middle of a grow? huh?!!! i've had my grows interrupted on bogus maintenance etc. calls SEVERAL times in the past 2 years not including 3 surprise inspections. it's VERY hard to grow under those kinds of conditions, and nerve wracking too.
Why do I get the feeling that you neighbors have a good reason to dislike you? And you can't keep your grow secret from your neighbors, you should just pack it in now and call it quits.
If you really want to improve flavor and buzz, just DONT SMOKE THEM UNTIL THEY ARE MATURE AND CURED!
Amen brother! Or at least mature. Or at least in full flowering. Or, better yet, go start your own forum for people who only want to smoke preflowers. Because nobody hear gives a Bush about your dumbass paranoid delusions of indica conspiracies and copy-pasted grow reports.
 

bluntmassa1

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you ever try to mix soil silently? you ever have REALLY pesky neighbors that bring out the worst in you? there's a fine line between rocking the boat and tipping it over. ever had sneaky bitch snitch pieces of shit call the landlord in to make a bullshit excuse to invade your privacy in the middle of a grow? huh?!!! i've had my grows interrupted on bogus maintenance etc. calls SEVERAL times in the past 2 years not including 3 surprise inspections. it's VERY hard to grow under those kinds of conditions, and nerve wracking too.

wow that sucks are you in an income based housing complex or something? the only person I know that had problems like that was in one of them places. I guess I'm lucky I rent a house and I've never had inspections or maintnance done.
 

Jogro

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EVERYTHING with weed is subjective. flavor, buzz, quality, price... you name it.
Not really.

Price might be negotiable in some cases, but its most definitely objective. The market determines prices, not individual taste.

Quality is somewhat subjective, but not entirely. Clearly some types of weed are better than others, and I think its pretty obvious when there are problems like improper cure, poor manicure, seeds, mold, and/or inadequate potency.

Potency is partially subjective, because different cannabinoid ratios and associated terpenes can give different effects irrespective of their absolute levels, but standardized lab testing is available, at least in CA and CO where dispensaries are. Consequently, if you really need to, and don't mind paying for the privilege, it is not possible to do relatively good direct head-to-head comparisons of multiple strains to see how they compare absolutely in potency.
 

jojodancer10

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OK family.I was under the impression that we use a mh blue for veg.a hps for flowering. Andrew a 10000k mh at the end am I wrong.at this time I'm in week one of flowering my G13 pineapple express under a 1000Watt hps.
 

Clankie

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OK family.I was under the impression that we use a mh blue for veg.a hps for flowering. Andrew a 10000k mh at the end am I wrong.at this time I'm in week one of flowering my G13 pineapple express under a 1000Watt hps.
Oh, you're right. Crazy Grapes over there just thinks metal halides are better for flowering because he's never made it more than 1/2 way through flowering on any strains, if that. So obvs mh is going to be 'better' if your plants never even make it into full flower.
 

Clankie

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the FIRST rule of the streets = the fool with the biggest mouth is the biggest pussy
....irony...
See, the difference here is that I read all those articles you linked and walked away with "use supplemental lighting with HPS", which I already do, and "don't burn your plants" which is why I use a light mover on my 1000w, because I grow the kind of plants you only claim to like. For each of those, there are two hundred more touting the benefits of HPS in flowering, but even more importantly, I've used MH in flowering, and I have found that in comparison the buds are leafier, less full, and less appealing overall compared to HPS with or without supplemental. The knowledge that using supplemental lighting (usually UV) with your plants is beneficial is not remotely new, and it's comical of you to act like there is some kind of conspiracy to hide this. Instead of just regurgitating other peoples' words, why don't you try completing a grow for once in your life, and then once you have a couple under your belt maybe someone will listen to your verbal diarrhea. For now, you're just filling up an otherwise interesting board with the same old shit day after day.

And seriously, dude, I'm not gonna play your game, I'm just gonna play mine; where I let you talk, and you provide the laughs.
 

hazey grapes

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of course sodiums boost flowering. didn't you read me saying just that? are you really that stupid? flowering is ALL sodiums are good for. quantity and not quality... reason #2 most street weed sucks. if you knew ANYTHING about plant growth, you'd know there are SEVERAL specific wavelengths that are needed for various plant activities and not just red and blue. i don't remember where the graph i saw what spectrums are needed for what, but if you REALLY want to educate yourself more than talk trash, you can find the info.

FACT: ultraviolet helps THC production
FACT: sodiums don't do UV
FACT: infrared degrades THC
FACT: sodiums not only have higher outputs, but it's all at the low end of the spectrum.

the facts support my personal experience... halide grown weed tastes better.
 

str8sativa

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i bet my fruity booty 1.0 tastes better than just fruity. it should have clear grape notes. i chose my handle because of the grape taste of super cali haze under halides. i've ALWAYS been suspicious of sodiums back when virtually all growing was sea of green.

i grow because i despise stony stupifying afghani dominant SCHWAG. i would rather smoke mexican brick *cringe* masked with castor oil *cringe* than afghani any day. i'd grudgingly accept skunk #1, but where i come from, even THAT is a rarity.

whoa man why you hating on the towel heads? just cause there Muslims? not cool man so you dont like LA confidential
 

hazey grapes

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that's why my second 400w was a sodium. yes, you get both yield AND better pheno expression, plus more lumens as sodiums put more light out per watt. ALL sodiums are good for really though is flowering and yield. halides have red in their spectrum too, well generic white ones do anyways. i could care diddly about yield myself. i'm just trying to grow the best QUALITY i can. the quality of my original C99 compared to my bx was better under halide than sodium, the light grape notes got lost under sodium light and especially the stronger ones in super cali haze got lost in the cross between the two.

sodium tech is just a hold over from cash crapper mentality and another thing keeping quality off the streets. every shortcut you take for yield has a quality penalty, though breeders have done wonders to select better and better phenos than the dutch crap that everyone started out growing.

i'm more than happy to give up yield for better flavors and THC profiles. that haze x skunk i grew under my halide was the most potent bud i've ever smoked that i can put a name to in my entire life, excluding all OHKO indicas. "man, that was one potent nap i took!" :wall:

i've always believed what cervantes said about halides vs sodiums, the entire indoor grow revolution was almost PURELY about making money, and even today, you see many sad growers who only know two words... yield and potency. *sigh* greed is still corrupting weed which SHOULD just grow under the sun as god intended, but it's a threat to corporate illuminati satanists. THAT'S why sativas were eradicated. they felt their grip slipping when hippies started getting smarter, refusing to play their game, and fighting back. that's the real reason it's illegal, that, and protecting their various monopolies like alcohol, tobacco & pharmaceuticals. they know they can't make money off it if it were ever legalized AND many of their current customers would break their addictions.

greed must be eradicated. getting high and motivated is but one weapon against the new world order. fuck any bitch that wants to stand in the way of THE PEOPLE fighting back. we're all doing our little parts to sabotage the machine. knowledge is spreading, people are waking up one at a time and eventually... some fire and brimstone's gonna hit the fan.
 

cotchept

Active Member
yeah, you're a fucking crazy person. these are the following things I suggest you stop doing:

Growing - Because you obviously suck at it.
Giving out info - Because you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. you have yet to complete a single grow yet give out info about these strain as if you ever even smoked the mature buds let alone finished the grow. No one is taking your regurgitated ramblings seriously. Just give up.
Smoking - Cannabis is likely not for you since you're clearly emotionally unbalanced and it doesn't look to be helping. Perhaps you should look into some Prozac instead.
 

Capt. Stickyfingers

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of course sodiums boost flowering. didn't you read me saying just that? are you really that stupid? flowering is ALL sodiums are good for. quantity and not quality... reason #2 most street weed sucks. if you knew ANYTHING about plant growth, you'd know there are SEVERAL specific wavelengths that are needed for various plant activities and not just red and blue. i don't remember where the graph i saw what spectrums are needed for what, but if you REALLY want to educate yourself more than talk trash, you can find the info.

FACT: ultraviolet helps THC production
FACT: sodiums don't do UV
FACT: infrared degrades THC
FACT: sodiums not only have higher outputs, but it's all at the low end of the spectrum.

the facts support my personal experience... halide grown weed tastes better.
The range of uv is wide from 200nm-400nm. UVb is in the 290-315 range, and good luck finding a normal halide bulb that produces it. And how can you talk from experience when you lack it?
 

Clankie

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some ignorant jackassery
Caution: calling into question my knowledge about plants will result in tl;dr posts.

First off, I actually have taken a couple classes in horticulture and a couple classes in botany ata fairly well acclaimed school for the subjects. Secondly, if you read my post, you would have read that I use, and highly recommend using, supplemental lighting. Since you apparently do not understand what supplemental means, it means I use lighting in addition to my big daddy HPS to create a natural spectrum of light. Since you are linking to all these articles about natural light, I would expect you to realize that while the early season light is heavy in blues and yellows, the autumnal (or harvest) sun takes on more red and orange tones. The reason equatorial sativas may perform 'better' (subjectively) under Metal Halides is that there is substantially less spectrum differentiation in the equatorial regions as opposed to the subtropics. However, it is important to note that DJ Short (not DJ Shorts, as your hilarious post would indicate you think his name is) says that the best way to grow these sativas is in a gymnasium, with 5000W MH lights. This is simply not practical for most growers. What is practical for most growers is to use an HPS and a MH if they can handle the amps and heat, or to use an HPS and some bluer spectrum T5s, and maybe a UV spectrum lamp for short periods. Which leads me to my next point.

I am not arguing here really to prove a point, I am arguing because I love this plant. I love the medicinal effects, I love the beauty of the flowers and the symmetrical wonder of the leaves, and the evolutionary perfection that is its plant biology. In particular, I love sativas. They are kind of my thing. Before this whole medicinal thing I grew them exclusively, for years. So to see you post your pictures of mutilated, mistreated, abused plants, well, it sickens me. The fact that you would harvest them weeks or months early instead of pursuing odor control measures is offensive to the very nature of my being. If they were pets, animal control would take them away from you and the cops would throw your ass in jail for animal abuse. It would be one thing if you came in here begging and pleading for help and advice after treating your poor plants so dreadfully.

However, this is not the case. You post in every thread about the same misguided, repetitive, and frequently dangerously incorrect garbage; and you insult everyone with a different opinion. Not only should you not be growing, cannabis should have a restraining order against you. The only drug law the United States should have is one to prevent you from growing or talking about growing cannabis. The fact that you treat your plants so badly, flowering sativas in plastic cups and supposedly under HID lights, and then harvest them less than halfway through their natural grow cycle, completely invalidates any and all opinions you might have on taste, smell, potency, etc. I'd rather smoke mexican ditchweed than your mutilated babies.

You rant about afghanis and indicas almost nonstop, yet it is CBD and CBN, found in the largest quantities in these plants, that have the most valuable medicinal effects. For instance, did you know that CBD has been proven in multiple universities to slow and in some cases even stop cancer cell growth? Yet I have read you openly calling for the murder of people who grow the strains heaviest in these miraculous chemicals. Which, by the way, is pretty hypocritical behavior for someone who won't grow some of the best strains on the market due to violent nomenclature. So, in short, you are a plant-abusing, misinformed, bloviating, hypocritical, asshat. A liar and a fraud. And, as much as I might like to just let this one slide, I think it is important for other people to see just what kind of a jackass you are.
 

althor

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. the FIRST rule of the streets = the fool with the biggest mouth is the biggest pussy.
you have the biggest mouth here.... the more i read this thread the more i realize your a stupid nig thats growing in an apartment with a MH because you cant get an hps haha.

ya maybe a MH and HPS combo for flower would be better not just a MH thats retarded.

you clearly have not been getting real dank

Strike that. He uses a SHOP LIGHT...

Here is Hazey Grapes BEST GROW TO DATE....

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/523272-comparison-bunch-breeders-mostly-up-8.html
 
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