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Kanaplya

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This watts to grams mindset is just stupid. It does not apply to LEDs like it does to HPS. The quality of the LEDs in question and correct frequencies are a lot more important. If you think a watt to a gram is good yield you're wasting electricity. I've seen SOG grows yield over 4 pounds under 700W of LEDs, that's over 1800 grams for 700 watts. To say that 350 grams is not possible with 200W is just ridiculous. You clearly never grew with LEDs or used some Chinese knock-off.
 

Greengenes707

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This watts to grams mindset is just stupid. It does not apply to LEDs like it does to HPS. The quality of the LEDs in question and correct frequencies are a lot more important. If you think a watt to a gram is good yield you're wasting electricity. I've seen SOG grows yield over 4 pounds under 700W of LEDs, that's over 1800 grams for 700 watts. To say that 350 grams is not possible with 200W is just ridiculous. You clearly never grew with LEDs or used some Chinese knock-off.
You got some links or pics of that?
 

daveroller

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This watts to grams mindset is just stupid. It does not apply to LEDs like it does to HPS. The quality of the LEDs in question and correct frequencies are a lot more important. If you think a watt to a gram is good yield you're wasting electricity. I've seen SOG grows yield over 4 pounds under 700W of LEDs, that's over 1800 grams for 700 watts. To say that 350 grams is not possible with 200W is just ridiculous. You clearly never grew with LEDs or used some Chinese knock-off.
That sounds pretty awesome. I never heard of anyone getting that kind of yield from LEDs. Can you give us a link to a journal of one of those grows?
 

daveroller

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IMO, The Area 51 SGS-160.


I'd defer to Karma's advice on how they compare, but I'm using the SGS-160 and it's working GREAT for me! The link to my journal is in my signature if you want to see how nicely my plant's coming along. It's in the same size cabinet that you're talking about, too, 3' x 2' with about 4' of height.

My plant's only 2 weeks into flower so far. Here's a link to The Dawg's latest complete LED grow from seed to harvest, using the SGS-160: <here>
 

Abiqua

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I know Philips LED bulbs are quality but for me they are too expensive, anyone knows some other quality brand of LED bulbs and how about LED bulbs on Amazon, I've bought some LED products form Amazon, but I still want to know more about some good supplier for more LED bulbs in the future. I know Cree is good and I bought some LED bulbs form Lighting Ever, they are both good, any other nice brands ?
Leona....if you are in the states, you would be hard pressed to find quality bulbs cheaper than the 9.5Watt Cree or the 10.5w Phillips 3000k bulbs.

Home Depot recently just started offering the new funky Phillips bulbs and the new Cree 13watt versions.
So things may start coming down in price. The Cree's are $8 for the 2700k versions.
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You will have to watch for sales, closeouts and even local stores. I have seen just about everyplace that sold a lightbulb, they now are starting to at least sell Led bulbs.

Home depot had a black friday deal on a 4 pack of the Phillips bulbs for $25.

Ecosmart and TCP are two cheaper versions that are sold fairly commonly. I would say stay away for the most part. They heavily rely on plastic parts and the TCP bulbs I had, were molten lava hot, not good at all.
 

bicit

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I'm interested in building an LED lamp for flowering. However I am a bit stumped as to what to aim for as far as an overall spectrum. Does anyone have any links or other resources that could give me a general idea as to what to aim for? I have been having a hard time finding much information, so anything would be nice.
 

PSUAGRO.

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This watts to grams mindset is just stupid. It does not apply to LEDs like it does to HPS. The quality of the LEDs in question and correct frequencies are a lot more important. If you think a watt to a gram is good yield you're wasting electricity. I've seen SOG grows yield over 4 pounds under 700W of LEDs, that's over 1800 grams for 700 watts. To say that 350 grams is not possible with 200W is just ridiculous. You clearly never grew with LEDs or used some Chinese knock-off.
This ^^^ is the shit I despise on here, coming in with some very impressive #'s and NOTHING to show!!!! 1 gpw is SOOOOOO easy and everyone is doing it with leds right??? Lots of growers here say they get it, BUT that's NOT the case in ACTUAL & FINISHED GROWS. 350 grms dry with less than 200w of leds is extremely difficult, I don't have all the grows counted on here BUT this guy did all the calculations over at ICMAG

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=211911 LOOK at the fucking #'s !!!! , yeah VG is a great grower under any light source and can vouch for the results. Mr.x is questionable unfortunately(I'm not 100% on his grow, it may be tainted according to the spanish forums??) but his photographs alone are worth checking out that grow anyways. Lots of good growers on there with all diff type of leds BUT 99% failing to get over 1.5 gpw. We must be the greatest grower's around if getting under 1gpw sucks/doing something wrong/etc. on RIU. Time to wake up in here and stop spreading misinformation .

In the end it's all about putting up OR shutting the F@ck up...........got it???

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That is what some legitimate companies are doing to fulfill those needs.
You forgot about B/R/DR;-)
 

Scotch089

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You werent fuckin around were yah Psu? ha Im half way there... :wall:


@1.5gpw
-SGS-157w- 235.5g (2x3') (8.4 ounces) (39.25g/sq. ft.)
-XGS-190w(?)- 285g (3x3') (10.2 ounces) (~32g/sq ft.)
-AT200- 167w- 250.5g (2.5x3') (8.95 ounces) (33.4g/sq. ft.)

There it is guys! Go get em

g/kWh is where it's at any who.. I am in the process of developing a whole system formula..


RDRB, I am a major fan of DR and wonder why more panels don't have em... but mono blues can bite the curb! Hope you're staying warm brother!
 

PetFlora

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Shouldn't gpw/sft be changed to gpcf (cubic foot)?

sft doesn't account for

Grower A has a 2 cft plant

Grower B has a one cubic foot plant

Also, plants have vastly different nodal spacing, which could lead to more (or less) gp...

To me, neither has tangible comparative value
 

PetFlora

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I got ~ 500 gms WET under my 432w hot5. I think it can be matched with 200 QUALITY LED watts, but 350gms DRY- No F'n way


This ^^^ is the shit I despise on here, coming in with some very impressive #'s and NOTHING to show!!!! 1 gpw is SOOOOOO easy and everyone is doing it with leds right??? Lots of growers here say they get it, BUT that's NOT the case in ACTUAL & FINISHED GROWS. 350 grms dry with less than 200w of leds is extremely difficult, I don't have all the grows counted on here BUT this guy did all the calculations over at ICMAG

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=211911 LOOK at the fucking #'s !!!! , yeah VG is a great grower under any light source and can vouch for the results. Mr.x is questionable unfortunately(I'm not 100% on his grow, it may be tainted according to the spanish forums??) but his photographs alone are worth checking out that grow anyways. Lots of good growers on there with all diff type of leds BUT 99% failing to get over 1.5 gpw. We must be the greatest grower's around if getting under 1gpw sucks/doing something wrong/etc. on RIU. Time to wake up in here and stop spreading misinformation .

In the end it's all about putting up OR shutting the F@ck up...........got it???



You forgot about B/R/DR;-)
 

ellydee

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What's better, two Hans (the newer design) or one Area51 160? It will be a 24x36 grow area (48" height).
Hans would be best for your restricted height and also give you a larger footprint.
I own both the Hans (2, 65 watters) and Area 51 (4, SGS-160)
I think the warranty and the upgrade ability is better with the Area 51.
Also, my Hans panel shipment was opened/inspected by DHS/US Customs.
 

hyroot

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with gpw. the main factor is strain. I can grow and mk and an slh under same light with same veg time. The slh will produce 4-6 times more than what the mk pulls.. I grew a mainlined blueberry with 3 ft colas mainlined, got a zip. where a 2ft tall cbk topped once pulled 2 1/2 zips. same veg time same light... My method is weight average per plant per strain.. not gpw and not gpkwh. but if you are growing all the same strain thats an average yielder among all strains then gpw can apply.
 

PSUAGRO.

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You werent fuckin around were yah Psu? ha Im half way there... :wall:


@1.5gpw
-SGS-157w- 235.5g (2x3') (8.4 ounces) (39.25g/sq. ft.)
-XGS-190w(?)- 285g (3x3') (10.2 ounces) (~32g/sq ft.)
-AT200- 167w- 250.5g (2.5x3') (8.95 ounces) (33.4g/sq. ft.)

There it is guys! Go get em

g/kWh is where it's at any who.. I am in the process of developing a whole system formula..


RDRB, I am a major fan of DR and wonder why more panels don't have em... but mono blues can bite the curb! Hope you're staying warm brother!
I'm cranky today;-)......yeah GPW is FAR from ideal, but most growers use it so it's the only general/mass form of comparison unfortunately. All the lazy mofos and math haters are gonna keep using these crappy #'s . over 1.5 gpw is very hard to get and Hans never repeated that run over 13 grows!!! It's quite doable with light movers though...

Would you care to elaborate sir?
Blue/Red/Deep Red....... just like Hans panel V1 004.jpg cree xp-e & philips lumiled rebel emitters, Is this the best spectrum?? fuck no, but it works!

Oh that's right SUPPOSEDLY I've never used leds or maybe just cheap chinese shit panels with bad "frequencies", whatever the hell that means:P




with gpw. the main factor is strain. I can grow and mk and an slh under same light with same veg time. The slh will produce 4-6 times more than what the mk pulls.. I grew a mainlined blueberry with 3 ft colas mainlined, got a zip. where a 2ft tall cbk topped once pulled 2 1/2 zips. same veg time same light... My method is weight average per plant per strain.. not gpw and not gpkwh. but if you are growing all the same strain thats an average yielder among all strains then gpw can apply.
Your absolutely correct^^^^...........but that's all we have until people wise up
 

daveroller

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Everybody brags about how many grams or ounces they got from their plants when they harvest! So that's why gpw is so important to people. If you want to get technical about it, you could say you get so many grams of X per watt from a certain light, X being a particular strain used as a standard. There are differences in growing environments, too, but if someone uses an inferior system, that's their problem. I don't care about this anyway. If someone says they got 1.5 gpw, I'll have to check their journal to see grams of WHAT per watt it was. It has to be a decent strain that's suitable for my needs, not some low-potency ditch weed.
 

Shwagbag

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I ran two 350W DS XMLs for a 8'x4' area with better results than with 2 600W HPS for the same grow area.
This watts to grams mindset is just stupid. It does not apply to LEDs like it does to HPS. The quality of the LEDs in question and correct frequencies are a lot more important. If you think a watt to a gram is good yield you're wasting electricity. I've seen SOG grows yield over 4 pounds under 700W of LEDs, that's over 1800 grams for 700 watts. To say that 350 grams is not possible with 200W is just ridiculous. You clearly never grew with LEDs or used some Chinese knock-off.
You still could have saved money by buying a light rail. Show us, don't tell us. If I don't see it, it didn't happen. :lol:
 

The Dawg

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I'm cranky today;-)......yeah GPW is FAR from ideal, but most growers use it so it's the only general/mass form of comparison unfortunately. All the lazy mofos and math haters are gonna keep using these crappy #'s . over 1.5 gpw is very hard to get and Hans never repeated that run over 13 grows!!! It's quite doable with light movers though...



Blue/Red/Deep Red....... just like Hans panel V1 View attachment 2954295 cree xp-e & philips lumiled rebel emitters, Is this the best spectrum?? fuck no, but it works!

Oh that's right SUPPOSEDLY I've never used leds or maybe just cheap chinese shit panels with bad "frequencies", whatever the hell that means:P






Your absolutely correct^^^^...........but that's all we have until people wise up
Ok Mr.Smarty Pants.What's Your Idea Or Do You Have 1?I Know GPW Isnt The Ideal Way To JUDGE Our Growing Skills.But Todate Thats What We Go By.Im Also Including In My Next Harvest Is How Watts Per Square Foot I Used. :bigjoint:
 
Anybody have a discount code for area 51 led?
I was trying to p.m. eh but seems he can't receive any? I'm trying to order the sgs 160 today either that or the clw solarflare?
Any help led crew?
 
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