If the French can do it, why not us?

mooray

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I think it has something to do with our culture and/or foundation. With the US being the land of prosperity, people came here with income as a primary focus. In many other countries, quality of life is more important and it's a little harder for wealth and power to subvert justice. It could happen here though, it's just more difficult.
 

Frankly Dankly

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I think it has something to do with our culture and/or foundation. With the US being the land of prosperity, people came here with income as a primary focus. In many other countries, quality of life is more important and it's a little harder for wealth and power to subvert justice. It could happen here though, it's just more difficult.
Honestly, there’s been presidents needing impeachment that never got it because partisan politics, I doubt it will ever happen.
 

insomnia65

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This man Sarkozy will do his prison sentence at home I believe, the same chef the same wines can entertain people, do you really want Trump to get away with it like this sod has.
 

Rurumo

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French people aren't as stupid as Americans are, in general, and I don't mean biologically, I mean in terms of education. It comes down to the difference in how we fund our schools. In France, they have a national curriculum/standards and the amount spent per student is the same (and much higher than in the USA.)-Schools in France are funded by the federal government in Paris. The USA spends a different amount on each kid depending on where they live because most school funding comes from local property taxes. So you have a situation where, a public high school in one of the Silicon Valley towns, like say...Cupertino, will have a 99%+ graduation rate and 99%+ college admission rate. Compare that to an inner city public high school or a rural red state public high school, where some have a 25% graduation rate and 0% college admission rate. France at least makes an attempt at equality of opportunity. The USA does not. Ignorance and superficial patriotism go hand in hand in the USA to keep the 1% ruling class in power and perpetuating our Corporate Socialist economy that feeds off of working class Americans.
 

insomnia65

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I honestly don't get this, Sarkozy is in prison in his own home, enjoying all the benefits of that, don't we want Trump to get a much much harsher sentence.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I honestly don't get this, Sarkozy is in prison in his own home, enjoying all the benefits of that, don't we want Trump to get a much much harsher sentence.
Donald's crimes were of a different magnitude than Sarkozy's, he didn't attempt a coup and plot sedition. In America the punishment is more one size fits all and by the time Donald goes in they will stick a needle in his arse to vaccinate him from covid, the only reason he would serve his time at home. Donald has many enemies who want him removed and muzzled and he broke too many laws. There is a first for everything and Donald was also the first traitor to be POTUS, he created many precedents, this will be another. Donald won't be alone in going to prison, he will have lot's of company, thousands will go to prison for and along with him.
 
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Fogdog

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I honestly don't get this, Sarkozy is in prison in his own home, enjoying all the benefits of that, don't we want Trump to get a much much harsher sentence.
First priority is a conviction that prevents Trump from seeking an elected office. The second is to deprive him of any wealth gained from illegal activities. The third is to enforce tax laws ensure his family to pay their fair share in taxes plus interest and late fees as well as pay penalties if they are convicted of tax fraud. The fourth is to see that Trump serves time just like anybody else if he's convicted of crimes that warrant it.

So, yes, I want to see him treated according to his crimes and not who he is. But other more pressing issues need to be addressed.

Personally, I think his house of cards is going to collapse when the government starts to unravel the money laundering operation that funded Trump Inc. We saw was only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to his crimes. There is something very fishy about Trump's relationship with Erdogan, Turkey, Iran, Iranian oil money and their need to launder billions of dollars from illegal oil sales.
 

DaFreak

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French people aren't as stupid as Americans are, in general, and I don't mean biologically, I mean in terms of education. It comes down to the difference in how we fund our schools. In France, they have a national curriculum/standards and the amount spent per student is the same (and much higher than in the USA.)-Schools in France are funded by the federal government in Paris. The USA spends a different amount on each kid depending on where they live because most school funding comes from local property taxes. So you have a situation where, a public high school in one of the Silicon Valley towns, like say...Cupertino, will have a 99%+ graduation rate and 99%+ college admission rate. Compare that to an inner city public high school or a rural red state public high school, where some have a 25% graduation rate and 0% college admission rate. France at least makes an attempt at equality of opportunity. The USA does not. Ignorance and superficial patriotism go hand in hand in the USA to keep the 1% ruling class in power and perpetuating our Corporate Socialist economy that feeds off of working class Americans.
I don't find Americans any dumber than anywhere else, just most dumb people in the world don't have any the combined power of the dumb people in America. And are you sure about education? I thought America out spent all other countries. Did France over take America?
 

radiant Rudy

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French people aren't as stupid as Americans are, in general, and I don't mean biologically, I mean in terms of education. It comes down to the difference in how we fund our schools. In France, they have a national curriculum/standards and the amount spent per student is the same (and much higher than in the USA.)-Schools in France are funded by the federal government in Paris. The USA spends a different amount on each kid depending on where they live because most school funding comes from local property taxes. So you have a situation where, a public high school in one of the Silicon Valley towns, like say...Cupertino, will have a 99%+ graduation rate and 99%+ college admission rate. Compare that to an inner city public high school or a rural red state public high school, where some have a 25% graduation rate and 0% college admission rate. France at least makes an attempt at equality of opportunity. The USA does not. Ignorance and superficial patriotism go hand in hand in the USA to keep the 1% ruling class in power and perpetuating our Corporate Socialist economy that feeds off of working class Americans.
Im a big fan of Anand Giridharadas. He states that the upper socio economic class in usa spend about 70k per year purchasing direct education, other training and support per child while lower socio economic spend 2-3k mostly through public education. These investments help maintain a nearly impenetrable barrier to entry.
 

1212ham

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First priority is a conviction that prevents Trump from seeking an elected office. The second is to deprive him of any wealth gained from illegal activities. The third is to enforce tax laws ensure his family to pay their fair share in taxes plus interest and late fees as well as pay penalties if they are convicted of tax fraud. The fourth is to see that Trump serves time just like anybody else if he's convicted of crimes that warrant it.

So, yes, I want to see him treated according to his crimes and not who he is. But other more pressing issues need to be addressed.

Personally, I think his house of cards is going to collapse when the government starts to unravel the money laundering operation that funded Trump Inc. We saw was only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to his crimes. There is something very fishy about Trump's relationship with Erdogan, Turkey, Iran, Iranian oil money and their need to launder billions of dollars from illegal oil sales.
You forgot one, second priority is preventing Trump from receiving classified intelligence. Not that Trump was ever interested in intelligence. :lol:
 

insomnia65

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Donald's crimes were of a different magnitude than Sarkozy's, he didn't attempt a coup and plot sedition. In America the punishment is more one size fits all and by the time Donald goes in they will stick a needle in his arse to vaccinate him from covid, the only reason he would serve his time at home. Donald has many enemies who what him removed and muzzled and he broke too many laws. There is a first for everything and Donald was also the first traitor to be POTUS, he broke many precedents, this will be another. Donald won't be alone in going to prison, he will have lot's of company, thousands will go to prison for and along with him.
Agreed but people kind of compare them and say why don't we do the same to Trump, Trump deserves so much more is what I'm saying.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like Donald can go to jail, no worries about covid for him!
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Donald and Melania Trump received Covid vaccine at the White House in January - CNNPolitics

Donald and Melania Trump received Covid vaccine at the White House in January

(CNN)Former President Donald Trump and former first lady Melania Trump received the Covid-19 vaccine at the White House in January, a Trump adviser told CNN on Monday.

It was not immediately clear which vaccine or how many doses each had received.

The revelation comes after the former President urged his followers to get vaccinated for the virus during his speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday, telling the audience, "How unpainful that vaccine shot is, so everybody go get your shot." That encouragement marked a notable shift as Trump, during his time in office, had long dismissed the gravity of the virus and eschewed practices like social distancing and mask wearing.
CNN previously reported that a White House official had said in mid-December that Trump wouldn't be administered a coronavirus vaccine until it was recommended by the White House medical team.

The official said at the time that Trump was still receiving the benefits of the monoclonal antibody cocktail he was given during his recovery from Covid-19 earlier in the fall, when both he and the first lady had tested positive for the virus.
Trump's decision to quietly receive the vaccine, without public fanfare, contrasts sharply with his successor and predecessors. President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris were each vaccinated on live television in December, and former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton volunteered in December to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety.

Former President Jimmy Carter has also been inoculated against the virus.

During his CPAC speech, Trump, who oversaw the rapid development of coronavirus vaccines through the Operation Warp Speed task force, said his administration deserves much of the credit for the current pace of vaccinations in America and repeatedly referred to Covid-19 using a racist term. "Never let them forget this was us. We did this," he said of the vaccine development.

The former President's speechwriting team from his days at the White House had returned to duty to assist him in drafting his Sunday address to the conference, an adviser told CNN on Monday. Among those speechwriters was Trump's former top domestic policy adviser, Stephen Miller.

Trump's remarks on vaccine development ran counter to CNN reporting in January that Biden and his advisers weren't inheriting any coronavirus vaccine distribution plan from the Trump administration.

In the immediate hours following Biden being sworn into office on Wednesday, sources with direct knowledge of the new administration's Covid-related work told CNN one of the biggest shocks that the Biden team had to digest during the transition period was what they saw as a complete lack of a vaccine distribution strategy under Trump, even weeks after multiple vaccines were approved for use in the United States.
 
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