If Nature Is Efficient?

blonddie07 said:

says your bullshit anthropology teacher. We are not from apes. Just like if i were to say "no im not a Jew, i am a christian" Its a theory, not fact.

And in this case, its either to believe my ancestor used to be an ape, or Human.

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Actually.. it is a fact that we are related to other species in our biological family.. Humans did not come from any species of modern ape. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are descended from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. We are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.

rev3la7ion said:

Umm... Do I even need to point out the ignorance in the above statement?

Here it goes...

blah blah blah...

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You cant prove to me... or anybody that we came from apes...

you can only suggest. and hope they believe the theory

AlphaNoN said:

Actually.. it is a fact that we are related to other species in our biological family.. Humans did not come from apes. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are descended from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. We are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.

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U are stating wrong information here. IT IS NOT A FACT. theory of evolution is not a FACT. Why do u think its call A THEORY.

I didn't say evolution was a fact (though the biological process of evolution is indeed an observable fact), read my post again. I stated that it is a fact that we are related to the other ape species. This is an easily verifiable fact.

I'm not going to repost in detail, but you would benefit from a read on the subject matter of fact and scientific theorem: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

blonddie07 said:

You cant prove to me... or anybody that we came from apes...

you can only suggest. and hope they believe the theory

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This is exactly why we have ignorant people in the world. It's that statement right there. "You can't prove to me..."

We did already and science has too. What more do you need? Does it have to be written in a holy manuscript for you to believe anything?

It's already been proven. The fact that we're telling you what is fact doesn't really matter because I want to encourage you to actually look it up on your own before you decide it's false... But what you're doing right now is choosing to remain ignorant because of that statement, "you can't prove to me..."

If you're going to be a skeptic then I encourage it but being a skeptic is being skeptical of what you're being told/what you see until someone proves it. It's a fact we have evolved from ape-like species. Get over it.

rev3la7ion said:

This is exactly why we have ignorant people in the world. It's that statement right there. "You can't prove to me..."

We did already and science has too. What more do you need? Does it have to be written in a holy manuscript for you to believe anything?

It's already been proven. The fact that we're telling you what is fact doesn't really matter because I want to encourage you to actually look it up on your own before you decide it's false... But what you're doing right now is choosing to remain ignorant because of that statement, "you can't prove to me..."

If you're going to be a skeptic then I encourage it but being a skeptic is being skeptical of what you're being told/what you see until someone proves it. It's a fact we have evolved from ape-like species. Get over it.

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You keep goiong and going calling people ignorant. Your saying i know nothing of this matter.

You claim it is a fact.

IT IS NOT A FACT.

Just because you criticize me negatively doesn't mean your right. If you look at it your way, your the ignorant one that believes that we came from apes, and evolution is real.

I have done my research, it is NOT a fact. You claim its fact because this is what you choose to believe based on a scientific theory that was NEVER proven. No one can prove the existance of Humans. You can only assume because of the most logical explanation.

Which is, since we look like apes(skeletal), and our hominin background resembles close to an ape, and even our chromosmes ( if i remember correctly humans have 23 pairs and apes 22). This doesn't mean SHIT.

THere is no SOLID FACT. YOU KNOW this. and you are trying to defend yourself so you dont look like a complete moron.

Then you claim that i am a "skeptic" I am not. I believe what i choose, not believe til i have hard facts. I dont believe the origins of humans are from the apes.

Now you get over what you believe is a fact(and stop trying to force feed people), because you know its not. Dont try to mask your posts and argument with negative criticism, because it will always look like the next person is worse, instead do it with intellegence, and peacefulness.

Dont assume i am ignorant of all matters just because i dont accept the theories you accept and adore.

It is a fact that I AM A HUMAN, and it is a fact that there is gravity. Those are facts.

I dont believe in religion.
Im done here. I wont be reading anything else.


There was a quote on somones sig that said "dont argue with an idiot, because people listening(this case reading) cant tell the difference"

No one said you weren't human.. Humans are a species of ape.. Yes gravity is a fact, gravitational theory is simply an attempt to explain it, the same goes for evolution, we know it occurs, we can see evidence of it, and we have a theory of how/why it occurs, if that theory is wrong it will be revised but evolution will still remain a constant.

As for this:

I dont believe in religion.
Im done here. I wont be reading anything else.

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Sounds familiar.. Are you sure you aren't related?

blonddie07 said:

You keep goiong and going calling people ignorant. Your saying i know nothing of this matter.

You claim it is a fact.

IT IS NOT A FACT.

Just because you criticize me negatively doesn't mean your right. If you look at it your way, your the ignorant one that believes that we came from apes, and evolution is real.

I have done my research, it is NOT a fact. You claim its fact because this is what you choose to believe based on a scientific theory that was NEVER proven. No one can prove the existance of Humans. You can only assume because of the most logical explanation.

Which is, since we look like apes(skeletal), and our hominin background resembles close to an ape, and even our chromosmes ( if i remember correctly humans have 23 pairs and apes 22). This doesn't mean SHIT.

THere is no SOLID FACT. YOU KNOW this. and you are trying to defend yourself so you dont look like a complete moron.

Then you claim that i am a "skeptic" I am not. I believe what i choose, not believe til i have hard facts. I dont believe the origins of humans are from the apes.

Now you get over what you believe is a fact(and stop trying to force feed people), because you know its not. Dont try to mask your posts and argument with negative criticism, because it will always look like the next person is worse, instead do it with intellegence, and peacefulness.

Dont assume i am ignorant of all matters just because i dont accept the theories you accept and adore.

It is a fact that I AM A HUMAN, and it is a fact that there is gravity. Those are facts.

I dont believe in religion.
Im done here. I wont be reading anything else.


There was a quote on somones sig that said "dont argue with an idiot, because people listening(this case reading) cant tell the difference"

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**YAWN**

You're like that video of that Kid with chocolate smeared over her face denying that she ate the chocolate cake.

You can deny the EVIDENCE all you want, but it'll still be there to support the theory.

When you can show ANY EVIDENCE that can support ANY OTHER THEORY than maybe you should have a debate.

As it is, you look like a dolt.

Forget it... I'm tired of arguing with such an ignorant person... I'm also still waiting to hear what he thinks explains life as we know it today since he doesn't believe in evolution nor does he believe in any religion according to him.

Ok,ok, if we are not primates "aka" apes then what are we? Im curious to know what we are if we aren't apes that we share a HUGE percent of our genetic structure with then where did this wonderful race of super smart,non violent "insert sarcasm here",very primate appearing species come from?I mean we sure act a lot like monkeys not to be monkeys.

rev3la7ion said:

Forget it... I'm tired of arguing with such an ignorant person... I'm also still waiting to here what he thinks explains life as we know it today since he doesn't believe in evolution nor does he believe in any religion according to him.

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who me? well even if not, ill tell you what i think.

I have an unusual view of god and evolution. I beleive the world in general is much too complex to be random. But I think evolution makes sense too. so in my mind i dont see why they cant coexist. I never understood why people cant believe both. but i believe God planted the for life and created evolution as a mechanism to make it so adaptable to everything. it makes perfect sense to me. this give God both the role of creator and sustainer, a fairly unique view ( i think).

Also, please no buzzkills in this thread. its just for some lesuirly discussions. no need to get worked up, this is all just tokin talk

Seamaiden said:

We are part of nature, we are a natural occurrence. We are enormously successful, but until we match ants and termites, we're the new kids on the block.

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word. ...and i like your Ron Paul sig.

We wont match ants and termites. They'll last longer then we do. It's a statistical probability.

Nature is very efficient. It must produces MORE of whatever being is needed to survive, in order to ensure their survival. Humans have hijacked the process though. We are smart enough to save the lives of those dying (hooked up to a tube and breathing machine). And just dumb enough to think that that's a good thing.

We institute law to prevent people from killing each other in the streets. And then start for-profit wars in small, defenceless countries. Don't blame nature. She is hot with energy & lifeforce, but cool in disposition.

mjetta said:

who me? well even if not, ill tell you what i think.

I have an unusual view of god and evolution. I beleive the world in general is much too complex to be random. But I think evolution makes sense too. so in my mind i dont see why they cant coexist. I never understood why people cant believe both. but i believe God planted the for life and created evolution as a mechanism to make it so adaptable to everything. it makes perfect sense to me. this give God both the role of creator and sustainer, a fairly unique view ( i think).

Also, please no buzzkills in this thread. its just for some lesuirly discussions. no need to get worked up, this is all just tokin talk

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No no no. I wasn't directing that statement toward you. I was directing it at blonddie07... He's denying religious and scientific explanations of life so I was curious as to what his theory is...

But you have a point. They can coexist and I know many christians and other religious people who believe in evolution. Then again these are the more laid back religious people and don't take the bible as truth word for word...

I believe both A theory in which science may or may not back(our evolution from primitive apes etc..) doesnt mean God did not intend for it nor create the scenerio for it to happen.In my opinion we are all part of a much larger phenomeon then we can grasp such a phenom can really validate both beliefs. its really within the prided concept of humans that a common understanding cannot be reached. Biblical people feel God created all, indeed then God would intend for all to be created and in the process our very own evolution takes place. Hence, science can be applied to in theory because after all our ability to reason and analyze is a direct result of a brain, which too was a gift from God.

Ok well i know that an alien space craft from outside earth crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 and there has been many other crashes since then. This is a HUGE thing that the government has not told us.Everything we have learned now through science is circumvented. With that being said, knowing that a way smarter intelligence does exist,how can you even come to believe that what our government has been telling us, and all that we have learned about where we came from is actually true? If they're lying about this, then what aren't they lying about? Think about all those textbooks you read in school that were filled with the theory of evolution and all that. What if we didn't really evolve from apes? When you put aliens who came here from another planet into the equation, you start to think otherwise. So i wouldn't go calling Blondie a crazy man for believing what he believes. Instead of criticizing with ignorance, try to deny ignorance and expand your mind.




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Part 2, pages 14-25 (2.8 MB*)
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This 32-page manual shows the crafts as being disk-shaped, cigar-shaped, triangular or ice cream cone shaped. Entities are of two types - EBEs (extraterrestrial Biological Entities), both described in some detail. They're not known to terrestrial science. It says that security is of massive importance. One of the principal objectives is to keep the public in the dark, a primary focus of this document. In chapter 4, titled "Receiving and Handling", this document gives crating and uncrating instructions on where you send the parts, or the bodies, and other materials, how you protect the biological materials and the non-biological materials differently, and how you regularly do this on foreign soil - it has different packing instructions for foreign soil shipments from those of the Continental U.S. It provides instructions for good UFOB reporting - and UFOB was the label that was being used at that time by the Air Force. For a couple of years they used that label instead of UFO. The last page is very impressive. The references are genuine on page 28; you can go to the Archives and get a 1954 document and get the same reference numbers, the same reference titles, word for word, comma for comma.

check this too

http://209.132.68.98/pdf/eisenhower_briefing.pdf

A new study has found genetic precursors (nucleobases) in a meteorite.

More here: Were Meteorites the Origin of Life on Earth?: Scientific American

Those documents, i have linked up there, are proof of the alien cover up by the government. please look at them.

Brandon78125 said:

Those documents, i have linked up there, are proof of the alien cover up by the government. please look at them.

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Doesn't it make you even slightly suspisious that at the end of all those articles are ORDER FORMS, for MERCHANISE, wanting you to SPEND YOUR MONEY.

They are proof of nothing except that people will prey on your paranoia.

Please tell me you didn't spend any money on this JOKE.