ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

mellokitty said:

indeed; this article in wine business monthly talks about a multi-pronged approach for an actual preventative, BUT, of the "alternatives," milk and whey outperformed both "horticultural oil" and bacillus subtilis....
i have to admit i'm very very curious about whey, as it hadn't occurred to me as an option until i read this article....

http://www.winebusiness.com/wbm/?go=getArticle&dataId=46910

"The materials that displayed efficacy against PM in greenhouse trials were then evaluated in a series of trials in commercial vineyards. The following is a summary of the results from Verdelho and Syrah vineyards:​

The Bacillus subtilis product provided a significantly lower severity of PM infection than the untreated control but was not as effective in reducing disease severity when compared to sulfur, milk or whey. The bacterium performed more poorly in field trials than it did in the greenhouse trials.​

Similarly, the potassium bicarbonate material showed efficacy relative to the untreated control in the field, but did not perform as well as sulfur, milk, whey or programs of mixed materials (horticultural oils, potassium bicarbonate, whey and sulfur). And finally, the horticultural oils alone did not perform as well as milk, whey, the combination programs or the potassium bicarbonate.​

Clearly, the best performance was seen in the milk and whey materials, with whey being the single most consistent performer. Whey was shown to be effective in a spray concentration of 15 g/L (2 ounces per gallon) when combined with either a surfactant or horticultural oil.​

Why whey? Milk and whey convey control for PM through several means. For one, free oxygen radicals are produced when milk or whey are exposed to sunlight. The free radicals destroy the fungal hyphae and conidia. Additionally, a natural antimicrobial compound in milk (lactoferrin) ruptures the fungal conidia."

i've recently been discussing this with one of my gardening gurus and he mentioned something about how the presence of mineral salts in milk are also believed to help inhibit the "grow back".... i always thought milk was a pH thing too, just like baking soda. but apparently there's more to it than that.​

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Good stuff kitty. I didn't know that about whey until you posted it up previously. If this site could be condensed down to the top 100 or so, we'd have something special round heah. But sadly that isn't the case.

Here is a link to some hash history in the making. The patent holder for ice water hash, Richard Delp, is suing everyone he can while he can. This is the case against Bubbleman's company "Fresh Headies". Its legal info so pretty boring, but its whats really going on in the hash world.
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-864-08

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Here is a link to some hash history in the making. The patent holder for ice water hash, Richard Delp, is suing everyone he can while he can. This is the case against Bubbleman's company "Fresh Headies". Its legal info so pretty boring, but its whats really going on in the hash world.
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-864-08

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Yeah, I've read some crazy shit recently about Bubbleman, Sam the Skunkman, Milla, Robert Connell Clarke and a few other characters. Nasty stuff thrown around...

hah that's some funny shit.... patenting methods is kind of a funny thing when people have been doing ice water extraction in the mountains for 1000s of years... he gonna sue them too? haha...

I'm teaching a hash class in an hour at organicann in santa rosa. I forgot to announce it here... no worries because there is nothing in class that isn't here. rize up!

Here is my lesson plan:


Halloween Hash Class – October 29th 2011
Organicann Harvest Market, Santa Rosa
Matt Rize: [email protected]

Juicing fresh cannabis.
20 to 30 leaves up to 5X per day
Dr. William Courtney in Mendocino: 707-937-4937
THC/CBD Tinctures from Alta California
99:1 “euphoria”, 50:50 “tranquility”, and 20:80 “healing”
www.4altacalifornia.com
CBD: anti-cancer and much more.

What is Hash? Hash is a concentrated preparation of Cannabis, made of compressed trichomes. Hash is obsolete now.
Cannabis Trichomes: Evolved to prevent herbivory/parasitism. Sticky and intoxicating. Absorbs UV-B. Capitate-stalked (mushroom shape) oil gland. Oil and temperature, cold glands=brittle.
Ice Water Extraction: a process using ice & water to separate and collect the trichome heads from plants.
Supplies: Ice, Mesh bottom bags, Washing Machine, Spoon, Trichome laden cannabis, Grater, Buckets, Paper Towels, Trays. Silk Screen.
Ice Source: Store bought vs. Homemade.
2.5 cups of store ice: 327g. 2.5 cups of home ice: 353g.
RO water makes the best ice.
Chlorine makes ice melt faster. Aerated ice melts faster.
Freezing extractable matter: Fresh vs. Dried. Aim for 3% to 5% yields, up to 7% if using flowers. Remove pre-freezing: stems, dead laves, debris, big leaves.
Washing machines: or 5 gallon buckets and mixers, paint mixer vs. wooden-spoon on a drill. “Rize buckets” for draining.
Bubblebags: separating trichomes with a series of screens. Which bags, when, and why? Rize bucket set up. When the bags drain slowly. Maintenance. Working Bag. The 25 micron bag and when to use it.
Microns: 45-90 & 90-170. Sativa vs. Indica.
Spray bottles: herding trichomes and washing away the green.
Quality: colors and textures and purity. Stage of maturity. Microscope examination.
Breaking the wet extract up: “rize style grating” and other options.
Drying: silk screens, coffee filters, pizza stone, temperature and humidity, crumbling. Towels vs Paper Towels
Second Processing: ironing, pressing, heating, decarboxylation, the shine and the melt. Decarboxylation: THCA → THC; Active → Psychoactive. Below 220° F
Curing: what happens during the cure? Polymerization?
Smoking/Vaporizing Extracts: Coals and Hand pressing. Glass rods and three hole bowls. Titanium swing pads and nails. Quartz and Glass nails. Herb Iron. Essential Vape. Healthstone. Affects of smoking extracts versus flowers.
Making your own hash-butter or hash-oil.
Tips for handling frozen hands.
Salvaging moldy/mildewy material via ice water extraction.

Class notes:

What a great thread...........

Matt Rize said:

I'm teaching a hash class in an hour at organicann in santa rosa. I forgot to announce it here... no worries because there is nothing in class that isn't here. rize up!

Juicing fresh cannabis.
20 to 30 leaves up to 5X per day
Dr. William Courtney in Mendocino: 707-937-4937
THC/CBD Tinctures from Alta California
99:1 “euphoria”, 50:50 “tranquility”, and 20:80 “healing”
www.4altacalifornia.com
CBD: anti-cancer and much more.

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i use a wheatgrass juicer for leaves its awesome.. where do you find aerated ice?

malignant said:

i use a wheatgrass juicer for leaves its awesome.. where do you find aerated ice?

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Wheat grass juicers are way better than the kind I use, but I get by. Aerated ice is no bueno, it melts faster.

Matt Rize said:

Wheat grass juicers are way better than the kind I use, but I get by. Aerated ice is no bueno, it melts faster.

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wouldn't that cause it to get colder faster? if it melts faster doesn't it release more energy?

malignant said:

wouldn't that cause it to get colder faster? if it melts faster doesn't it release more energy?

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The extraction process takes time, and holding the mixture as close to 33 degrees F for the entire process is key to getting the cleanest separation. Store bought ice melts too fast, and you have to keep adding more ice as the separation occurs to maintain that 33 degrees.

so how would one make 20 lbs at home?

malignant said:

so how would one make 20 lbs at home?

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20 lbs of extract? thats gonna take a bigger machine or lots of time. all these same techniques apply to larger washing machines and larger bags. just supersize it.

20lbs of ice

malignant said:

20lbs of ice

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much, much more than that... unless you are using dry ice, and even then...

nl3004.kind said:

much, much more than that... unless you are using dry ice, and even then...

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nah, ive got a 10 bag 5 gal system, 20 lbs and water is just fine, how do you use dry ice for hash? i keep seeing it around and very curious, and what about co2 extraction? ive heard of that aswell. at the studio we were thinking of trying to use liquid oxy, anyone ever try that?

Dry ice can be used to the make the ice water as cold as possible. Too much and the slurry will freeze so you gotta be careful. Folks also do dry ice dry-screening, followed by an ice water rinse.

CO2 extractors are from eden labs.

im a glass blower, so how could i make a glass co2 extractor?

malignant said:

im a glass blower, so how could i make a glass co2 extractor?

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You can't. CO2 extractions occur under high pressure levels that require a professionally fabricated stainless system. Your extractor needs to be able to handle the pressure and low temps needed to hold CO2 in a liquid phase. Eden labs, check it out.

matt, have you seen those "tamisumi" extractors from high times??? are they even worth anything??? i am loathe to spend money one anything that is advertised in high times, but if it works, the price points is ok...

nl3004.kind said:

matt, have you seen those "tamisumi" extractors from high times??? are they even worth anything??? i am loathe to spend money one anything that is advertised in high times, but if it works, the price points is ok...

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they are just advertising in HT. and agreed on the loathing. Here is the actual site: http://tamisiumextractors.com/

The specifics are very state by state, and there is lots of info on the site. The Cup winner here, my friend Vernon Phillips, uses them. So do several other friends. They take some learning I hear, to get a clean extract, but the safety factor and recapture on n-butane are big selling points.