ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Dropastone

Well-Known Member
When using the 25 I found that if you kind of jerk the bag in an up and down motion it will drain faster but letting it settle then siphoning most of the water off the top first is sounding a little better and simpler to me.
 

poplars

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so I have a question...

I've read everything in this thread about soaking for 15-20 mins before putting the ice in and disturbing the trichs in the washer, I've read about how long to wash.

but what I'm wondering is, do you let the trichs settle directly AFTER the wash stops? or do you let it drain into the 5 gal bucket first THEN allow the trichs to settle?

everything else is very well and thoroughly explained, I probably missed the part that explained this.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
so I have a question...

I've read everything in this thread about soaking for 15-20 mins before putting the ice in and disturbing the trichs in the washer, I've read about how long to wash.

but what I'm wondering is, do you let the trichs settle directly AFTER the wash stops? or do you let it drain into the 5 gal bucket first THEN allow the trichs to settle?

everything else is very well and thoroughly explained, I probably missed the part that explained this.
you dont need to let the trichome heads settle. most just go with the water when draining. then I rinse the ice and machine clean with chilled water to collect any trichs that stayed behind after the initial drain.
 

stoneyluv

Well-Known Member
why is this thread still not a sticky?!?!?!?!

mad props to you as always Mr. Rize!!! your ice wax is just mesmerizing!!!
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
why is this thread still not a sticky?!?!?!?!

mad props to you as always Mr. Rize!!! your ice wax is just mesmerizing!!!
Thanks to everyone. I've come a long way since joining RIU. I'm mod over in the outdoor forum... ask the organic forum mods about making this a sticky! :)
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Why I prefer physical extractions (dry screen and ice water) over solvent extractions (BHO, QWISO, CO2, N2) extractions.

1) safety
2) separation of trichome heads by size
3) legal under 215

I could write all day about each of these but I'll briefly elaborate.

1) Safety: The danger of all solvents, especially bho, is the risk of fires and explosions during extraction. People have been dying from trying to make bho for many years, it happened just a few months ago. An explosion is reported almost every week, and that is just the big ones that make the news. If people don't die they sometimes just lose their hands, a local man has been in a coma for the past couple months. He is a friend of a friend, its a small world ey? Obviously smaller pan fires and explosions are hidden because of the illegality of the extraction. I could post dozens of news reports of this happening, but its really not needed. BHO explosions are happening to medical marijuana patients, this info also makes the news.

2) Separation of trichome heads by size.
I could write an entire thesis on this working with Steep Hill Lab. To sum it up: small trichomes are different than large trichomes chemically, medium being the preference for smoking. The article in July 2011 Kush Magazine, on hash, that I worked on with Steep Hill, clearly shows that the different bags have different chemical analysis, and thats just looking at three compounds of the hundreds of cannabinoids, terpenoids, and flavonoids that combine synergistically to create what we call "high". Terpenoids act as agonists and antagonists to modulate the high, this is just becoming known.

I will clearly pose the hypothesis here and now that the medium sized trichomes (73 to 120 microns) have the highest terpene to weight levels. This is why the 73 to 120 grades are the most melty, oily, and flavorful.

Here is an example. Sour D 73 and 45. The 73 is Amber, the 45 is Red. They are different chemically, and its not just a slight difference in THC.



3) Legal under 215.
Fact is ice water extraction, dry screening, cooking oils/fats are all legal under 215. BHO is not, it actually carries a felony charge in the state, same charge as a meth lab.

Quote:
Sorry to hear about your troubles. Concentrated cannabis is legal under California's medical cannabis law, but police officers, public defenders, and judges sometime do not know what to do. ASA can help your public defender. Have a look at our legal FAQ at (link removed) Answer the question be be directed to the topic concerning concentrated cannabis. You can also email legalsupport@americansforsafea ccess.org

Concentrated cannabis or hashish is included within the meaning of “marijuana” as that term is used in the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.~ PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL REPORTS OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL State of California BILL LOCKYER Attorney General October 21, 2003

Here's a copy of the ATTORNEY GENERAL's reprort No.03_411.pdf
http://www.hmsllc.org/No.03_411.pdf
again bottom page #1 =
CONCLUSION
Concentrated cannabis or hashish is included within the meaning of
“marijuana” as that term is used in the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.
On the next 6 pages the ATTORNEY GENERAL explain why with leagle citations!
All from here, I hope the mods allow this link: http://safeaccessnow.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=2196

Then we get to this from ASA:
Quote:
BUT HASH OIL IS NOT LEGAL - as of Aug. 2008 =
"Hash Oil" & "Honey Oil" ie anything that uses a solvent for chemical extration (Butain and so forth) is illegal. People v. Bergan 2nd Court of Appeals, Div. 1, Aug 2008. Mechanical speration (silk screen, ice bag and also non-chemical lipids; butter, cooking oil) are still legal for valiad medical cannabis patients. Solvents made "oils" are not. Items made with a solvent, can be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years and by a fine” up to $50,000.
Here's the full case: http://www.hmsllc.org/bergan1.pdf
Basicaly if its NOT made with a silk screen (KEIF) or ice bags (HASH) or butter or vegy oil (Olive oil et al) "Non-chemical lipids" - it is against the law - and is under 'drug manufactoring." The Bergan dission is quite clear on this and goes into the verious methods and which ones are okay and which ones (Solvent derived) are not!
Note: Cold CO2 extration method is NOT mentioned I don't know where that would fall.
http://safeaccessnow.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=2711


rize up!
 

doowmd

Well-Known Member
when your gettin' results like yours from straight ice water extraction, why even mess w/ other "solvents"? lol I mean you've got it down to a fine science Matt, and I know you've opened up my eyes to the possibilities of ice water bag extraction and drying!


That Hindu Kush wax looks mighty tasty!
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Here's something cool. Same Jack Herer cuttings. Some were flowered indoors, some outdoors. As expected the indoor extract is cleaner, but the outdoor has more flavor and is more oily. The indoor is golden and the outdoor is red.
Indoor Jack 73


Outdoor Jack 73
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
do you know about the controversy over the xtr420? or the Amsterdam icewars? where alot of bullshit was started in the industry, people ousted, and wrongfully accused all over the spectacle of who invented ice hash...
Yeah. I know all of the players and all the stories. I have a decent relationship with Sam Skunkman, but Joe P is a total lunatic and I don't really deal with him. Bubbleman commented on my how to back when it was on another board. Thats when I knew I had to spread my techniques around. Bubbleman is a nice guy. Mila is a sweet old lady and makes the best bags, imo. But her company is nearly impossible to work with due to being tiny and overseas.

I just try to stay out of the war because I'm not in this for the money like they are. I intentionally spread my "trade secret" techniques around the web, even tho the top hash makers have asked me to keep it secret. You'll see a flush of folks trying to make money off of the game. I'm just a dispensary vendor who has been growing and making hash for half my life. I have no company selling hash gear, and will not in the future.

Bubbleman taught most of the world how to make/dry hash the wrong way. Hash that bubbles is wet. His whole fake name, the term bubble hash, and his brand are stupid because they mean wet hash. Hash that melts is good. Even my how to video is out of date, and I've updated everything since making it.

Truth is ice water hash was invented in the mountain regions where the hash cultures were born, maybe even China. Some european smugglers and/or hippies saw the techniques and brought them back to Europe. Its cool history, but all the hype from these guys is BS. No one invented ice water hash, its a product of ancient cultures who made hash and live near mountains. Using ice and water to separate gland from plants goes way back.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Soma just told me he bought two microplaners last week and used them for his ice water extract! I'm effing changing the hash world! drunk post of the week...
 
Damn matt! i cant wait to finally meet ya in person one day and discuss has makin techs and such, so much awesomeness.
(we are friends on Facebook) and im hoping that will be soon as im in need of a Vacation soon and im thinkin heading up north may be a GREAT idea! get down on some "ice wax" and some SUPER dry sift. i cant wait for the day i can try/make some dabbable dry sift, as thats a tech i NEVER even poked and pried and tested to get down...i got too pulled into the solvent game when i was STOCKING the local "Hash-Bar"'s shelves and bar with my products. as my techs developed and changed overtime(always had a liking for it though) i started to get more into what i call "The quest for FMCD" and it has lead me here after all this time....i believe YOU are the future of the extract game matt. not only because you know this water hash tech, but for ALL of the knowledge you share with me and other! Thank you for all you do!
 

malignant

Well-Known Member
i feel the exact opposite, higher yields fromoutdoor, poorer quality and taste.. whereas indoor premium quality, and taste with a quarter the weight. indoor i avg a qp per plant under 2k watts mh/hps outdoor i yield just under a pound per plant. the indoor taste is candy, the outdoor taste is not bad but no candy... and i flush, even outdoor, 120 gal of ro water per plant the last week.
 
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