I hate to say it.....

Budget Buds

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I really do , but after seeing how the republicans have attempted to stone wall this covid bill , How they have let my neighbors and families down with support during the rona.... and all the other bullshit they've done over the past election, I'm no longer going to consider myself a republican citizen .

Democrats arent perfect either , but I'd say theyre more for supporting the people .
 

mooray

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It's kinda always been that way though. The old school thought was that dems think supporting people leads to a thriving society and reps think supporting business leads to a thriving society. Both have a degree of truth to them when not in the hands of opportunist pos'.

No offense, but I don't buy into seeing reps for what they are this late in the game.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I really do , but after seeing how the republicans have attempted to stone wall this covid bill , How they have let my neighbors and families down with support during the rona.... and all the other bullshit they've done over the past election, I'm no longer going to consider myself a republican citizen .

Democrats arent perfect either , but I'd say theyre more for supporting the people .
Not to mention supporting the constitution, democracy and the rule of law, something called liberalism, same root as the word as liberty, as in libertard. Liberal means supporting the rule of law under the constitution in a democratically elected government with independent courts, that's all it means. It has nothing to do with economic policy, that is either left or right, though many liberals lean left, but liberal means one who fights for liberty, not an economic ideology.
 

Anon618

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Not free money.. Get ready to pay it back with higher taxes. Considering around 80% of the 1.9 percent NOT going to covid relief but to pay off the liberal state debt obligations.. but hey a there is a D (for dipshit) in the office of the president so im sure you brainwashed monkeys are happy... Keep making fun of Trump.. you have to be fucking kidding me...
 

Herb & Suds

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Not free money.. Get ready to pay it back with higher taxes. Considering around 80% of the 1.9 percent NOT going to covid relief but to pay off the liberal state debt obligations.. but hey a there is a D (for dipshit) in the office of the president so im sure you brainwashed monkeys are happy... Keep making fun of Trump.. you have to be fucking kidding me...
Wow

Maybe it will be free if we cancel the TrumpubliCON Tax breaks for the wealthy plan
Cost the same but only helps the richest
So GOP
 

hanimmal

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Not free money.. Get ready to pay it back with higher taxes. Considering around 80% of the 1.9 percent NOT going to covid relief but to pay off the liberal state debt obligations.. but hey a there is a D (for dipshit) in the office of the president so im sure you brainwashed monkeys are happy... Keep making fun of Trump.. you have to be fucking kidding me...
You like promoting propaganda?

I thought that tabloid's youtube page was pretty suspect.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/conservatives-programed-to-trigger-at-words-black-lives-matter-by-russian-trolls.1034523/post-15910272

If that is what you think is legitimate information source and are not another paid propaganda troll, I hope you stick around. I bet you have a pretty fun youtube homepage.
 

schuylaar

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I really do , but after seeing how the republicans have attempted to stone wall this covid bill , How they have let my neighbors and families down with support during the rona.... and all the other bullshit they've done over the past election, I'm no longer going to consider myself a republican citizen .

Democrats arent perfect either , but I'd say theyre more for supporting the people .
why would you hate to say it? i made a thread about dems increasing stimulus income limits then gaslighting the ole mitch.

change starts from the ground up calling it out and not keeping mum just because it's 'your side'..if not us who? when?

you've just witnessed the power of the vote and democracy in action and we still, in 2020 had to fight for it.
 

Budget Buds

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why would you hate to say it?
Well because for a long time I truly believed the bs I was told by Republicans, it took the pandemic and to see how the Republicans and democrats dealt with the situation and the differences between the way they handled it to show me. Friends and family are still struggling, myself included as my industry is decimated and will probably never recover.

But to watch someone who makes way more money than they deserve to make have the power to make decisions that affect people's livelihoods and then to chip away and reduce help and assistance because they think it's best for the bottom dollar of the state or nation was totally bullshit. Without the people there is no nation.

My opinions started to change when Republicans in Michigan chose to strip our governor of her powers to handle rona and the actions of that party thereafter throughout the whole country truly sickened me.

It's taking time and it's a drastic change in the way I've thought because I've thought that way for years.... that's why I say I hate to say it, because it's still so hard for even me to believe and because if you had asked me in March of 2020 about my political position, you'd have gotten a 180 degree difference in my answer....
 

hanimmal

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Well because for a long time I truly believed the bs I was told by Republicans, it took the pandemic and to see how the Republicans and democrats dealt with the situation and the differences between the way they handled it to show me. Friends and family are still struggling, myself included as my industry is decimated and will probably never recover.

But to watch someone who makes way more money than they deserve to make have the power to make decisions that affect people's livelihoods and then to chip away and reduce help and assistance because they think it's best for the bottom dollar of the state or nation was totally bullshit. Without the people there is no nation.

My opinions started to change when Republicans in Michigan chose to strip our governor of her powers to handle rona and the actions of that party thereafter throughout the whole country truly sickened me.

It's taking time and it's a drastic change in the way I've thought because I've thought that way for years.... that's why I say I hate to say it, because it's still so hard for even me to believe and because if you had asked me in March of 2020 about my political position, you'd have gotten a 180 degree difference in my answer....
Agreed. I can't understand why the state Republicans here are screwing around with getting our state schools funding flowing. Looks like Stabenow put a time limit on how much they can screw with it though in this latest bill.

https://apnews.com/article/health-michigan-legislation-gretchen-whitmer-coronavirus-pandemic-97b06bce3b4eaa341b87b87e5eb5c8ec
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LANSING, Mich. (AP) — A landmark $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill that won final congressional approval on Wednesday includes a provision meant to force states to allocate aid to schools quickly, following Michigan’s ongoing delay in disbursing emergency K-12 funding that was authorized in a previous round of coronavirus funding.

The state got nearly $1.8 billion to help schools under the package enacted in late December. But just $839 million, less than half, was approved 2 1/2 months later when Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer signed authorizing legislation Tuesday. That’s because Republicans tied about $841 million to a measure she vetoed that would have ceded certain state pandemic powers solely to local health departments. Noting that GOP legislators had not negotiated with her, the governor vetoed $652 million in other aid, including $97 million in federal school funds, until a deal is reached.

The new federal bill, which Biden will sign Friday, requires states to allot funds to districts “in an expedited and timely manner and, to the extent practicable, not later than 60 days after the receipt of such funds.”

Robert McCann, executive director of the K-12 Alliance of Michigan, a coalition of superintendents, said the group had expressed frustrations over the delayed funding to Michigan Sen. Debbie Stabenow, a Democrat who added the provision.

“We appreciate her work on addressing that,” he said. “Schools across the nation are putting federal dollars to work to support their students and aid in their recovery, but here in Michigan, our students are being left behind because Lansing would rather wage partisan battles and use school aid dollars as some misguided bargaining chip as part of that. It has to stop.”

Meanwhile, there were no outward signs that the impasse between the Republican-led Legislature and Whitmer was subsiding. The House on Wednesday quickly passed bills to restore the $652 million that was vetoed, including $405 million in state funding for pandemic-affected businesses. But many Democrats voted no, pointing out — as the governor has — that GOP legislators did not include all federal funding for rental home and food assistance.

“Now, more than ever, we need to be on the same page, working together, working collaboratively with our governor to make sure these resources are delivered now,” said Rep. Rachel Hood, of Grand Rapids.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman Thomas Albert, in a letter to state budget director Dave Massaron, said he was willing to meet and negotiate funding “as soon as the administration agrees to meet with the Legislature to negotiate its epidemic orders.”

GOP legislators have criticized Whitmer for not giving them a say in state health department measures that are designed to limit the spread of the virus but which business groups and others say go too far.

“The governor’s overall objection to this relief seems to be that she didn’t have input and wasn’t able to negotiate on the policy,” said Albert, of Lowell. “I wonder if the governor now knows how the rest of us have felt over the past year.”

The fate of the $841 million in emergency K-12 aid, which was linked to Republicans’ thwarted demand that Whitmer let only local health departments close schools and prohibit sports, remained unclear amid a legal review.

Michigan is due to receive billions in additional funding under the package headed to Biden’s desk, including $3.8 billion for schools.
 

schuylaar

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Agreed. I can't understand why the state Republicans here are screwing around with getting our state schools funding flowing. Looks like Stabenow put a time limit on how much they can screw with it though in this latest bill.

https://apnews.com/article/health-michigan-legislation-gretchen-whitmer-coronavirus-pandemic-97b06bce3b4eaa341b87b87e5eb5c8ec
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because everyone wants the schools open instead of those mean dems. they want to be able to say it was delayed. just think they learn how to do this while playing elementary school dodge ball.
 
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Rob Roy

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strip our governor of her powers to handle rona
That is a self contradicting assumption that Whitmer should order people to lockdown, mask etc. , if you believe all people have equal rights and at the same time believe a Governor has more rights than the people she is supposedly equal to.

Leaving Republicans was a good move, landing in the Democrat camp was not. I don't mean to be rude, but you went from one side of the room filled with cult members to the other side of the room filled with other cult members. You should have exited the room, and locked the door behind you.
 

hanimmal

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That is a self contradicting assumption that Whitmer should order people to lockdown, mask etc. , if you believe all people have equal rights and at the same time believe a Governor has more rights than the people she is supposedly equal to.

Leaving Republicans was a good move, landing in the Democrat camp was not. I don't mean to be rude, but you went from one side of the room filled with cult members to the other side of the room filled with other cult members. You should have exited the room, and locked the door behind you.
Trolls like yourself tried really hard to convince people of these lies, but the proof was when the Democratic party rejected cult logic by voting in Biden. They then proved why it was the right move when 81 million Americans stepped up and voted out Trump, gave back the Democrats the house, and winning the senate.

The Democrats are not a cult, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise, because it is not about 1 or even a small group of people in the party.
 

Budget Buds

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That is a self contradicting assumption that Whitmer should order people to lockdown, mask etc. , if you believe all people have equal rights and at the same time believe a Governor has more rights than the people she is supposedly equal to.

Leaving Republicans was a good move, landing in the Democrat camp was not. I don't mean to be rude, but you went from one side of the room filled with cult members to the other side of the room filled with other cult members. You should have exited the room, and locked the door behind you.
She had already loosened restrictions she had in place, like it or not the restrictions did work. The Republicans just wanted to show there asses because they weren't given the chance to throw a wrench into the mix.
 

srh88

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That is a self contradicting assumption that Whitmer should order people to lockdown, mask etc. , if you believe all people have equal rights and at the same time believe a Governor has more rights than the people she is supposedly equal to.

Leaving Republicans was a good move, landing in the Democrat camp was not. I don't mean to be rude, but you went from one side of the room filled with cult members to the other side of the room filled with other cult members. You should have exited the room, and locked the door behind you.
I agree based just on how dumb this state is
 
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