Hydro Cloning Question

jhowdy17

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I am setting up a a SOG this summer and trying to pinpoint the best way to go about it. I have a flower tent which I will be putting 2x4 ebb and flow trays into. my smaller tent will house the moms in DWC buckets. I am new to the hydro side of things...

My question is what is the best medium to put the clones into for an easy transition into the ebb and flow trays?
Rockwool and hydroton in small square pots? Directly into hydroton? With or without net pots?
 

jhowdy17

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So clones into Rockwool until they root, then the rw into the net pot and square pot? Simple as that?
 

superstoner1

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i would use netpots and collars. no need for any media, no issues with rockwool, and less stress when moving.
 

Warlock1369

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Go with rockwhool. It helps hold the stem in place when rooting. Hydroton can move and damage new roots.
 

problemsolver

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Although soil cloning will have an excellent survival rate ( almost always 100% as long as the soil isn't "hot") if you're looking to transfer the clones into an ebb and flow, you can take the advice of superstoner1 and use no media for cloning. The way that I do this is by setting up a dwc/bubbler with a level sensor(you can also maintain a dwc constant water level by drilling a bulkhead fitting,minimum3/4" pvc, into the bottom of your bin, attaching a pvc. stem so it rises as high as the desired water level,allowing water to overflow into a bucket or pail below which a pump will feed back into the bin and you will have to make-up the evaporation water yourself if you don't also use the auto-top off sensor) that will activate an auto top-off system to keep the water surface close to the tips of clones that are sticking through 1/8" (exactly) holes in a piece of 3/4" foam board ( the kind you find in the building supply stores). Make sure your dwc pail/bucket/bin has plenty of aeration to create a "rolling boil" bubble effect which will be observed at the air/water interface (the water surface). I achieve optimal bubbling and aeration with 8"round aluminum oxide air stones ( non deteriorating) and a Danner pondmaster 50-100 watt pump (drsfostersmith.com). When the clones are rooted, just cut a a circle or square around each clone ( a 1" dia. or sq.) and transfer the clone to the hole it will sit in for the flowering period with the support of a neoprene foam collar or even a 1.5" rockwool cube used as a holding collar ( surrounding the stem just above the roots). If you use the rockwool holding collar method, your hole in the ebb and flow flowering system should be 1-1/8" ( a 1-1/8" hole saw bit will do).
 

jhowdy17

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i would use netpots and collars. no need for any media, no issues with rockwool, and less stress when moving.
so the collar would support the clone, and the roots simply grow down into and through the netpot without any hydroton or rockwool?
 

Opm

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so the collar would support the clone, and the roots simply grow down into and through the netpot without any hydroton or rockwool?
All the media really does is support the plant. If you use a collar, no need for media.
 

jhowdy17

Active Member
Although soil cloning will have an excellent survival rate ( almost always 100% as long as the soil isn't "hot") if you're looking to transfer the clones into an ebb and flow, you can take the advice of superstoner1 and use no media for cloning. The way that I do this is by setting up a dwc/bubbler with a level sensor(you can also maintain a dwc constant water level by drilling a bulkhead fitting,minimum3/4" pvc, into the bottom of your bin, attaching a pvc. stem so it rises as high as the desired water level,allowing water to overflow into a bucket or pail below which a pump will feed back into the bin and you will have to make-up the evaporation water yourself if you don't also use the auto-top off sensor) that will activate an auto top-off system to keep the water surface close to the tips of clones that are sticking through 1/8" (exactly) holes in a piece of 3/4" foam board ( the kind you find in the building supply stores). Make sure your dwc pail/bucket/bin has plenty of aeration to create a "rolling boil" bubble effect which will be observed at the air/water interface (the water surface). I achieve optimal bubbling and aeration with 8"round aluminum oxide air stones ( non deteriorating) and a Danner pondmaster 50-100 watt pump (drsfostersmith.com). When the clones are rooted, just cut a a circle or square around each clone ( a 1" dia. or sq.) and transfer the clone to the hole it will sit in for the flowering period with the support of a neoprene foam collar or even a 1.5" rockwool cube used as a holding collar ( surrounding the stem just above the roots). If you use the rockwool holding collar method, your hole in the ebb and flow flowering system should be 1-1/8" ( a 1-1/8" hole saw bit will do).
Ok i think i follow most all of what you said here haha..i originally was thinking of using 2 DWC buckets for each mother plant, cutting my clones, putting them into trays with humidity domes, waiting for roots to creep out the bottom, then put them into the ebb and flow. i would probably run 18/6 for a week or so to establish SOME roots, but nothing major as i can fit up to 21 plants in a 2x4 tray. i understand the importance of oxygen in the water for healthy root development, but i suppose i was hoping the trays/humidity domes would suffice.

I do understand what you mean as far as using foam board and having multiple cloning sites in the DWC bucket...obviously the system you described would give me a higher success rate with the clones...but im not too great at the handyman DIY type stuff like that...i would almost rather grab an EZ clone machine if I can get good results with that (as ive heard nothing but great things about the EZ clone machines)....
 

jhowdy17

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Go with rockwhool. It helps hold the stem in place when rooting. Hydroton can move and damage new roots.
people keep warning me about using rockwool...is it that bad? does it really have issues with saturation, root rot, etc? It seems like a cut and dry method of cloning to me, and it always has. but the words of caution are somewhat scaring me away...
 

Warlock1369

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people keep warning me about using rockwool...is it that bad? does it really have issues with saturation, root rot, etc? It seems like a cut and dry method of cloning to me, and it always has. but the words of caution are somewhat scaring me away...
RW is the easiest way. Just fallow the directions and ph them. And in the 1 inch cubes you want them wet just no nutes. After the 1 inch root you can go in hydroton or the bigger cubes. Only draw back I've had with RW is alge. Simple way to fix that is to cover it with a square of panda plastic.
 

jhowdy17

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RW is the easiest way. Just fallow the directions and ph them. And in the 1 inch cubes you want them wet just no nutes. After the 1 inch root you can go in hydroton or the bigger cubes. Only draw back I've had with RW is alge. Simple way to fix that is to cover it with a square of panda plastic.
perfect, see that makes sense to me. i was planning on covering them with squares of panda film in the first place because algae was a main concern. you are suggesting to start with the 1 inch cubes? are the 1 inch cubes big enough for the entire life of the plant, or is it a good idea to transplant into bigger RW cubes?
 

Warlock1369

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Start your clones in them. About 10-14 days later you will move them to the media your going to grow in and veg with nutes. If your going with RW the whole grow move to the 6 inch. And would be best to have a mat under so roots can grow wild under it and not get light.
 

jhowdy17

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Start your clones in them. About 10-14 days later you will move them to the media your going to grow in and veg with nutes. If your going with RW the whole grow move to the 6 inch. And would be best to have a mat under so roots can grow wild under it and not get light.
a mat to literally put into the tray and sit the pots on top of? i confess i had not thought about the roots getting hit by light, but that would absolutely be an issue...i think my 6" square pots will be close enough together that no light will seep between them, but i want to avoid that light fucking anything up..are these mats at the hydro store?
 

jhowdy17

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i thought about straight rockwool in the trays, but decided on the pots filled with hydroton would better support the plants
 

Warlock1369

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a mat to literally put into the tray and sit the pots on top of? i confess i had not thought about the roots getting hit by light, but that would absolutely be an issue...i think my 6" square pots will be close enough together that no light will seep between them, but i want to avoid that light fucking anything up..are these mats at the hydro store?
Use a mat. But if you think you will need to move them a mat is a bad idea. Once set you can't move them.
 
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