How I accelerate fade in soil

twentyeight.threefive

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From my perspective it’s about the quality of the finished product, not how perfectly green the leaves look.
I got tomatoes in my garden where the leaves are half yellow, yet the tomatoes look perfectly ripe, should I have added some cal mag?
What is your obsession with CalMag and thinking that it makes leaves green again?
 

budtoker221

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What is your obsession with CalMag and thinking that it makes leaves green again?
im just using it as an example of a fertilizer product that might keep leaves green longer depending on the circumstance, it seems like a very popular thing in the cannabis community that is commonly recommended when people are having various forms of “lockout” or yellow leaves or whatever.
I believe it’s partly the nitrogen in the cal mag that can bring the leaves back to a darker shade of green when people use it. Maybe I should have just said “nitrogen”.
 

Hollatchaboy

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the tomatoes turn out perfect every year, and since we amend the dirt before planting they mature and fruit just fine, we don’t have time to make sure every leaf is perfectly green, and I’m skeptical that fertilizing that much would actually make them taste better.
Good thing most farmers don't have that same opinion.
From my perspective it’s about the quality of the finished product, not how perfectly green the leaves look.
I got tomatoes in my garden where the leaves are half yellow, yet the tomatoes look perfectly ripe, should I have added some cal mag?
I don't use calmag, mgso4 and calnit, if needed, which I rarely ever need to use, but the point is, feed the plant what it wants, when it wants it, at the correct rate.
 

Playk328

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Good thing most farmers don't have that same opinion.

I don't use calmag, mgso4 and calnit, if needed, which I rarely ever need to use, but the point is, feed the plant what it wants, when it wants it, at the correct rate.
I don't even own a bottle of cal mag..
 

Playk328

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I amended my beds with greensand, eggshell powder, epsom salt and a few other things.. It takes a while for all this to break down but if you are amending with it every year there should be no need for cal mag bottles.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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Tomatoes aren't nearly as picky as weed. Tomato plants also continue growth while fruiting where weed concentrates solely on bud production.
It's like saying a spider plant can live off just tap water so weed will too.
Just for fun I put a couple of our cherry tomato plants in 'expended' ProMix HP in pots on our back deck. The rest of them are in my garden with good soil that's been seasonally amended with composted manure, etc. The ones in the garden need 'feeding' every few weeks, while the ones in the post-cannabis Promix need to be fed at least 2x a week or they go yellow really fast. The good news, is when I forget their mid-week feed, and they yellow, I can re-feed and they green up again quickly.

And yes, the ones in containers have been living off of Maxibloom at a rate of ~5g per gallon. When I germinated and started them in the tent I was using MaxiGro & they very very quickly grew out of control.

On that note, I'm at the part of the summer when I'm sick of seeing tomatoes. We're getting a quart to two quarts a day on the cherries, and the big tomato plants (Cherokee Purples, only planted two of those), have produced double digit pounds each and still have more to go and are still flowering.
 

Jjgrow420

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Just for fun I put a couple of our cherry tomato plants in 'expended' ProMix HP in pots on our back deck. The rest of them are in my garden with good soil that's been seasonally amended with composted manure, etc. The ones in the garden need 'feeding' every few weeks, while the ones in the post-cannabis Promix need to be fed at least 2x a week or they go yellow really fast. The good news, is when I forget their mid-week feed, and they yellow, I can re-feed and they green up again quickly.

And yes, the ones in containers have been living off of Maxibloom at a rate of ~5g per gallon. When I germinated and started them in the tent I was using MaxiGro & they very very quickly grew out of control.

On that note, I'm at the part of the summer when I'm sick of seeing tomatoes. We're getting a quart to two quarts a day on the cherries, and the big tomato plants (Cherokee Purples, only planted two of those), have produced double digit pounds each and still have more to go and are still flowering.
I planted the Cherokee too! Love the texture!!
 

budtoker221

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Good thing most farmers don't have that same opinion.
“Ordinary fertilizing by animal and human excretments, or even by too much minerals—sulphuric acid ammoniac—and superphosphate and by over-irrigating—changes the positive good properties into negative “bad ones,” or at least decreases the good qualities. The grower secures the advantage as they look attractive, are of a good size and weight, and consequently bring a good market price, costing the consumer more, for food that is really harmful.”

- Arnold Ehret (1922)


I might not have believed Arnold here if the supermarket tomatoes didn’t taste so much worse than our home grown (that arent heavily fertigated)
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I planted the Cherokee too! Love the texture!!
All of the deeper darker large tomatoes have been the favorites for us across the years in terms of flavor, and the Cherokee Purples are a pretty known quantity/quality because they're widely popular I think. They also are nice because they 'fill out' and have less seedy/liquid voids and more flesh.

We have a pretty short growing season here, and in the past we ended up with tomatoes in October and losing half of what we grew to frost and snow. This year I started 'in tent' under 675w of HLG's and was maybe too aggressive in how early I started. By the time I got 'em in the garden the last week in May the plants were about 4' tall. Now they're about 7' but the branches are all hanging down because my stakes weren't tall enough, they'd be 9 or 10 feet tall if I had better stakes. We actually had ripe tomatoes the last week in June and they're still flowering.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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They're picked weeks early and force ripened with a gas. That's why they don't taste as good as home grown.
I saw a documentary about tomatoes and they were in Italy going over the famed San Marzano tomato fields. Was interested to see that most of the growers not only don't stake them (they let them just crawl across the ground), but that they also don't water them regularly and that they believe that the best flavor comes from the plants being water stressed.
 

Blue brother

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You promote drying cannabis in a household refrigerator...you should ease up on playing referee
Is this supposed to be an insult?


Did u try it?
you should have a look back in that thread, results have been posted by myself and others, I never ended up using a household refrigerator, I opted for the thermoelectric wine cooler. But others in that thread are now using a fridge.
For me the fridge was either gonna need a dehumidifier and a humidifier on inkbirds or I was gonna have to burp containers in the fridge regularly, the wine cooler set up is much more hands off .
 

Hollatchaboy

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“Ordinary fertilizing by animal and human excretments, or even by too much minerals—sulphuric acid ammoniac—and superphosphate and by over-irrigating—changes the positive good properties into negative “bad ones,” or at least decreases the good qualities. The grower secures the advantage as they look attractive, are of a good size and weight, and consequently bring a good market price, costing the consumer more, for food that is really harmful.”

- Arnold Ehret (1922)


I might not have believed Arnold here if the supermarket tomatoes didn’t taste so much worse than our home grown (that arent heavily fertigated)
Too much being the key phrase. A balanced diet is what you want.
 

Playk328

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If you want a hands off automated system maybe you should look at something like Derek Gilman's automated curing system. It may work a bit better then a wine cooler.
 
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