How can we achieve a living wage?

Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Fogdog said:
You show up around midnight and stop posting around 6 AM. Where do you live, Budd? What's your agenda?

To the point of the OP, what is the objective of legislating a living wage? Maybe we could achieve those objectives without mandating that businesses pay high wages for low value work.
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Maybe I'm what you call a night owl, with only one or two days a week to have fun.

Agenda? Other than wizen up the steeple? I guess to have fun?

Because based on current federal minimum wage, a person would need to work about 90 hours just to afford a single one bedroom apartment.

What's considered "low value work?" A job that's beneath you?

You sound like a really swell guy.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Sir Napsalot said:
A real Buddhist would not use the term "bleeding heart"
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The likes of you virtue signal your almighty goodness, but in reality only care about yourself. The truth is, you're afraid if you speak up about the reality of the system, the next step down is from the proletariat, to the lumpenproletariat, and must survive on dumpster diving.

To those like you, there's always someone beneath you who you'd rather become part of the new lumpen, and you'll fight tooth and nail to kick that person until they fail. Because you know the system can only support itself when more and more become disenfranchised. Jesus said it best, "the poor will always be with us," but that's a lie. Even back then there was the horrid capitalists, who he overturned their tables.

There is enough for all, that the few with riches beyond imagination, would no longer live as kings, and in return giving the poor just the ability to at least survive.

Because you all bleed, but it's not blood, but instead infected puss.

Proof is the more "liberal" of your kindred, Fogdog and ttystikk, who liked a post about how we "cure" this problem is by using lobbyists, who are nothing more than scum, giving bribes, and at worst, extortion, that keeps the backwards system afloat.
 
Sir Napsalot

Sir Napsalot

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Buddha2525 said:
The likes of you virtue signal your almighty goodness, but in reality only care about yourself. The truth is, you're afraid if you speak up about the reality of the system, the next step down is from the proletariat, to the lumpenproletariat, and must survive on dumpster diving.

To those like you, there's always someone beneath you who you'd rather become part of the new lumpen, and you'll fight tooth and nail to kick that person until they fail. Because you know the system can only support itself when more and more become disenfranchised. Jesus said it best, "the poor will always be with us," but that's a lie. Even back then there was the horrid capitalists, who he overturned their tables.

There is enough for all, that the few with riches beyond imagination, would no longer live as kings, and in return giving the poor just the ability to at least survive.

Because you all bleed, but it's not blood, but instead infected puss.

Proof is the more "liberal" of your kindred, Fogdog and ttystikk, who liked a post about how we "cure" this problem is by using lobbyists, who are nothing more than scum, giving bribes, and at worst, extortion, that keeps the backwards system afloat.
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Pretty old post to be seizing on this late in the game

you should chant to forget about me
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
Maybe I'm what you call a night owl, with only one or two days a week to have fun.

Agenda? Other than wizen up the steeple? I guess to have fun?

Because based on current federal minimum wage, a person would need to work about 90 hours just to afford a single one bedroom apartment.

What's considered "low value work?" A job that's beneath you?

You sound like a really swell guy.
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Why do you keep asking questions? I'm not here for you.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Ripped Farmer said:
That called evil capitalism and it must be stopped! (bwahahahaa)

If someone is getting rich, someone else is going broke. Can't have it both ways.

But ermahgerd, living wage.
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I doubt you're part of the bourgeoisie over even petit bourgeoisie, otherwise you'd not post on this site. Some few lumpenbourgeoise probably do post here, only out of boredom though.

I'll break it down for you.

The capitalist system is indeed very evil. It's a parasite whose only end goal is the destruction of the whole planet.

Capitalism is an exploitive system which can only survive when the bourgeoisie enlists the slave labor of the proletariat.

One step below is the bureaucratic bourgeoisie that act as the voice for the true bourgeoisie capitalist class.

The proletariat's only course of action, since the monopoly of the bourgeoisie took away their ability for self employment, is to work for the select few elite in such a economic plutocracy. Value must be produced with surplus value, using a Ponzi scheme, until those at the bottom can no longer sustain themselves.

The next level, the petit bourgeoise, service sector, but don't have enough capital to become part of the bourgeoisie themselves.

Below that is the lumpen, who are broken into lumpenproletariat, who usually consist of the underemployed and are on the verge of becoming homeless. At the lowest level is the lumpenbourgeoise, those who sit in mommies basement, in Japan called the hikikimori.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
The likes of you virtue signal your almighty goodness, but in reality only care about yourself. The truth is, you're afraid if you speak up about the reality of the system, the next step down is from the proletariat, to the lumpenproletariat, and must survive on dumpster diving.

To those like you, there's always someone beneath you who you'd rather become part of the new lumpen, and you'll fight tooth and nail to kick that person until they fail. Because you know the system can only support itself when more and more become disenfranchised. Jesus said it best, "the poor will always be with us," but that's a lie. Even back then there was the horrid capitalists, who he overturned their tables.

There is enough for all, that the few with riches beyond imagination, would no longer live as kings, and in return giving the poor just the ability to at least survive.

Because you all bleed, but it's not blood, but instead infected puss.

Proof is the more "liberal" of your kindred, Fogdog and ttystikk, who liked a post about how we "cure" this problem is by using lobbyists, who are nothing more than scum, giving bribes, and at worst, extortion, that keeps the backwards system afloat.
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Nice. You are letting it all out. Just flush those emotions out. You've had a hard day, I understand.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Fogdog said:
Nice. You are letting it all out. Just flush those emotions out. You've had a hard day, I understand.
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I had a very nice day, thank you. Went out with the family. Got a bite to eat.

My job is actually fairly easy. I get paid to give psudo-Buddhist bullshit, so that companies can feel good about taking advantage of their employees. "Hey, we don't exploit you, we're not some sort of sweat shop. Go on your day off to a meditation seminar (by me)" When in reality, they are a sweat shop, but, admitting such hurts their feels. Shrug.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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ttystikk said:
This.

The Republicans are actively destroying what's left of unions nationwide.

The Democrats are busy ignoring them.

The only ones representing unions and workers? Progressives...
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What is this "progressive?" There isn't really a left or right. There's only the correct way.

While workers rights is a proper goal, unions aren't the answer. They are yet another cog in the capitalist system, where the unions are a fake workers rights, who are still at the heels of their masters. While union mob bosses get paid during a union strike, the poor workers get nothing. Scabs work anyway. Production continues.

Besides those criticisms, you're forced to take the ideals of the union. If you're against exploitation of undocumented workers, but your employer has a deal with the union, as a partner in the Federal E-Verify program, that union has every right to force your name on a list in support of ratting on undocumented. The same if you're part of a religious institution with a union against abortion, or same sex marriage.

Another bad thing about unions, is their dues and excessive requirements for joining. Like the Screen Actor's Guild. Pretty much you have to be a producer's whore, literally, or get three of these golden tickets which are randomly handed out as an extra Then the one time join fee and annual dues are outrageous. So you're a starving inspiring actor, who pays your life blood, for the mere privilege of letting us help you. Many unions are no better, and some ways worse than the Mafia.

So no, I am 100% against unions. But I am 100% in favor of worker cooperatives and workers getting employee stock ownership plans as a step closer towards worker's rights.
 
Unclebaldrick

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Buddha2525 said:
I had a very nice day, thank you. Went out with the family. Got a bite to eat.

My job is actually fairly easy. I get paid to give psudo-Buddhist bullshit, so that companies can feel good about taking advantage of their employees. "Hey, we don't exploit you, we're not some sort of sweat shop. Go on your day off to a meditation seminar (by me)" When in reality, they are a sweat shop, but, admitting such hurts their feels. Shrug.
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I have a certain sort of admiration for people who know that they are frauds but can still manage to continue on. My heart wouldn't be in it. I guess there are a lot of people like you or the Republican party would not exist in it's current iteration.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Unclebaldrick said:
I have a certain sort of admiration for people who know that they are frauds but can still manage to continue on. My heart wouldn't be in it. I guess there are a lot of people like you or the Republican party would not exist in it's current iteration.
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Would it help to say I'm sorry for the "bleeding hearts comment?" Because otherwise, based on my posts here, I don't get where you think I'm a Republican? I can get emotional at times, because I feel many of you are jerks, and don't practice what you preach as a so called self professed liberals. When you guys want a better world, but shame anyone if they dare say they voted for Trump. When the vote is only between Trump and Hillary, both are idiots, what do you do? Btw, I didn't vote for president, since the best I could do was abstain from any of them.

See, it's not my fault there's idiots. It would be more of a shame not to use my skills, even though I know what they're doing is ultimately wrong. What am I supposed to do, let me and my family starve? I tell the truth as much as possible when at a job.

Right now there's a big fad for all that's mystical, far eastern, new age, and mindfulness hocus pocus. There's not much call for actual truth, and instead what feels good. If I said all you need is faith in Amitabha Buddha and call out his name, think positive, control your emotions, have fun, don't fuck people over, and live a godly life, no one would take me serious.

But the moment you give it a bunch of fancy names like: dharma, eight fold path, sit this certain way, or chant Aum, all of a sudden people get suckered in.

If that helps people to think about being a decent human being, even superficially, then I've done a good thing.

I have to first start with what the world is, before I can change it to how we could make it how it should.

Growing up as the uncool Buddhist kid about 30 years ago, I was horribly made fun of. Everyone from where I was from was a Christian. In just these last few years, changes have been drastic. I'm no longer the only one who doesn't eat meat, it didn't matter before I said it was my religion. They didn't care.

So isn't it rather funny a religion you grew up with, can actually make you a bit of cash? Many of those Christian kids are probably now complaining about God, and how it messed them up, emotionally.

Could Buddhism Help Your Business?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/beth-burgess/could-buddhism-help-your-business_b_4537135.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=bgmGs1c5g_IQOGRePFFZDw
 
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Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
Would it help to say I'm sorry for the "bleeding hearts comment?" Because otherwise, based on my posts here, I don't get where you think I'm a Republican? I can get emotional at times, because I feel many of you are jerks, and don't practice what you preach as a so called self professed liberals. When you guys want a better world, but shame anyone if they dare say they voted for Trump. When the vote is only between Trump and Hillary, both are idiots, what do you do? Btw, I didn't vote for president, since the best I could do was abstain from any of them.

See, it's not my fault there's idiots. It would be more of a shame not to use my skills, even though I know what they're doing is ultimately wrong. What am I supposed to do, let me and my family starve? I tell the truth as much as possible when at a job.

Right now there's a big fad for all that's mystical, far eastern, new age, and mindfulness hocus pocus. There's not much call for actual truth, and instead what feels good. If I said all you need is faith in Amitabha Buddha and call out his name, think positive, control your emotions, have fun, don't fuck people over, and live a godly life, no one would take me serious.

But the moment you give it a bunch of fancy names like: dharma, eight fold path, sit this certain way, or chant Aum, all of a sudden people get suckered in.

If that helps people to think about being a decent human being, even superficially, then I've done a good thing.

I have to first start with what the world is, before I can change it to how we could make it how it should.

Growing up as the uncool Buddhist kid about 30 years ago, I was horribly made fun of. Everyone from where I was from was a Christian. In just these last few years, changes have been drastic. I'm no longer the only one who doesn't eat meat, it didn't matter before I said it was my religion. They didn't care.

So isn't it rather funny a religion you grew up with, can actually make you a bit of cash? Many of those Christian kids are probably now complaining about God, and how it messed them up, emotionally.

Could Buddhism Help Your Business?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/beth-burgess/could-buddhism-help-your-business_b_4537135.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=bgmGs1c5g_IQOGRePFFZDw
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Mormons and many evangelist Christians say the same thing about how religion helps a person make money. Mormons celebrate it. So now I hear a Buddhist say the same thing. I find that people infected with religion are more compliant but not very creative. They make good tools for authoritarians to exploit.

I still don't know what you are suggesting regarding a living wage. Nor your objectives either.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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xox said:
unionizing is the only way to achieve a living wage (with a pension). not to mention actively organizing new companies that come into your local area that do the same type of work that you do that way you can protect the current companies you work for that are signatory to your local union that way other companies cannot underbid by paying poverty wages and putting you on the couch. although this is harder to do the larger the geographical area/population. just my two cents.
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THIS.
 
gwheels

gwheels

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How about fuck the living wage and have free health care and education :D

But I just realized the intelligent will rise to the top.

Do you think the masses that are dumb as dirt should get paid well? because I believe that is an ism I will get wrong.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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The point of a living wage is to hopefully break the circle of poverty. Providing a permanent home and proper hygiene and other things necessary to find and keep a job. Free healthcare and an education are part of the package. Am I for this? I don’t know if I like the ideal of paying for someone else not to work by choice, I also don’t think I could feel good just sitting around getting paid while others work to fund my choice. Tough choice lol.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Budley Doright said:
The point of a living wage is to hopefully break the circle of poverty. Providing a permanent home and proper hygiene and other things necessary to find and keep a job. Free healthcare and an education are part of the package. Am I for this? I don’t know if I like the ideal of paying for someone else not to work by choice, I also don’t think I could feel good just sitting around getting paid while others work to fund my choice. Tough choice lol.
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Are you talking universal wage or liveable wage?
If your talking a universal wage then by choosing to not work you are helping someone who needs the extra money find work.
If your talking a liveable wage then I don't see how you are paying anything to them? That's their employer and if they couldn't earn more than they are paid then the job wouldn't exist.
 
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