Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

WANT SOME OPINIONS FROM YOU GUYS !

I currently growing RED CLOVER, should be done in a few weeks??i think, I want the phytoestrogens from this plant..... In your opinion what would the best way to extract (SIMPLY & NO CHEMICALS) this out of my plant matter !??????

spiked1 said:

That's why I aerate my water. Haven't heard of Ca02 so I'll check it out, but does it affect the benificial mycrobes?

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Here is a commercial product.. http://www.environmental-expert.com/STSE_resulteach_product.aspx?cid=8491&idprofile=1717&idproduct=16716

So eza, how did that amazing plant go.
I experimented with a tanning light, 5x 25cm tubes putting out 290 to 400 nm on a lowrider 2 but it got severely sunburnt from too much exposure, then I accidently mixed it in with other buds so not sure if it worked

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Thats alot of UV spiked, how far above was that? I'm not surprised by burning..

Even indoors I do organic and like to feed the soil and not the plant.
That's why I have my own worm farm and use Tarantula and Piranha with mollasses to help feed them.
I've been experimenting with feeding my worms certain foods high in either N,P or K.

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There is nothing wrong with salt based fertilizers if you know how to use them.. Organics are good for a plethora of micros, and naturally buffers against mistakes, but it ends up as salts eventually anyway..

I've been reading about Rock Juice.. It does look like a good product.. I can't find MSDS's or anything like that, but common belief is that it contains paclobutrazol.. Where I grew up there was a really short growing season, so ppl used 'paclo' in their gardens to kick off maturity.. Sometimes it backfired badly though.. Dunno if its timing or dosage problems, or what..
Paclobutrazol is rare in the sense that it can be effectively taken up through the roots due to its high polarity and solubility in water..
To my knowledge its merely a regulator via giberellin antagonism, and not an actual endogenous hormone, but I could be wrong..
Dave, you don't 'need' additives.. If this is your first go, then you might want to keep it simple, then play around later..

I currently growing RED CLOVER, should be done in a few weeks??i think, I want the phytoestrogens from this plant..... In your opinion what would the best way to extract (SIMPLY & NO CHEMICALS) this out of my plant matter !??????

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And eza, good luck with that extraction.. Might I suggest fine tweezers, and a good magnifying glass to hunt down/nab those estrogen molecules?..

born2killspam said:

And eza, good luck with that extraction.. Might I suggest fine tweezers, and a good magnifying glass to hunt down/nab those estrogen molecules?..

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ROFL, B2kill....very funny !
Come on I know you would have simple extraction thoughts ! Getting this outta that ! Or is that penatrating thoughts ???!!! LOL
It seems as though the goodies come out through a boiling process. (this is what has been suggested for the human consumption)

--- DISASTER-----------ALMOST!
I went outside this morning to check girls (which were fine yesterday at 12) Its had rained last night (not very heavy) but enough to wiegh down half the buds on bonsi and Mrs bigs -- to fall over and NEARLY snap off....
After about an hour of FURTHER tieing they are good !
But looks like a spider web of tires and wire ! - I have never had a outdoor plant fall over !
will update photos ! soon !

hate to think if I had a field of this strain ! and it rained?? youd be fucked ! - And where would you tie it to the clouds ??

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eza82 said:

THANX PROFFESOR !
was unsure of dose rates....... I have too many different stratergies !
thanx for your opinion !

This stuff is crazy, (h2o2) i will be wearing gloves in future !
The other was FULVIC aciid, luckly didnt not get any on my self........ but that stuff smells like it woiuld melt your face off....

applyed the fulvic outdoors, plants reacted like an `over watering" the apical tips..... new leaf / smaller leaf has swollen up.

And have put more of there stink on !!!

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The dosage at 3% is 30ml H2O2 per gallon of water for plants in all stages of growth, the industrial stuff claims 1 drop per gallon is their dosage rate, amateurs. I wish American Chemical still sold food grade H2O2 to the public.

hows mrs big doin???? just thought id ask its been a little since they broke

Jester88 said:

hows mrs big doin???? just thought id ask its been a little since they broke

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great.... base ball bat bud! hERE WE COME !
GET SOME PHOTOS FOR YA ! aNOTHER COULE OF DAYS ! THEY ARE LOOKIN PERRRTTTTTYYYYYYYY!



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dID YOU GUYS SEE ALL THE wires ?????

In my persuit of PHYTOESTROGENS ...... here is my RED clover just sprouted...2days !

THERE HERE ! THERE HERE! -NOW TO GERM!

so why do you buy feminised seeds after all that work making normal seeds female ??

LOl...Have a need for some soild genes and mothers !

Then you should buy regular seeds, and select quality females.. Feminized seeds are lower genetic quality by crop growing and breeding standards..

this is a first from bought seed.... I just need some mothers for cuttings !
Im a cutings guy/ hate seed - irregularity ....... ill stick with my family strain for majority! these are for personal - Your right ... if they are bad beans !
i can still create hermi ??
+ i only bought 1 bean of most except the lemon skunk and AMS... i wasnt sure they would get through !

Im breeding chillis though !

About H2O2 and Microbes...

H2O2 is not bad for all Microbes, merely a lot of them, especially those that are easily cultured and used in hydro products because of their cheaper cost compared to specialized aerobic microbes. The added oxygen from H2O2 will actually help feed aerobic beneficials, such as those found in properly aerated compost tea.

I run several large perpetual organic setups using enriched soil as the only source of nutrition, I feed 30ml H2O2 in every gallon of water, for every stage of plant life. One of the larger benefits is H2O2s ability to keep your plant from becoming waterlogged in a wet medium, which allows for less individual adjusting of drip lines.

My LA FEMME plants are now starting to show preflowers.
5 have clearly visible pistols and 5 are undetermined, but it's likely I'll know soon.

Hey eza, how did your harvest go, thursday was D day from memory.
Mine are at 41 days since 12/12 so maybe an easter harvest for some, but I have some sativas that look like they'll take another 10 weeks the way they are going.
Here's some pics of my Durban Poison x Skunk no.1 that I crossed with PPP, Pure Power Plant from nirvana, at 41 days.

Some lowryder2 I crossed with Durban Poison x Skunk no,1.
These are the ones I used La Femme on and resulted in 20 females and 1 male.
Unfortunately my veg room was getting too crowded so I stuck them at the back of my flowering room, so they only get 12/12 now and arern't directly under the lights so yeild will be reduced.