Lucky Luke
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As in Grain alcohol. Its a Liquid not a gas.
You can use ethanol as a extraction liquid, couldn't you then use it to make your shatter more viscous?
Homemade oil for my vape pen
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You can use ethanol as a extraction liquid, couldn't you then use it to make your shatter more viscous?
NugHeuser
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No idea, I'm new to all this. But I "cooked" that stuff for at east an hour while rattling that syringe vigorously inside the shot glass and even turned the heat way up at the end and still wasn't able to get my shatter to fully break down. Little chunks of it floating around in the tanks.
Tstat
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I posted this over on fuckcumbustion yesterday. I make mine with shatter and Wax Liquidizer. I also add a TINY amount of terps. I love it, it's discreet, easy, and potent. My problem is finding pens that don't leak all over.
I make the shatter first (Everclear) and then place 1 gram into a large sized dram with 2 mils of Wax Liquidizer and a 1/2 a drop of lemon terp. I make sure the cap is nice and tight and then I fill a coffee cup with a little water, enough to submerge the dram up to the liquid. I place it in the microwave for 30 seconds at a time, until the shatter has mixed completely with the Liquidizer.
So, I got a Rubi pen in the mail just now and it's charging. I have the tank filled and everything looks good. I did have someone tell me this about the Rubi, however:
"I have not had my Rubi leak but in all honesty it sucks with what you are making for it. I actually have the same mix and just don't get great hits out of it. My 1st tank made gurgling noises every hit , my second tank I made just never put out good vapor. I think the carts are not designed for our thc ejuice as i have read around the web and many had the same issue. I'm wishing you luck though , maybe they re-did the tanks , mine are from when it 1st came out. Please post some results ."
I am hoping that it may have something to do with the quality of the concentrate. I have had some that was really cloudy with shit floating in it. This shatter came out very pure, if not a tad dark. It dabs nicely!
I make the shatter first (Everclear) and then place 1 gram into a large sized dram with 2 mils of Wax Liquidizer and a 1/2 a drop of lemon terp. I make sure the cap is nice and tight and then I fill a coffee cup with a little water, enough to submerge the dram up to the liquid. I place it in the microwave for 30 seconds at a time, until the shatter has mixed completely with the Liquidizer.
So, I got a Rubi pen in the mail just now and it's charging. I have the tank filled and everything looks good. I did have someone tell me this about the Rubi, however:
"I have not had my Rubi leak but in all honesty it sucks with what you are making for it. I actually have the same mix and just don't get great hits out of it. My 1st tank made gurgling noises every hit , my second tank I made just never put out good vapor. I think the carts are not designed for our thc ejuice as i have read around the web and many had the same issue. I'm wishing you luck though , maybe they re-did the tanks , mine are from when it 1st came out. Please post some results ."
I am hoping that it may have something to do with the quality of the concentrate. I have had some that was really cloudy with shit floating in it. This shatter came out very pure, if not a tad dark. It dabs nicely!
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Tstat
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This morning from my FC post:
So, it got here this morning. I charged it for an hour, primed the tank, and gave it a shot!
I am happy to report (granted, after only 5 hits) that this thing is ripping for me! Seriously nice clouds if I pull harder and softer vape-type clouds with a short draw. It's cool as shit, too. No gurgle sound, and no leaks- so far
I just hope I don't loose that tiny silicone plug, lol.
I'm heading to Block Island for a couple of days of "work" tomorrow, so it will be a good test for it.
So, it got here this morning. I charged it for an hour, primed the tank, and gave it a shot!
I am happy to report (granted, after only 5 hits) that this thing is ripping for me! Seriously nice clouds if I pull harder and softer vape-type clouds with a short draw. It's cool as shit, too. No gurgle sound, and no leaks- so far
I just hope I don't loose that tiny silicone plug, lol.I'm heading to Block Island for a couple of days of "work" tomorrow, so it will be a good test for it.
Dr.J20
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Hey sorry for the lapse in my response, but I've not been able to get a clean emulsion without the rotary tool. The folks over at skunkpharm use some laboratory quality equipment for this step, but the rotary tool (e.g., Dremel brand) works fine for personal batch makers. It takes me a good 20 to 30 minutes of whipping to get the QWET and PG/VG to emulsify.
NugHeuser
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My liquid has all turned green every time I've tried, I even got a hand mixer, have only mixed with that for a handful of minutes though. So why would it be coming out lime green? The shatter didn't have any plant material in it, I used 120 micron squish bags. It tastes like shit too. I've gotten the water boiling and ive tried it only hot to the touch as well. I gotta be missing an important step.Hey sorry for the lapse in my response, but I've not been able to get a clean emulsion without the rotary tool. The folks over at skunkpharm use some laboratory quality equipment for this step, but the rotary tool (e.g., Dremel brand) works fine for personal batch makers. It takes me a good 20 to 30 minutes of whipping to get the QWET and PG/VG to emulsify.
NugHeuser
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7k to get started?
So what kind of equipment is it thats needed? What's the process?
too larry
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Not sure just what is involved. I think that is big enough scale to do a couple three hundred carts per run. The pictures posted on IG are trays of finished carts, not the filling process.
somedude584
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I had this problem with some 0% nic vape juice I used. 65%/35% VG to PG. I haven't had any problems with PEG, but am having a hard time getting vape pens to hit properly at a 3:1 ratio.
somedude584
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Use an electric heat plate with a magnetic stirrer. I paid $90 something on Amazon and it works great.Hey sorry for the lapse in my response, but I've not been able to get a clean emulsion without the rotary tool. The folks over at skunkpharm use some laboratory quality equipment for this step, but the rotary tool (e.g., Dremel brand) works fine for personal batch makers. It takes me a good 20 to 30 minutes of whipping to get the QWET and PG/VG to emulsify.
somedude584
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You can get started for a lot less than that. All you need is a magnetic stirrer, winterized shatter (the fats cause problems in the carts), some syringes, terps, and small beaker columns and you can easily do batches of 300 carts at a time. 1 cart is typically .5ml, so at a 2:1 ratio you'll typically get 6 carts per gram of concentrate.
I'm just getting into it now working to find a wholesale buyer, but you'll take a while to get the hang of things. Even at $10/cart you're getting $60/gram of concentrate, like the good ole days. From everything I've read, the margins are insane. 5lbs of bud can be turned into 20-30k worth of carts at wholesale.
Breakdown of costs in my case:
$95 for magnetic hot plate stirrer
$7 for extra stir bars
$9 for a cheap beaker set
$10 for some blunt tipped syringes with mL markings
$45 for 2ml of terps (good for about 32-64 grams of concentrate)
$50 for 25 cartridges to start out with, here things are a bit tricky, but when purchasing 100+ you can find carts for $.75-1.25. I'm looking for a good wholesale brand, if anyone knows of any, please chime in.
NugHeuser
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This is exactly the post I've been looking for!
So I bet the reasons why my carts are coming lime green in color probably has to do with the winterizing. I've heard about winterizing but never paid any attention to it, I'll look it up.
A magnetic stirrer? Never heard of that but I'll look into that too.
Right now I have a cheap battery operated mixer that slows down quite a bit if I completely submerge it. I've been doing the double boiler thing but it's kind of a pain. Trying to keep a shot glass balanced on chop sticks inside a pot of hot water.
What range do you keep your temps at?
I'm trying to get my carts to come out comparable to the ones on the market, like the 'High Society' are pretty popular in my area. Everyone is paying 40 bucks per cart.
Where do you buy your terps from? This gives it that lung squeezing taste that these "professional" carts are puting out?
So far my carts(about 20 unfortunately) all taste like shit and the oil is lime green.
So you do a 2:1 mixture, pg/vg:concentrate?
I was thinking maybe I didn't have enough concentrate in there and started trying 1:1 but it still didn't fix the taste.
I bought my tanks from vapesociety.com
They were pricey though, I think 5 bucks a piece.
Where have you been getting all of them?
I appreciate you taking the time to reply on this! I've been pretty stuck on it and was starting to think that my rosin press and everything was a waste of money.
somedude584
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It may have to do with the starting material you're working with. I use clean, amber shatter I make myself.
Magnetic stirrer is a must.
Temps 160-190, 30 mins.
I'm just now starting to experiment with terps. I'm trying True Terpenes out, you can find them on Amazon. FOGG is a cheaper cannabis specific profile also on Amazon, but I'm not sure about quality of them. Denver Terpenes is another reputable source in addition to True Terpenes.
True Terps took forever to mail my stuff out and I sent Laine (their PR guy, I guess) a text that I was unhappy and they offered to ship me a free 2ml bottle with my next purchase.
I'm using PEG 400, it's neither PG or VG. My one experiment with a mix of PG and VG (premade vape juice) didn't turn out well, so I think the PEG 400 is probably the best and cheapest, but other more experienced people feel free to chime in on that.
I guess the preferred method is to use distillate, as it's just a more refined concentrate and results in a higher THC value in the cartridges, but I don't have the cash atm the buy a setup for distillate so I'm just using my winterized BHO which has given fine results.
NugHeuser
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Yeah I'll be getting a magnetic stirrer and giving it another go.
As far as my concentrate, I'm just using a 12 ton press with 120 micron squish bags.
How would I winterize my shatter? Just mix the shatter with alcohol and freeze at least a day then filter through coffee filters?
Would there be much of a difference in using concentrate via rosin press vs bho?
somedude584
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I don't fuck with rosin so I can't answer that question, but as far as winterizing goes you want to reduce your ethanol (190 proof) and concentrate mix to as low a temperature as possible so that the fats coagulate, and then strain that through equally cold filters. From the experimenting I've done with PEG 400 so far, I do think I'll be amending my mix to perhaps a mix of PEG/VG/PG and I'll also be experimenting with a pre mixed liquidizer (not ej mix) in addition to adding terpenes.
NugHeuser
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I have 91% rubbing alcohol, will that cut it?
I guess the question is would the shatter completely dissolve back out when mixed with the alcohol and froze.
somedude584
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Definitely do not use rubbing alcohol...
Ethanol is your best bet. Everclear 190 proof is perfect.
NugHeuser
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This Is probably a stupid question..
Ethonol, is it the same thing as the Ethonol gasoline from the gas stations?