Hermies, most have no idea!!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphroditus

Hermes and Aphrodite had a baby boy, he became one with the nymph salmasis after she prayed they be united forever.

I just had this strain that threw some banana flowers normally at the end of flower, this last one really went crazy though about 30 days in, lots of seeds and pollen and new sacks everywhere.

Sooooooo I chopped her down and got over 4oz off of her in 30 days from switch. After drying and curing it still tastes and smells great!



The only reason I chopped and didn't run it is the number of new sacks that had developed was ridiculous and plus I needed some smoke anyway.

I'll get 25-50 seeds out of my other plants now because of it though. I would've got 8-10 oz off of that plant but then I would have 200 seeds all over and i didn't want that.

907cannabis said:

I just had this strain that threw some banana flowers normally at the end of flower, this last one really went crazy though about 30 days in, lots of seeds and pollen and new sacks everywhere.

Sooooooo I chopped her down and got over 4oz off of her in 30 days from switch. After drying and curing it still tastes and smells great!

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The only reason I chopped and didn't run it is the number of new sacks that had developed was ridiculous and plus I needed some smoke anyway.

I'll get 25-50 seeds out of my other plants now because of it though. I would've got 8-10 oz off of that plant but then I would have 200 seeds all over and i didn't want that.

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Some do need killing if they are that bad

I just trimmed and jarred the plant I had the nanner outbreak with but only the 1 seed I saw and left to mature on the plant was found.

Plenty of missed nanners but small and immature. The breeder told me he has trouble getting viable pollen with these.

I didn’t break open any lower buds as I was weighing after I finished trimming but I expect to find more seeds. They like to hide out in the lowers. The pollen falls down there.

The one strain I had threw bananas a lot and they had good pollen in them, gorilla glue on the other hand throws balls sometimes. It is a true hermie, this one I can handle cause I can see the balls and chop them before they open.

The nanners get to open without me knowing it and usually cause seeds on top my buds. A lot if I let them.

Gg#4 showing its male parts

907cannabis said:

The one strain I had threw bananas a lot and they had good pollen in them, gorilla glue on the other hand throws balls sometimes. It is a true hermie, this one I can handle cause I can see the balls and chop them before they open.

The nanners get to open without me knowing it and usually cause seeds on top my buds. A lot if I let them.

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Nanners don’t open. They are already active. They are what is inside the balls already. If you see one it may have already dropped pollen.

Still it isn’t always viable pollen.

MichiganMedGrower said:

The breeder told me he has trouble getting viable pollen with these.

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Usually breeders don't use pollen from nanners it's bad practice. It's like sprinkling hermie genes in your pool, they don't come out. If they use hermie pollen it's from a stressed plant and usually only to back cross and not the initial breed. This is what I understand anyway.

907cannabis said:

Usually breeders don't use pollen from nanners it's bad practice. It's like sprinkling hermie genes in your pool, they don't come out. If they use hermie pollen it's from a stressed plant and usually only to back cross and not the initial breed. This is what I understand anyway.

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I didn’t say he uses nanners. The breeder at ch9 actually is one of the early feminized breeders and uses STS to reverse plants.

And no it is not like “sprinkling hermie genes” at all. STS stops ethylene production which causes plants to grow male parts instead.

All of the plants can reverse. There is no special gene.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Nanners don’t open. They are already active. They are what is inside the balls already. If you see one it may have already dropped pollen.

Still it isn’t always viable pollen.

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I know what you mean the part inside is the nanner, I spot them before they open inside my buds. They are not the same as a true hermie plant from what I understand.

907cannabis said:

I know what you mean the part inside is the nanner, I spot them before they open inside my buds. They are not the same as a true hermie plant from what I understand.

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You are right. A hermaphrodite would grow male and female parts all over from the beginning of bloom.

And yeah inside the “balls” are a bunch of nanners. Sometimes they grow in bunches without the ball too.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I didn’t say he uses nanners. The breeder at ch9 actually is one of the early feminized breeders and uses STS to reverse plants.

And no it is not like “sprinkling hermie genes” at all. STS stops ethylene production which causes plants to grow male parts instead.

All of the plants can reverse. There is no special gene.

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There are genetic hermaphrodites, you need to research more. There is a sensitivity gene.

Gg4 has it in the genes to be hermie sensitive they even give a warning on the pack.

So you are right too though I guess it's not a "hermie gene" it's a sensitivity factor determined by genes?

I read this and it's just someone's opinion but he seems correct.

The difference between genetic hermaphrodites & stress herms is readily apparent, imo, as well.
Genetic encoded hermaphrodites will throw balls (entire male flowers) while stress herms only show the nannas (often protruding from female bracts).

This is in my experience correct. My
Gg4 throws full on male parts below buds and others just single flowers protruding from inside a bud.

I'd say it's rare to have a true hermie, I've only had two in 15 years and both of them recently. I've had nanners a lot and they seem so different, the pollen isn't as viable either.

I used to have a ceramic heating bulb light inside my tent that caused a lot of hermies. I was going crazy until I noticed it. The bulb emitted a faint red light while plants were sleeping. This helped me deal with "hermies". It was almost always bananas for me (only had 3 ball sac plants, and like 15 banana plants). But I still smoked all the buds. I got rid of the bananas and kept growing my plants. Some of them were really tasty, it was as good or even better than non seeded plants, believe me or not. At the very least, you won't notice any difference in taste or quality, assuming you don't have a bud full of developed seeds. Seeds taste like shit as you all know.

I got to the point where I don't care if I get hermies anymore. I will usually get rid of bananas or male ball sacs. Bananas can be hidden everywhere inside buds, but it's not that bad to get a few seeds. I see a lot of people chopping plants. People that could have some nice herb but decided to get rid of it because hermies are considered a failure/not worth growing. A few seeds won't ruin your crop. Just by being a bit more careful you can still pull really good herb.

Just my opinion.

907cannabis said:

Gg4 has it in the genes to be hermie sensitive they even give a warning on the pack.

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Of course it is a sour diesel hybrid which comes from chemdog which is a bagseed plant.

I grow diesel/ Thai hybrids and they can be sensitive to nutes. Nanners will show but leach the pot and feed proper and they don’t come back.

I wouldn’t bother with a seed pack that warns of nanners. None of those seeds will likely be the actual gg4. Just touchy diesel hybrids.

Sounds like pollen chucked s-1’s.

907cannabis said:

There are genetic hermaphrodites, you need to research more. There is a sensitivity gene.

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We were talking about females reversing and showing nanners or balls. Hermaphrodites are already coded that way.

The whole gene thing is not how it works. The plant has the ability to reverse. All of them do. The “sensitivity” is strain and breeding dependent. Stress can halt ethylene production which is the hormone that makes the plant produce female flowers.

Easy to stabilize by back crossing so stress won’t turn them but the best plants are riskier f-1’s in my opinion. With the bad traits tends to come the good ones.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Of course it is a sour diesel hybrid which comes from chemdog which is a bagseed plant.

I grow diesel/ Thai hybrids and they can be sensitive to nutes. Nanners will show but leach the pot and feed proper and they don’t come back.

I wouldn’t bother with a seed pack that warns of nanners. None of those seeds will likely be the actual gg4. Just touchy diesel hybrids.

Sounds like pollen chucked s-1’s.

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It may not be gg4, but whatever it is it's close and I like it! I didn't know it was related to chem that's one of my favs. Makes sense though.

It's a perfect example of the herm sensitivity gene though, if she isn't happy she turns into the devil himself lol.

907cannabis said:

So you are right too though I guess it's not a "hermie gene" it's a sensitivity factor determined by genes?

I read this and it's just someone's opinion but he seems correct.

The difference between genetic hermaphrodites & stress herms is readily apparent, imo, as well.
Genetic encoded hermaphrodites will throw balls (entire male flowers) while stress herms only show the nannas (often protruding from female bracts).

This is in my experience correct. My
Gg4 throws full on male parts below buds and others just single flowers protruding from inside a bud.

I'd say it's rare to have a true hermie, I've only had two in 15 years and both of them recently. I've had nanners a lot and they seem so different, the pollen isn't as viable either.

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They can grow balls just from stress too. A hermie is already going to grow both parts from the beginning.

She smells like diesel and shit sometimes lol like in a good way tho

MichiganMedGrower said:

They can grow balls just from stress too. A hermie is already going to grow both parts from the beginning.

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Yea I got it, I understand. But like you said it's not a "hermie gene" it's a sensitivity and some plants are more sensitive so they become hermie earlier on in life.

In essence it is the genes causing it to happen in some plants and other strains that take mass stress it's obviously not the case.