HERMIE?? Or... Calyxs?

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Here's a thread on hermies and trying to control them with Dutch Master Reverse Dragon.


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Miniweed94 said:

This is week 2 of flowering. Plant is extremely healthy. DWC Hydroponic, Jack's 321, 5.8-6.2 ph, with 50%RH. I've noticed these sacs? Or, calyxs? Completely unsure, but it seems that some of them are popping hairs. Wait it out, or should I pluck em? 1 plant by itself. Here are some photos.View attachment 4573586View attachment 4573587View attachment 4573588View attachment 4573590

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Nice healthy looking plant but defiantly a hermie. My condolences.

What part of get good and learn a strain are you struggling with.

The idiot i replied to was suggesting if you grow or breed bag seed you get herms.

KingQuazy said:

"Hermaphroditism can have 2 origins: genetic and environmental."

Marijuana and hermaphroditism

Many growers have been surprised to have hermaphroditic cannabis plants in their crops. In this post we explain how to detect them and what to do in the event that a hermaphrodite plant appears in your crop, as well as what are the causes that usually accompany this hermaphroditism.

www.alchimiaweb.com

Go have yourself several fucking seats.

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2Hearts said:

What part of get good and learn a strain are you struggling with.

The idiot i replied to was suggesting if you grow or breed bag seed you get herms.

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Not quite what I was referring to but I am very sorry to have upset you to this extent. What I was talking about is when a female plant self-pollinates itself by throwing pollen sacks in addition to its female calyxes (hermaphrodite), the seeds that result have a 50% chance of having the herm gene and 50 % chance of being female. I absolutely could be incorrect about this and apparently upset you quite a bit, so I apologize, I guess.

Also, if you honestly don’t see both male and female parts in the first 2 pictures, I honestly don’t know what to say. Calyxes simply don’t stack like that at the nodes. The other pics I can’t see as well, but those first 2 pictures are so clearly displaying calyxes and pollen sacks

It would be well documented if a selfed seed had 50% chance of being a hermie.

We know what hermies are and we know a lot are confusing genetics with complete guesswork under the influence of cannabis.

FlyHigh589 said:

Not quite what I was referring to but I am very sorry to have upset you to this extent. What I was talking about is when a female plant self-pollinates itself by throwing pollen sacks in addition to its female calyxes (hermaphrodite), the seeds that result have a 50% chance of having the herm gene and 50 % chance of being female. I absolutely could be incorrect about this and apparently upset you quite a bit, so I apologize, I guess.

Also, if you honestly don’t see both male and female parts in the first 2 pictures, I honestly don’t know what to say. Calyxes simply don’t stack like that at the nodes. The other pics I can’t see as well, but those first 2 pictures are so clearly displaying calyxes and pollen sacks

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2Hearts said:

Its a lovely female plant that might have thrown the odd pollen sac from touch of stress, its common for cannabis to do this in all regs autos and fems but the better growers find it dosent happen or very much.

You should keep it and finish it and even grow any seed you get. Hermies arent bred, you learn a strain and get good and it will stop happening - just look at all the fem seed growers here or bag seed pollen chuckers getting seedless bud after ten twenty years growing that when started got herms too.

Its a little stretched otherwise great job.

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Thanks! I check my EC, ph and water levels twice a day and adjust accordingly. Conditions have been well maintained throughout its life. Its ran on the cooler side of 70-75 degrees, with 66 to 68 at night. When I flowered it, it was roughly 18in tall and bushy (attached photo) The mars hydro ts1000 light has been roughly 12in away at all times and it still stretched. I cant keep it away from the light. It grows ridiculously fast at 3in a day roughly (maybe because I have 8-9gal of root space with awesome airstone flow from a good air pump, combined with the Jack's nutes and supplemental silica) Now my light is at the top of the tent and Its been several inches away, pushing 52in. I might have to try pulling stems to the side to force low stress bending I guess (one night it grew so quick it bent over into the light, no burn yet as my ventilation keeps the lights cool) today I decided I would pluck all the bananas without pistils and also plucked the clusters. There weren't a ton, but took some time, but got them all. None of them were mature enough to have pollen. I will update as I go, thanks all for the insights. Next run I plan to scrog with more lights, in hopes of controlling stretch and having better light coverage to the bud sites.

Bruce Jenner plant ... sorry

Your plants look nice, the one thats touching the lights just bend the top branches at a point lower on the stem but try not to snap any. Its drastic but if you need the space its what i do an the earlier the better.

Ask others in a thread for other advice but there are options.

2Hearts said:

Your plants look nice, the one thats touching the lights just bend the top branches at a point lower on the stem but try not to snap any. Its drastic but if you need the space its what i do an the earlier the better.

Ask others in a thread for other advice but there are options.

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I will have to give that a try tomarrow. Just the one plant in a 4x4. I have 2 fem Skywalker's in early veg in a separate room.
For example of how fast it's been growing, first photo is a month from 1st day veg and each photo is 1 week apart with the last photo taken the 20th at a little over 1 week flowering.
1st photo 18in
2nd photo 36in
3rd photo 48in
Current 52+inches not including the tote, this is from the base of the stalk

Flower earlier possibly reduce the final height. It probably stretch in flower some but it gives you an idea of adjustments for next grow. Always topping and running more smalker plants to keep height down.

You not far off a really good grow and a ton of bud, pretty sure you will get there soon.

Miniweed94 said:

I will have to give that a try tomarrow. Just the one plant in a 4x4. I have 2 fem Skywalker's in early veg in a separate room.
For example of how fast it's been growing, first photo is a month from 1st day veg and each photo is 1 week apart with the last photo taken the 20th at a little over 1 week flowering.
1st photo 18in
2nd photo 36in
3rd photo 48in
Current 52+inches not including the tote, this is from the base of the stalk

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2Hearts said:

Flower earlier possibly reduce the final height. It probably stretch in flower some but it gives you an idea of adjustments for next grow. Always topping and running more smalker plants to keep height down.

You not far off a really good grow and a ton of bud, pretty sure you will get there soon.

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Agreed, I'll have to top next time and flower around 12in. This plant wasnt topped at all. Wanted to see how it went naturally, almost as a test subject to determine how to go about the next coming grows.

2Hearts said:

It would be well documented if a selfed seed had 50% chance of being a hermie.

We know what hermies are and we know a lot are confusing genetics with complete guesswork under the influence of cannabis.

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After doing some more reading on the topic, it appears the 50:50 part of my understanding must have been confused with something else I read. Basically, it seems that if the hermaphrodite comes from genetics, seeds produced often WILL pass that gene on and are generally considered unfit for breeding. However, many hermaphrodites likely do occur due to environmental stress and therefore wouldn’t have the herm gene present to pass on. My take-away, however, is that since it seems awfully difficult to tell the difference between a genetically caused herm from a stress induced herm, it’s probably not advisable to use any herm for breeding and to use the seeds only if no other option at the time exists. Again, very sorry to have offended you so much, and while I still believe the first 2 pictures had both male and female sex organs visible, I do think there is a good chance it could be stress induced. Hope everyone stays happy and healthy

I like that your trying stuff, seeing what hermies are and just taking your time to figure it all out.

Miniweed94 said:

Agreed, I'll have to top next time and flower around 12in. This plant wasnt topped at all. Wanted to see how it went naturally, almost as a test subject to determine how to go about the next coming grows.

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2Hearts said:

I like that your trying stuff, seeing what hermies are and just taking your time to figure it all out.

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Agreed, hands on experience is worth more than anyone can teach you. 5 years since I started and I still put aside X amount a week in experiment money and while most of my “projects” end in total losses, a few have made it all worthwhile and I’m ALWAYS learning and that keeps things fun and exciting still

FlyHigh589 said:

Agreed, hands on experience is worth more than anyone can teach you. 5 years since I started and I still put aside X amount a week in experiment money and while most of my “projects” end in total losses, a few have made it all worthwhile and I’m ALWAYS learning and that keeps things fun and exciting still

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Totally agree there, physically doing it will prove much more than anyone can tell you, unless they have done the same in the exact same conditions, which is slim. I plucked all the bananas without pistils, and plucked the clusters today. Have no idea what effect it will have, but my hypothesis is that if there is no pollen dropped, there shouldn't be any seeds. We will see how it goes. I still have another month or so until it's even ready for harvest.

You reading stuff written by stoners, no genetic scientist would ever agree with that utter rubbish. Why you think everyone asks if or when to flush, because enough rubbish has been written. Go write your opinion as well its free.

FlyHigh589 said:

After doing some more reading on the topic, it appears the 50:50 part of my understanding must have been confused with something else I read. Basically, it seems that if the hermaphrodite comes from genetics, seeds produced often WILL pass that gene on and are generally considered unfit for breeding. However, many hermaphrodites likely do occur due to environmental stress and therefore wouldn’t have the herm gene present to pass on. My take-away, however, is that since it seems awfully difficult to tell the difference between a genetically caused herm from a stress induced herm, it’s probably not advisable to use any herm for breeding and to use the seeds only if no other option at the time exists. Again, very sorry to have offended you so much, and while I still believe the first 2 pictures had both male and female sex organs visible, I do think there is a good chance it could be stress induced. Hope everyone stays happy and healthy

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People make a lot of things worse than they are, its not easy growing anyway got to expect mistakes and herms especially when starting. It will be fine, more looking forward to seeing those buds filling out.

Miniweed94 said:

Totally agree there, physically doing it will prove much more than anyone can tell you, unless they have done the same in the exact same conditions, which is slim. I plucked all the bananas without pistils, and plucked the clusters today. Have no idea what effect it will have, but my hypothesis is that if there is no pollen dropped, there shouldn't be any seeds. We will see how it goes. I still have another month or so until it's even ready for harvest.

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2Hearts said:

It would be well documented if a selfed seed had 50% chance of being a hermie.

We know what hermies are and we know a lot are confusing genetics with complete guesswork under the influence of cannabis.

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Nah you're fucking dense. 9/10 bagseed is hermaphrodite pollen. Whether it's a herm that snuck by, or a female that selfed. What part educate yourself before you start calling people's LOGICAL responses rubbish. Your advice here is rubbish. I have a fucking JUNGLE of bagseed going right now and the first to show sex was a male and the second a fucking herm.

Any regularly sexed seed is usually for breeding purposes, and the breeder wants to keep them. So just shut the fuck up with your illogical responses. Because it's all right there for people to see you looking dumb. Hermies are GENETIC FIRST, STRESS SECOND.

2Hearts said:

What part of get good and learn a strain are you struggling with.

The idiot i replied to was suggesting if you grow or breed bag seed you get herms.

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And what if he wants a different strain every time? You're just a fuck. That's it. Your SHIT responses here were the equivalent of asking for advice on a jumpshot and you come in here talking about fucking dribbling.

Like it or not , most beans have hermie in them period. The herm might not show in your setup but will show in others. Hermies come from genetics. Making the hermie come out and show itself might not be easy on some better genetics and others will show herm from a simple overfeeding or a green led light.
Go look into how long it takes to make a stable bean and then go look at the bean sites and see how many "new strains" they have for sale. A real breeder cannot make 300 new strains in a few months....impossible. So they do it anyways and now we have 299 new strains that are all hermie based.