Help with nutrients PLEASE :)

go organic for cheap,easy and better results
never tried but seen the outcome. changing over to organic once my current grow ends.
currently run
connoisseur a&b from advance nutrients

sure Ill keep a eye open for erros

btw
love bubbels .. damn now I think about it .. its a long time since I saw em on the telli .. guess the show dont runn anymore ?


about light .. do your research ..
im in Denmark (scandinavia) we dont have high temps .. but looking back I wish I had used the extra 30-40$ on a cool tube light ..
do help a lot with temps Im sure ..

and dont be "shy" when it comes to ventilation either .. use them extra few $ 20-40$ on a number bigger vent then you think might be enough ..
you will be happy you did .. dont do it half ..




25 clones !!! I hope your going for a scrog and flower them early (3-4 weeks or so)

200W Clf schould be ok for a littel bit .. a week or two Im sure .. but 25 plants .. screen of green or not you will soon need more to spred it out ..
a 400MH would be great ..


if it was me ...

(remember to make your own desission based on what your want)

I would for sure go for a cool tube .. and one who got a nice ballast .. eletronic .. use less energy and make less heat ..

and most importent one who can runn boath MH and HPS so you can switch and maybe even one who can switch between 250/400/600 and 1K wat. bulbs ..

I forgot what size room you have ?

but either a 600W or 2X 400W and Im leaning more to the 2X 400W if you have space .. but I guess you have with 25 clones comming

2x 400W MH/HPS would be great .. grow em as a screen of green .. maybe use 1 400W HM in the start .. 3 feet away .. in a few weeks boath .. move em down/let plants grow up ..

once you switch to 12/12 switch bulbs to HPS .. maybe runn one HPS and one MH the last week (somebody toald me its good for crystals)

btw

I had plenty to see to so fare and hands full sumtimes .. and I grow 2 big plants under a 600W HPS (in Veg under 300W T5HO)

so good luck .. might be a good idea to listen to that other guy .. tho Im sure a screen of green with 2x400W MH/HPS easily could grow half of em nicely ..

btw

you dont have 2 rooms do you ? could flower 20 of them early as a screen of green under one 400W HPS and then Veg the last 5 for the time it takes to flower them fist once then give the 5 big plants boath 400W lights .. just a thort ? dunno ?

so growing 2 with the 400 watt is gunna be a bigger yeild then keepng maybe 15 with 2 400watt? i kinda feel like i should keep a bit more , just cuz iv never done it before n feel like a could make a few errors ?? id love to have a few bushy plants

Slipon said:

sure Ill keep a eye open for erros

btw
love bubbels .. damn now I think about it .. its a long time since I saw em on the telli .. guess the show dont runn anymore ?


about light .. do your research ..
im in Denmark (scandinavia) we dont have high temps .. but looking back I wish I had used the extra 30-40$ on a cool tube light ..
do help a lot with temps Im sure ..

and dont be "shy" when it comes to ventilation either .. use them extra few $ 20-40$ on a number bigger vent then you think might be enough ..
you will be happy you did .. dont do it half ..




25 clones !!! I hope your going for a scrog and flower them early (3-4 weeks or so)

200W Clf schould be ok for a littel bit .. a week or two Im sure .. but 25 plants .. screen of green or not you will soon need more to spred it out ..
a 400MH would be great ..


if it was me ...

(remember to make your own desission based on what your want)

I would for sure go for a cool tube .. and one who got a nice ballast .. eletronic .. use less energy and make less heat ..

and most important one who can run both MH and HPS so you can switch and maybe even one who can switch between 250/400/600 and 1K wat. bulbs ..

I forgot what size room you have ?

but either a 600W or 2X 400W and Im leaning more to the 2X 400W if you have space .. but I guess you have with 25 clones comming

2x 400W MH/HPS would be great .. grow em as a screen of green .. maybe use 1 400W HM in the start .. 3 feet away .. in a few weeks boath .. move em down/let plants grow up ..

once you switch to 12/12 switch bulbs to HPS .. maybe runn one HPS and one MH the last week (somebody toald me its good for crystals)

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i tihnk im gunna go with the 2 400watts ebay has a great deal, i was gunna go with a 4 x 8 tent with good ventilation.. what kind of fan do u recommend??

also have smaller 2x2 tent sitting around for vegging if i want i guess

i can always get rid of a few clones or stick some out side
being the first time, i feel like im gunna make a few errors and may need more then 2 or 3 plants per 400 watt like the other guy has mentioned but then again i have never done it before.


seems liek its better to have a few nice bushy plants then having 20 decent size ones?

it will be a good first time experience thats for sure

when you say electronic ballast do u mean digital? im reading that the digital can mess with ur internet?

this is the one i was looking into

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/300715676382?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3119wt_950

yea that look great ..

2 of them and 8-12 plants under them will work great Im sure ..

I think reason why most Ppl. tell you not to go with 25 clones on your fist grow is that it might be to much for you to handle ..

I startet with 2 plants and I have had enough to do with smaller problems ..
+ all the work of moveing them around .. watering them aso.

agin .. if it was me I would put 4 plants under a 400W .. if you have 2 side by side I bet you could add 2-4 more inbetween (so 10-12 plants)

about ventilation .. sumthing like this



and a carbonfilter ..



for your size of room I would not go with the smallest (100mm)

maybe a 125mm or 150mm ..

specialy if you are going to have cooltubes and a lot of tubeing it have to pull the air trough ..

dunno .. dont use a cool tube ..

agin if it was me .. I go for the 150mm .. cost 10$ more then the 125mm ... but do some research ..

use the small 2x2 tent to start new plants and get em ready for the big tent .. use a small clf/T5
that way you can easily cut of a few weeks of your next grow ..

mancity1, Another Cannuck! Welcome to RIU. You have been given pretty sound advise, usually talking nutes it gets pretty ugly.

I don't know your knowledge base or level of experience, if you are newer than I would tell you to do some research on the different companies and their formulas. Pick a 2 or 3 part system and run a couple of crops with just that. This will tell you what deficiencies your strain has with said companies base nutes.

Each strain will react a little different a will require certain additives, no sense in wasting cash on stuff you may not even need. Most of the 2 and 3 part systems are made to work by themselves, the additives are for the people that want to dial their grow in a little more.

Additives like voodoo are quite expensive but IMO if used correctly can be applied once a cycle. One watering at the right time has can be very effective thus making that bottle last a long time.

I use AN 3 part with sensizym, voodoo. I use the voodoo once a cycle and sensizym once a week. Cheap,cheap with amazing results.

Pick up a grow bible to have on hand, it will clear up many issues for you.

Here's an online link to something similar: http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/cannabis-grow-bible.html

Good Luck

Slipon said:

yea that look great ..

2 of them and 8-12 plants under them will work great Im sure ..

I think reason why most Ppl. tell you not to go with 25 clones on your fist grow is that it might be to much for you to handle ..

I startet with 2 plants and I have had enough to do with smaller problems ..
+ all the work of moveing them around .. watering them aso.

agin .. if it was me I would put 4 plants under a 400W .. if you have 2 side by side I bet you could add 2-4 more inbetween (so 10-12 plants)

about ventilation .. sumthing like this

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and a carbonfilter ..

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for your size of room I would not go with the smallest (100mm)

maybe a 125mm or 150mm ..

specialy if you are going to have cooltubes and a lot of tubeing it have to pull the air trough ..

dunno .. dont use a cool tube ..

agin if it was me .. I go for the 150mm .. cost 10$ more then the 125mm ... but do some research ..

use the small 2x2 tent to start new plants and get em ready for the big tent .. use a small clf/T5
that way you can easily cut of a few weeks of your next grow ..

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okay awesome im gunan go with the item on ebay .. i got the nutrients from the store. hope they are the right ones, left the them in friends car , ill check em when i get home.. i didnt see the rip ill check another grow store next time i go to town

i heard the digital ballast can cause some interference ??

im gunna look into ventilation a bit more before i actually purchase it , checked at grow store but once again ebay had a way better price..

looking forward to this u have inspired me to mess around and try to get something that works for my self1

Sir.Ganga said:

mancity1, Another Cannuck! Welcome to RIU. You have been given pretty sound advise, usually talking nutes it gets pretty ugly.

I don't know your knowledge base or level of experience, if you are newer than I would tell you to do some research on the different companies and their formulas. Pick a 2 or 3 part system and run a couple of crops with just that. This will tell you what deficiencies your strain has with said companies base nutes.

Each strain will react a little different a will require certain additives, no sense in wasting cash on stuff you may not even need. Most of the 2 and 3 part systems are made to work by themselves, the additives are for the people that want to dial their grow in a little more.

Additives like voodoo are quite expensive but IMO if used correctly can be applied once a cycle. One watering at the right time has can be very effective thus making that bottle last a long time.

I use AN 3 part with sensizym, voodoo. I use the voodoo once a cycle and sensizym once a week. Cheap,cheap with amazing results.

Pick up a grow bible to have on hand, it will clear up many issues for you.

Here's an online link to something similar: http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/cannabis-grow-bible.html

Good Luck

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Lol thanks for welcome! i dont really have any knowledge
but im up for the challenge ,, im about to get a grow bible i think ur right it will help theres a lot to know

im taking a look into the stuff you have mentioned as well, id like to do my own experiments see what i come out with
i think im gunna go with what Slipon has recommended hes been a huge help, and its all about trial and error.

i think u guys are right just to go with something simple!

cheera

hey slipon

i do got 2 little babies going ,

one afghan kush n one super bud fem,

there about a week old from seed in cups , the bottom leafs r yellowing i just transplanted them yesterday

im hoping this will bring them back.. i also would like to try the new nutients i got on them i ll post picture of them soon as i get home!

im sooo confused about this i have everything down im just dont know what nutes to use either im new and i hate that i dont know which ones are good i heard the gh is good too but i have a small budget

go with the gh they are cheap about 13,99 CAD for a litter n should last you depending on how many you plan on growing

im going with the lucas formula thanks to Slipon,

problem for me was ppl always recommended it n never told me how to use it , if u go back n read slipons n my posts on this thread you will understnad the lucas formula

if you stick with one type of porduct n have a problem you will b able to figure out whats wrong easier...

mancity1 said:

hey slipon

i do got 2 little babies going ,

one afghan kush n one super bud fem,

there about a week old from seed in cups , the bottom leafs r yellowing i just transplanted them yesterday

im hoping this will bring them back.. i also would like to try the new nutients i got on them i ll post picture of them soon as i get home!

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is it the the small round kim leafs who is yellowing ?

if so dont worry its perfectly normal ..

tho some pictures allways help .. also to spot other stuff/erros ..


if they are a week old and you just transplantet them I would wait with the nuts a littel .. you just end up burning them .. they wont die from a littel lack of nutriens .. as allways .. less is more .. go slow ..

give em a littel time in ther new pots ... a week maybe and then start slowly on 1/4 strengs ..

Traxx187 said:

im sooo confused about this i have everything down im just dont know what nutes to use either im new and i hate that i dont know which ones are good i heard the gh is good too but i have a small budget

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I know the feeling .. sucks .. so much to choose from and so many oppinions .. read a few thread of the topic and your even more confused ..

try to get them basic in order .. read a littel of what plants need (NPK and micros like zink/copper/iron/Cal/Mg)

nomather what brand you choose in the end it is all the same basic builing stones ..more or less ..
just from diffrent surces ..

(its like choosing MCdonals or burgerking .. same stuff .. just diffrent names .. it up to you to find out what your tast is and choose based on that .. etc. maybe you dont care and Burgerking have a nice offer.. then choose that)

I choose GH like that ..

more or less by accident .. had my eyes on jungle juice but when I got to the store they wher all out of ther offer (a packe with it all in)

the guy toald me that Jungle Juice actualy is a "copy" of the GH line .. and he did have a nice offer on them (guess he did gave me them at a nice price as he did`t had what I was ther for and had a long drive)

I did the research on them when I came home and surely .. its so similar to Jungle Juice .. just the name/brand ..

dont look for all them special plants homons yet .. find basic 2-3 part system and make it work .. then you have more knowlegs and the basic in order .. then you could begin to research stuff and try to add some of them expensiv boosters or what ever you like ..

Ahh u said island which side east or west, I have family that live on Victoria Island. Anyways Slipon for sure has asked enuf of these questions himself he's got it down, but I just wanted to ask is it ur 1st grow and r u planning on using a hydro set-up or soil, cause really when u start getting into ppm/ec meters and ph down it does get tricky and one mistake with hydro can cost u ur whole grow. If u've never done it I would suggest going with soil unless u have a partner that has run hydro systems before. Sorry if I'm jumpin in at the end here and if Im makin u repeat urself. I would just hate 4 someone to go thru all the effort and lose their plants.

i heard the digital ballast can cause some interference ??

im gunna look into ventilation a bit more before i actually purchase it , checked at grow store but once again ebay had a way better price..

looking forward to this u have inspired me to mess around and try to get something that works for my self1

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I dont know anything about the digi. balast and what it can do ?
but do some more research .. if it can be a problem .. try not to use it as a PC table

shild it .. place it away from any electrial stuff .. Im sure if it is a hugh problem Ppl. have come up with solutions ?


and good call with the ventilation .. do your research ..

I did buy a 100mm (187M3/hr) fist and it is just a bit small for my 7x3 feet room (8feet high to sealing)

so I have to go and buy myself a stronger kind and go up to 125mm I belive ..

no biggy .. the 100mm did work very well .. did the job with the odor that was my biggest problem ..

and is also changsing my air with in 3-5 minuts so plenty of fresh air for the plants ..

what it dont realy do is fix my heat "problem" Im running 28-30C ..
well with out it .. it would mostlikely be 35+ so it do the job .. would just like to get temps down a few degress (25-28 would be nice)

also why I do whish I had choose a cool tube HPS .. but agin .. you lean allong the way I guess .. and I got the 600W cheap (100$ or so)

so what I belive I need is a ventilation double my strengs ... so it changes the air in a minut or two ..
can still use the 100mm on low (145M3/hr) for intake .. atlest thats my plan or use it later on for a Veg room ?


but just to give you a idea ..

find out how big your room is .. in squar feet/room meter .. and do the math ..
see what the diffrent vintilators can pull a minut/hr and calculate it and choose one that is atlest 50% bigger then you think you might need .. filters/tubeing and stuff make ventilators less effectiv .. guess the companys also exaggerating ther ventilation systems sumtimes ?

you will runn 400W and cooltube .. so I dont belive you will have as many problems as I had .. also since your room will be a littel bit bigger ..
dunno how your temps is in your part of the world (here it is summer now with 15-25C)

what I found out so fare with my set up ... is that with a 600W HPS with no cool tube in a space of 4-5 room meters .. it will make temps go up from 24 -29C with my ventilation/fans on and like 34C with out (and climping)

so I guess it make the room 10 degress celcius hotter and with my ventilation on I can get that down to 5 .. hope I can cut off a few more degress with a bigger ventilation ..

I've never heard about digital ballasts creating interference, and they r better cause they r smaller and lighter and they use less electricity then magnetic ballasts. And u can get a dual ballast that u can use both MH/HPS bulbs in not sure if u can get that with a magnetic ballast.

dvs1038 said:

Ahh u said island which side east or west, I have family that live on Victoria Island. Anyways Slipon for sure has asked enuf of these questions himself he's got it down, but I just wanted to ask is it ur 1st grow and r u planning on using a hydro set-up or soil, cause really when u start getting into ppm/ec meters and ph down it does get tricky and one mistake with hydro can cost u ur whole grow. If u've never done it I would suggest going with soil unless u have a partner that has run hydro systems before. Sorry if I'm jumpin in at the end here and if Im makin u repeat urself. I would just hate 4 someone to go thru all the effort and lose their plants.

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I would like to try out hydro .. DWG ...

but I will wait a bit and keep using soil/mix untill I fell I have full controle and all the basics is in order ..

but would be nice to skip the soil/mess .. things like rootbound and under/over watering aso.

not said that I wont runn in to other problems Im sure .. but it doappeal to me .. lets see .. with DWG I could also just try one plant fist and see if I like it and learn from it .. and/or maybe coco .. also look nice ..

Yeah I know ur not doin Hydro Slipon I was askin the other dude Mancity if that's what he is doin. Cause if not he doesn't need to be as concerned with the whole ppm/ec and figuring out how to use Ph up and down, unless his tap water ph is ridiculous he can use household stuff 4 ph control like vinegar or sumptin no reason to waste money and if its a soil grow the soil will act as a buffer so won't affect it as much. I just go with the theory KISS, Keep it Simple Stupid(what my Pop's would yell at me anyways with emphasis on the stupid).

lol yea .. I know .. Im just makeing small talk

as Im thinking of trying it out ... DWG look kool .. only need a "double" pot and a fishtank pump

but your right .. not sumthing you schould go for on your fist grow .. specialy not if your not use to grow plants ..
as you said .. keep it simple .. add stuff when your use to it and feel you have it under controle ..

but he is`t doing hydro .. he is in soil .. and sure you can use household stuff .. but if your going to buy nutriens anyway and can get a bottel or a bag of PH down (he needs down as his PH is 7,6 according to his waterplant test .. dont worry .. I have it coverd )

then the cost is`t much ...
10$ maybe and the bottel one also often have acids in them the plants can use (agin boath one for grow and one for flowering )

I just got the flowering one ..
up to now I used the cheap povder kind ..
but runn out and since I in the meen time had research and found out about the bottel once I desided to try that out .. cost me less the the littel PH test kit I also got as I was running out .. 8$ maybe

he use tab water .. soft ( 58 ) so close to soft/normal .. nice quality .. lots of MG/CAL/zink/iron/copper aso.

dont belive it have cloring in it .. but I did still advice him to leave it out for a day .. nomater what to get room temps ...

he will be useing micro soft water from GH along with ther bloom (lucas fomular) to keep it simple ..