Help with 9lb. Blackberry Plant

gjs4786

gjs4786

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Lucky Luke said:
So the plants roots dont adjust the ph of the soil?
The soils PH doesnt change during the wet and dry cycle?
You dont think a PH pen should be calibrated?
You think that a $13 PH probe is accurate? (buy 3 and check...)

You dont think that the ph of the soil might of best been checked before a plant was planted with the soil being damp?

Have you ever chased a stable PH in soil? What was the result?
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Ahh, Misunderstood you a bit. Yeah, before you plant is the first time you should check your soil pH. I made the mistake of not checking. It was never a problem with untold amounts of veggies, but cannabis proved to be really picky in comparison. I don't at all think that anyone should have an uncalibrated pen, I was just using an example to illustrate how important some actual data points can be, so there isn't an excuse to not check that first and foremost. As to the accuracy of 13 dollar pens, it's better than guessing, and I don't expect someone who doesn't understand how important pH is to invest in a BlueLab monitor, it's hard enough to convince people to get a litmus test kit. Yes, the pH will vary from wet soil to dry, but as a grower you aren't looking for that, you're looking for out of the ordinary readings. A good way to know what out of the ordinary is, is to REGULARLY check pH. It's really that simple, what's the big resistance?
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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gjs4786 said:
. It's really that simple, what's the big resistance?
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Your first grow is looking great. But after a year or so you will be saying the same thing as me...
Its not a resisnatnce to anything. Plants adjust the ph of soil,its part of why they have survived for so long. The PH changes through out the day. Chassing a stable PH is never going to work. Get the ph wrong in DWC and ya plants are dead in a few days.

The OP had two simple quires.
Why are his leaves moving up and down?
Why are his leaves a light and a dark green?

My responce would be;
Cause its normal for leaves to move up and down.
Cause newer growth is always a lighter green and at the stage of growth he is in they probebely need a feed.
Do they look to bad to you?

Now you can over think it but cannabis grows in a fairly wild PH spectrum in soil. And i have no idea why anyone would be measuring PH runoff in soil....
We all agree that PH swings in soil yea? So the measuremnt takin at anyone time will not be the same as another.

Sometimes people over think problems. Canabis will grow in a gravel driveway.
 
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Tim1987

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Lucky Luke said:
Your first grow is looking great. But after a year or so you will be saying the same thing as me...
Its not a resisnatnce to anything. Plants adjust the ph of soil,its part of why they have survived for so long. The PH changes through out the day. Chassing a stable PH is never going to work. Get the ph wrong in DWC and ya plants are dead in a few days.

The OP had two simple quires.
Why are his leaves moving up and down?
Why are his leaves a light and a dark green?

My responce would be;
Cause its normal for leaves to move up and down.
Cause newer growth is always a lighter green and at the stage of growth he is in they probebely need a feed.
Do they look to bad to you?

Now you can over think it but cannabis grows in a fairly wild PH spectrum in soil. And i have no idea why anyone would be measuring PH runoff in soil....
We all agree that PH swings in soil yea? So the measuremnt takin at anyone time will not be the same as another.

Sometimes people over think problems. Canabis will grow in a gravel driveway.
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I'd argue, I don't ph my water for soil. Or any bottles I feed it. Never have. Never will.
I amend my soil.

So many growers are getting hydro mixed up with soil, and they don't even realize.

Are we going to tell a client at work the same thing?
If they were growing rhododendron, camellia, hydrangeas etc?
Would we tell them instead of spraying their garden with the house garden hose, to be making sure they ph their water before the give it to their, huge garden?

PH of the soil, is what matters most of all.
 
gjs4786

gjs4786

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Lucky Luke said:
Your first grow is looking great. But after a year or so you will be saying the same thing as me...
Its not a resisnatnce to anything. Plants adjust the ph of soil,its part of why they have survived for so long. The PH changes through out the day. Chassing a stable PH is never going to work. Get the ph wrong in DWC and ya plants are dead in a few days.

The OP had two simple quires.
Why are his leaves moving up and down?
Why are his leaves a light and a dark green?

My responce would be;
Cause its normal for leaves to move up and down.
Cause newer growth is always a lighter green and at the stage of growth he is in they probebely need a feed.
Do they look to bad to you?

Now you can over think it but cannabis grows in a fairly wild PH spectrum in soil. And i have no idea why anyone would be measuring PH runoff in soil....
We all agree that PH swings in soil yea? So the measuremnt takin at anyone time will not be the same as another.

Sometimes people over think problems. Canabis will grow in a gravel driveway.
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I guess it depends on how thorough you want to be. I don't imagine I will ever deviate from checking my pH regularly now that I have started testing the pH. I suppose if I didn't have a way to test it, my first thought wouldn't be pH issues, but I don't see how taking a minute to check it isn't more common. The runoff is just another data point. I don't feel like I am overthinking anything. Cannabis is critical of pH, more so than any plant I've ever grown, and that's basically all vegetables. The issue is becoming complacent with your pH because other runs have been fine. I respectfully disagree with you on this. Sure, cannabis grows in gravel, until it doesn't, and the first thing you need to check in that situation is also the pH.[/QUOTE]

Edit: Thanks for the compliments, I wouldn't have gotten this far if I hadn't checked my pH.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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gjs4786 said:
Cannabis is critical of pH, more so than any plant I've ever grown, and that's basically all vegetables. .
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Soil pH preferences for selected plants
Shade and flowering trees
Ash, European mtn. 6.0-7.0
Beech, American 5.0-6.5
Birch 5.0-6.0
Crabapple 5.0-6.0
Hawthorn 6.0-7.0
Holly 4.5-5.5
Honeylocust 6.0-8.0
Magnolia, saucer 5.0-6.0
Maidenhair tree 6.0-7.0
Maple 6.0-7.5
Oak, black 6.0-7.0
Oak, English 6.0-8.0
Oak, pin 4.5-5.5
Oak, red 4.5-5.5
Oak, white 5.0-6.5
Willow, weeping 5.0-6.0
Vines
Bittersweet, American 4.5-6.0
Clematis, Jackman's 5.5-7.0
Honeysuckle, trumpet 6.5-8.0
Ivy, Boston 6.5-8.0
Ivy, English 6.5-8.0
Virgin's bower 6.5-7.5
Wisteria, Japanese 6.5-8.0
Ornamental Shrubs
Azalea, native 4.5-5.5
Barberry, Japanese 6.0-7.5
Bayberry 5.0-6.0
Beautybush 6.0-7.5
Cotoneaster 6.5-7.5
Daphne 6.5-7.5
Deutzia 6.0-7.5
Dogwood, redtwig 6.0-7.0
Euonymus, winged 5.5-7.0
Fringe tree 5.0-6.0
Heather, Scotch 4.5-6.0
Honeysuckle, Tatarian 6.5-8.0
Hydrangea, Peegee 6.0-7.0
Lilac 6.0-7.5
Mockorange 6.0-8.0
Mountain laurel 5.5-7.0
Rhododendron 4.5-7.0
Rose, hybrid tea 5.5-7.0
Serviceberry 5.0-6.0
Spirea 6.0-7.0
Sumac 5.0-6.0
Viburnum, double file 6.5-7.5
Viburnum, maple-leaved 4.0-5.0
Wayfaring tree 5.5-7.0
Evergreens
Arborvitae, American 6.0-8.0
Fir, balsam 5.0-6.0
Fir, Douglas 6.0-7.0
Fir, Fraser 4.5-5.0
Hemlock 5.0-6.0
Juniper 5.0-6.0
Pine 5.0-6.0
Pine, white 4.5-6.0
Spruce, Colorado 6.0-7.0
Spruce, Norway 5.0-6.0
Spruce, white 5.0-6.0
Yew 6.0-7.0
Groundcovers
Bugleweed, carpet 6.5-8.0
Spurge, Japanese 6.5-8.0
Grass
Bluegrass, annual 6.5-7.5
Bluegrass, Canada 6.5-7.5
Bluegrasss, Kentucky 6.0-8.0
Fescue 6.0-7.0
Fruit Plants
Apple 5.5-6.5
Blueberry, high bush 4.5-5.5
Cherry, sweet 6.5-8.0
Pear, common 6.5-7.5
Plum, American 6.5-8.5
Raspberry, black 5.5-7.0
Raspberry, red 6.0-7.5
Strawberry 5.5-6.5
Grapes 5.5-7.0
Vegetables
Asparagus 6.0-8.0
Beans 6.0-7.0
Beets 6.5-8.0
Broccoli 6.0-7.0
Cabbage 6.0-7.5
Cantaloupe 6.0-7.5
Carrots 5.5-7.0
Corn 5.5-7.5
Cucubers 5.5-7.0
Eggplant 5.5-6.5
Lettuce 6.0-7.0
Onions 6.0-7.0
Peas 6.0-7.5
Peppers 5.5-7.0
Potatoes 4.8-6.5
Sweet Potatoes 5.2-6.0
Radishes 6.0-7.0
Rhubarb 5.5-7.0
Spinach 6.0-7.5
Squash 6.0-7.0
Tomatoes 5.5-7.5

Grew well but didnt use a PH Probe? Mmmmm
 
gjs4786

gjs4786

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You are twisting my words. I said cannabis is the most picky out of everything I have grown, which is most vegetables. Just a personal observation, not a rule. It seems like you have looked into pH more so in this thread in an attempt to invalidate my advice, which I received from other more experienced growers and science-based research. If you go around saying that pH is no big deal for soil grows, you are teaching bad information. How does that not bother you? Other than "it's never been a problem, until it is" do you have anything you can say regarding pH that supports what you are saying? Because I have countless science-based research articles and that says pH is damn important. I don't care if it's never been a problem for you. Anyone that goes that route always ends up posting when it actually is a problem.
 
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Tim1987

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Lucky Luke said:
Soil pH preferences for selected plants
Shade and flowering trees
Ash, European mtn. 6.0-7.0
Beech, American 5.0-6.5
Birch 5.0-6.0
Crabapple 5.0-6.0
Hawthorn 6.0-7.0
Holly 4.5-5.5
Honeylocust 6.0-8.0
Magnolia, saucer 5.0-6.0
Maidenhair tree 6.0-7.0
Maple 6.0-7.5
Oak, black 6.0-7.0
Oak, English 6.0-8.0
Oak, pin 4.5-5.5
Oak, red 4.5-5.5
Oak, white 5.0-6.5
Willow, weeping 5.0-6.0
Vines
Bittersweet, American 4.5-6.0
Clematis, Jackman's 5.5-7.0
Honeysuckle, trumpet 6.5-8.0
Ivy, Boston 6.5-8.0
Ivy, English 6.5-8.0
Virgin's bower 6.5-7.5
Wisteria, Japanese 6.5-8.0
Ornamental Shrubs
Azalea, native 4.5-5.5
Barberry, Japanese 6.0-7.5
Bayberry 5.0-6.0
Beautybush 6.0-7.5
Cotoneaster 6.5-7.5
Daphne 6.5-7.5
Deutzia 6.0-7.5
Dogwood, redtwig 6.0-7.0
Euonymus, winged 5.5-7.0
Fringe tree 5.0-6.0
Heather, Scotch 4.5-6.0
Honeysuckle, Tatarian 6.5-8.0
Hydrangea, Peegee 6.0-7.0
Lilac 6.0-7.5
Mockorange 6.0-8.0
Mountain laurel 5.5-7.0
Rhododendron 4.5-7.0
Rose, hybrid tea 5.5-7.0
Serviceberry 5.0-6.0
Spirea 6.0-7.0
Sumac 5.0-6.0
Viburnum, double file 6.5-7.5
Viburnum, maple-leaved 4.0-5.0
Wayfaring tree 5.5-7.0
Evergreens
Arborvitae, American 6.0-8.0
Fir, balsam 5.0-6.0
Fir, Douglas 6.0-7.0
Fir, Fraser 4.5-5.0
Hemlock 5.0-6.0
Juniper 5.0-6.0
Pine 5.0-6.0
Pine, white 4.5-6.0
Spruce, Colorado 6.0-7.0
Spruce, Norway 5.0-6.0
Spruce, white 5.0-6.0
Yew 6.0-7.0
Groundcovers
Bugleweed, carpet 6.5-8.0
Spurge, Japanese 6.5-8.0
Grass
Bluegrass, annual 6.5-7.5
Bluegrass, Canada 6.5-7.5
Bluegrasss, Kentucky 6.0-8.0
Fescue 6.0-7.0
Fruit Plants
Apple 5.5-6.5
Blueberry, high bush 4.5-5.5
Cherry, sweet 6.5-8.0
Pear, common 6.5-7.5
Plum, American 6.5-8.5
Raspberry, black 5.5-7.0
Raspberry, red 6.0-7.5
Strawberry 5.5-6.5
Grapes 5.5-7.0
Vegetables
Asparagus 6.0-8.0
Beans 6.0-7.0
Beets 6.5-8.0
Broccoli 6.0-7.0
Cabbage 6.0-7.5
Cantaloupe 6.0-7.5
Carrots 5.5-7.0
Corn 5.5-7.5
Cucubers 5.5-7.0
Eggplant 5.5-6.5
Lettuce 6.0-7.0
Onions 6.0-7.0
Peas 6.0-7.5
Peppers 5.5-7.0
Potatoes 4.8-6.5
Sweet Potatoes 5.2-6.0
Radishes 6.0-7.0
Rhubarb 5.5-7.0
Spinach 6.0-7.5
Squash 6.0-7.0
Tomatoes 5.5-7.5

Grew well but didnt use a PH Probe? Mmmmm
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You're missing the point completely.
Nearly all plants on earth grow in those ranges.

Throw a marijuana plant in a gravel driveway. You think you'll get good quality? It'll grow sure. But it's a damn plant.

It couldn't give two shits whether, it's one foot tall. Or ten feet tall. Grassy or dank. Potent or weak as shit.
They couldn't care less whether they're six feet wide. Or two leaves and a stem. So long as they flower and set seed.

It's a weed. It's a needy, greedy, fast growing, resilient plant, and a good challenge to grow.

If you've never seen, or used a particular soil before. You must check.
We could even go as far as soil texture. But that's steering away from context a little.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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gjs4786 said:
You are twisting my words. I said cannabis is the most picky out of everything I have grown, which is most vegetables. Just a personal observation, not a rule. It seems like you have looked into pH more so in this thread in an attempt to invalidate my advice, which I received from other more experienced growers and science-based research. If you go around saying that pH is no big deal for soil grows, you are teaching bad information. How does that not bother you? Other than "it's never been a problem, until it is" do you have anything you can say regarding pH that supports what you are saying? Because I have countless science-based research articles and that says pH is damn important. I don't care if it's never been a problem for you. Anyone that goes that route always ends up posting when it actually is a problem.
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Your all over the place.

OP good luck with ya grow.
 
gjs4786

gjs4786

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Lucky Luke said:
Your all over the place.

OP good luck with ya grow.
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I guess that's what happens when you have to argue with someone over the importance of pH. I feel like I've been pretty firm on my position as opposed to all over the place, anyway. I guess that's the only avenue one can take who is arguing against the importance of pH, to discredit the other person by whatever means necessary.
 
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james1982h

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Okay, so I take it that everyone has different opinions on PH? LOL Anyhow, I just wanted to update since yesterday evening. I turned the lights off for roughly 6.5-7 hrs and plant looked droopy in the a.m., and by the time I got home she looks better than ever, with the exception of the discolored leaves (originally they were droopy damn near all day. The leaves (old and new) are still dark and light green. What could be causing the leaves to look like this? Is it a sign of a problem? The soil I have it is just a mix of I don't know what. I'm just trying to grow a decent plant, not a cannabis cup winner. If all goes well, I may then get into it a little more. Get some cannabis specific soil, all the different testing meters, and so on. But for right now, I'm just using what I have available, with a few expenses. I picked up the 250watt HPS light, and would like to get some cannabis specific nutrients. Any recommendations on this? I do appreciate all of the information and advise that everyone has shared, and will definitely be using what has been advised.

Does the leaf discoloring indicate an issue?
What is a good growing soil (By Experience)?
What good nutrient mixes are available (By Experience)?

Again, Thank you much for the helpful advice.
 
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Tim1987

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james1982h said:
Okay, so I take it that everyone has different opinions on PH? LOL Anyhow, I just wanted to update since yesterday evening. I turned the lights off for roughly 6.5-7 hrs and plant looked droopy in the a.m., and by the time I got home she looks better than ever, with the exception of the discolored leaves (originally they were droopy damn near all day. The leaves (old and new) are still dark and light green. What could be causing the leaves to look like this? Is it a sign of a problem? The soil I have it is just a mix of I don't know what. I'm just trying to grow a decent plant, not a cannabis cup winner. If all goes well, I may then get into it a little more. Get some cannabis specific soil, all the different testing meters, and so on. But for right now, I'm just using what I have available, with a few expenses. I picked up the 250watt HPS light, and would like to get some cannabis specific nutrients. Any recommendations on this? I do appreciate all of the information and advise that everyone has shared, and will definitely be using what has been advised.

Does the leaf discoloring indicate an issue?
What is a good growing soil (By Experience)?
What good nutrient mixes are available (By Experience)?

Again, Thank you much for the helpful advice.
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PH OP!!!

I bet it's low. Below 6. Purple stem starting is likely indication too.
It would really surprise me if I'm wrong.
I suggest trying to prove me wrong.

Most likely overwatering too. You have wrinkling, and cratering. It's looking like your soil is rich in organic material, and fertilizer.
When you come along and water. The material dissolves a little. It "leeches", and the surface washes away.

Generally drying the soil, raises ph a little, because of the aeration.
Wet soil all the time, causes an anaerobic environment.

It's why soil needs a wet, and dry cycle.
 
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