SoMe_EfFin_MasS_HoLe
Well-Known Member
Hello everyone,
I'm new here & new to growing in general.
I worked for a while at a farm that grew veggies, fruits & flowers. I also grew cannabis in college a few times. I grew in a closet with bagseed, soil from the yard, two t5' & just tap water. I didnt get super high yeilds but could not complain while in college & getting 9 oz' basically for free over 2 grows. Now with all of that being done & said I know nothing. What I have learned, I tossed out the window! I dont want any bad habits that's why I'm not counting any of that!
I've been researching journals, equipment, strains/breeders, fourms, books and anything & everything that pertains to cannabis cultivation for the past 19 months. There is alot of info out there, some good & others crap. I am also afraid of getting ripped off by not so honest companies! .
My budget is 800.00 not including beans. I have set aside 200.00 for gear. I'm also willing to go 900.00 at most on equipment.
It took me almost 18 months to decide on a tent alone! I ended up getting a original 2×4 Gorilla tent with the free hight extension kit a few weeks ago. I've seen it from 300 to 350.00 but ended up paying 214.00 for it. (I think I got a good deal?) I also finally purchased an in line fan the other day. I bought the 6" vortex s line. I've seen that fan go for 200 to 300.00. I got the fan for 119.00. (Thinking I got a deal on the fan too?)
Ive not decided on any other equipment as of yet!
I want to go led but can not afford anything besides an amazon light.
I'm thinking about a 600 watt hid kitt though. I can choose either a cooltube or hood. It also comes with a mh & hps bulb, light ropes & a timer. Regardless of hood or tube the price is 153.00.. now my issue with this is, I've read that cooltubes can be cooled better than a hood. I've also read that they dont offer as much intense light/deep penetration for the plants. I read somewhere that there is a bigger foot print as well as better lighting intensity/deeper penetration with a hood.
My issue with that really is the space. I'm not able to get the tent to 7'11" with the extension kit because of ceiling clearance. So I'm working with 2×4×6'11" I also loose about 2" in width because of support poles. The tube is 25" long & 6" round where as the hood is 19" long 17" wide & 8" tall.
I'm not really sure what to choose, I really want the hood if what I read is true. I'm just afraid of the width of the hood being so close to the front & back of the tent, that it will melt the tent and/or cause a fire. I loose that 2" because of the poles as I said. So if the hood is 17" & the tent is 24" wide that gives me 7" of space which would be 3.1/2" on either side of the hood front and back. Now I loose 2" so that leaves me with 2.1/2" inches of space front & back. Do I have enough space with the hood considering the 2" loss or do I have to worry about the tent melting & possibly burning down the house?
Also, am I crazy for wanting to go with 600watt hid, is it to much for my tent? I could go with a 400 watt, but if I plan on upgrading my space in the future ide like to go with the 600. I know I can get a 600 & dim it but, I would rather have that thing on full blast for yeild. I also live where the winters are cold & summers are hot and muggy.
I'm not worried about the summer heat on top of the heat from the 600 though. If I need another fan for the spring/summer I'll get one. I have central a.c. in my house so I'm not really worried about the heat in the summer! The winter is very cold where I am & I've got hardwood flooring which is extremely cold in the winter. (Old home) I plan on putting some insulation board under the tent to solve that problem. I'm also going to have my plants propped up off the floor of the tent.
So far I've spent 333.00 on my tent and fan. I've got about 470.00 left for equipment if I stay at the 800.00 budget I planned or about 570.00 if I up that to the 900.00 budget. I plan on growing with organic soil in fabric pots, doing sog or scrog due to space & because this is technically my first grow with equipment. I still need a light, filter, soil, testing pens, nutrients, clip on fans scrog net, ducting, fan speed controller, high cmf polls, ph up & down etc.
I'm really just seeking advice on lighting, type of soil, nutrients, speed controller & testing pens. As well as if i should go with the tube or the hood? Due to my space I would need two 600watt quivalent leds. anything that looked remotely decent for cheap leds on amazon are still about 150-200.00 bucks & they only draw about 130 watts from the wall if that. Plus I dont really trust most products from china! If I'm going to go led, I would like to have 600 actual watts power. That way I can give each square foot 75 actual watts. I'm never going to find an led light that for cheap though. That's why I'm thinking the hid route. That's what I can afford for now. plus from reading, there really is not much difference between hid or led just the cost of power & the light itself.
Aside from being cheap from china, i plan on buying the pots, net, clip on fans & what ever else I can skimp on through amazon.
I'm more worried about the light, soil, nutrients ph/edc, ppm pens, carbon filter & speed controller being of quality!
I look forward to hearing back from everyone with their thoughts! Think of this as a, you're buying everything for your self type of thing. if you were to start over. Thank you! I look forward to hearing from you all!
I'm new here & new to growing in general.
I worked for a while at a farm that grew veggies, fruits & flowers. I also grew cannabis in college a few times. I grew in a closet with bagseed, soil from the yard, two t5' & just tap water. I didnt get super high yeilds but could not complain while in college & getting 9 oz' basically for free over 2 grows. Now with all of that being done & said I know nothing. What I have learned, I tossed out the window! I dont want any bad habits that's why I'm not counting any of that!
I've been researching journals, equipment, strains/breeders, fourms, books and anything & everything that pertains to cannabis cultivation for the past 19 months. There is alot of info out there, some good & others crap. I am also afraid of getting ripped off by not so honest companies! .
My budget is 800.00 not including beans. I have set aside 200.00 for gear. I'm also willing to go 900.00 at most on equipment.
It took me almost 18 months to decide on a tent alone! I ended up getting a original 2×4 Gorilla tent with the free hight extension kit a few weeks ago. I've seen it from 300 to 350.00 but ended up paying 214.00 for it. (I think I got a good deal?) I also finally purchased an in line fan the other day. I bought the 6" vortex s line. I've seen that fan go for 200 to 300.00. I got the fan for 119.00. (Thinking I got a deal on the fan too?)
Ive not decided on any other equipment as of yet!
I want to go led but can not afford anything besides an amazon light.
I'm thinking about a 600 watt hid kitt though. I can choose either a cooltube or hood. It also comes with a mh & hps bulb, light ropes & a timer. Regardless of hood or tube the price is 153.00.. now my issue with this is, I've read that cooltubes can be cooled better than a hood. I've also read that they dont offer as much intense light/deep penetration for the plants. I read somewhere that there is a bigger foot print as well as better lighting intensity/deeper penetration with a hood.
My issue with that really is the space. I'm not able to get the tent to 7'11" with the extension kit because of ceiling clearance. So I'm working with 2×4×6'11" I also loose about 2" in width because of support poles. The tube is 25" long & 6" round where as the hood is 19" long 17" wide & 8" tall.
I'm not really sure what to choose, I really want the hood if what I read is true. I'm just afraid of the width of the hood being so close to the front & back of the tent, that it will melt the tent and/or cause a fire. I loose that 2" because of the poles as I said. So if the hood is 17" & the tent is 24" wide that gives me 7" of space which would be 3.1/2" on either side of the hood front and back. Now I loose 2" so that leaves me with 2.1/2" inches of space front & back. Do I have enough space with the hood considering the 2" loss or do I have to worry about the tent melting & possibly burning down the house?
Also, am I crazy for wanting to go with 600watt hid, is it to much for my tent? I could go with a 400 watt, but if I plan on upgrading my space in the future ide like to go with the 600. I know I can get a 600 & dim it but, I would rather have that thing on full blast for yeild. I also live where the winters are cold & summers are hot and muggy.
I'm not worried about the summer heat on top of the heat from the 600 though. If I need another fan for the spring/summer I'll get one. I have central a.c. in my house so I'm not really worried about the heat in the summer! The winter is very cold where I am & I've got hardwood flooring which is extremely cold in the winter. (Old home) I plan on putting some insulation board under the tent to solve that problem. I'm also going to have my plants propped up off the floor of the tent.
So far I've spent 333.00 on my tent and fan. I've got about 470.00 left for equipment if I stay at the 800.00 budget I planned or about 570.00 if I up that to the 900.00 budget. I plan on growing with organic soil in fabric pots, doing sog or scrog due to space & because this is technically my first grow with equipment. I still need a light, filter, soil, testing pens, nutrients, clip on fans scrog net, ducting, fan speed controller, high cmf polls, ph up & down etc.
I'm really just seeking advice on lighting, type of soil, nutrients, speed controller & testing pens. As well as if i should go with the tube or the hood? Due to my space I would need two 600watt quivalent leds. anything that looked remotely decent for cheap leds on amazon are still about 150-200.00 bucks & they only draw about 130 watts from the wall if that. Plus I dont really trust most products from china! If I'm going to go led, I would like to have 600 actual watts power. That way I can give each square foot 75 actual watts. I'm never going to find an led light that for cheap though. That's why I'm thinking the hid route. That's what I can afford for now. plus from reading, there really is not much difference between hid or led just the cost of power & the light itself.
Aside from being cheap from china, i plan on buying the pots, net, clip on fans & what ever else I can skimp on through amazon.
I'm more worried about the light, soil, nutrients ph/edc, ppm pens, carbon filter & speed controller being of quality!
I look forward to hearing back from everyone with their thoughts! Think of this as a, you're buying everything for your self type of thing. if you were to start over. Thank you! I look forward to hearing from you all!
Due to the nature of HPS and the reflectors they give a more square footprint, a 400w covers about 3x3 and a 600w is a lot in a 3x3 but will cover 4x4, you have a 2x4 so I would rather the extra power to get awesome coverage all across your tent. But tents are very reflective so it makes very little difference.
.. If for whatever reason it does not work out. I think I'll go with the 600 watt ballast kit. I know you said it's a bit much but I plan to upgrade in the future & would hate to have to buy another kit. Unless its led, then I'll just use em both. Although the ballast I was checking out can be dialed down to a 400 or 250 watt. 
