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medicineman

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Anyone who says money doesn't equal freedom has never sat in jail for a month for a crime they didn't commit because they couldn't post $1,000 bond.

They've also never needed to get away from an abusive relationship but couldn't afford a plane/bus/train ticket or the gas money to drive away.
Seems like a lot of fancypants elites on this site. probably never worked a physical job in their life. I'd like to take them to work with me for one day pushing concrete. Those sissys would be rolling on the ground in pain. Make them pull the rod, or shovel. They'd be layed out in no time. A 300 yd. pour would kill them. Believe me, I've done 300 yds+ many a day. wuses. BTW, not only did I pour the concrete, with help of course, but I was the construction superintendent on the concrete end of the job, from bare dirt to a finished concrete base for the other trades to start from. Just a little honk of my horn. I've done hospitals, strip malls, 5 story office buildings, multi-million dollar beach homes, etc. all from the dirt, just get out the map and go.
 

Johnnyorganic

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Seems like a lot of fancypants elites on this site. probably never worked a physical job in their life. I'd like to take them to work with me for one day pushing concrete. Those sissys would be rolling on the ground in pain. Make them pull the rod, or shovel. They'd be layed out in no time. A 300 yd. pour would kill them. Believe me, I've done 300 yds+ many a day. wuses. BTW, not only did I pour the concrete, with help of course, but I was the construction superintendent on the concrete end of the job, from bare dirt to a finished concrete base for the other trades to start from. Just a little honk of my horn. I've done hospitals, strip malls, 5 story office buildings, multi-million dollar beach homes, etc. all from the dirt, just get out the map and go.
What was the driving force behind these projects? Capitalism.

And you did this work for free? No?

Ah, the plight of the working man.

Tell us all about it, Med.

The drudgery....
The mortgage....
The expensive cocaine habit....
 

medicineman

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What was the driving force behind these projects? Capitalism.

And you did this work for free? No?

Ah, the plight of the working man.

Tell us all about it, Med.

The drudgery....
The mortgage....
The expensive cocaine habit....
Never took money out of my pocket for cocaine, what's your claim to fame, born with the spoon, eh?
 

The Warlord

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Seems like a lot of fancypants elites on this site. probably never worked a physical job in their life. I'd like to take them to work with me for one day pushing concrete. Those sissys would be rolling on the ground in pain. Make them pull the rod, or shovel. They'd be layed out in no time. A 300 yd. pour would kill them. Believe me, I've done 300 yds+ many a day. wuses. BTW, not only did I pour the concrete, with help of course, but I was the construction superintendent on the concrete end of the job, from bare dirt to a finished concrete base for the other trades to start from. Just a little honk of my horn. I've done hospitals, strip malls, 5 story office buildings, multi-million dollar beach homes, etc. all from the dirt, just get out the map and go.
Well i hope your not talking about me. I started working at 14. Full time at 16 in a scrap yard. At 17 I was doing concrete and paving work. As an adult i've spent most of my days as a heavy equipment operator. i can run anything from a front end loader to a cable crane and everything in between. Currently I work in my families buisiness 6 days a week. My family was so poor as a child we sometimes had to hunt rabbits to feed the dogs and hauled our water from the neibors well (no running water).
I'm fairly well off now. Not rich by any means though. I damn sure never took a dollar from the government in my entire life. i've been eligible for unemployment a few times but the idea of it rubs me the wrong way. Would feel too much like a hand out. :blsmoke:
 

RickWhite

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Well i hope your not talking about me. I started working at 14. Full time at 16 in a scrap yard. At 17 I was doing concrete and paving work. As an adult i've spent most of my days as a heavy equipment operator. i can run anything from a front end loader to a cable crane and everything in between. Currently I work in my families buisiness 6 days a week. My family was so poor as a child we sometimes had to hunt rabbits to feed the dogs and hauled our water from the neibors well (no running water).
I'm fairly well off now. Not rich by any means though. I damn sure never took a dollar from the government in my entire life. i've been eligible for unemployment a few times but the idea of it rubs me the wrong way. Would feel too much like a hand out. :blsmoke:
My story is similar. I once had to buy a jar of peanut butter on credit and that was all I ate for 3 days. But guys like you and me don't exist in their minds. Either you are born rich or you are doomed to a life of serfdom.

Really, I think anyone born into a good loving home with good parents is immensely wealthy. Being born into money does give you a leg up in some cases but it isn't necessary for success. Encouragement, self esteem and discipline, now those are things that are crucial for success.
 

Big P

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may as well post this here for your guys. expand your mind the world is a vampire



THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM


6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.

7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing leftism is not so much a movement or an ideology as a psychological type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by "leftism" will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)

8. Even so, our conception of leftism will remain a good deal less clear than we would wish, but there doesn't seem to be any remedy for this. All we are trying to do is indicate in a rough and approximate way the two psychological tendencies that we believe are the main driving force of modern leftism. We by no means claim to be telling the WHOLE truth about leftist psychology. Also, our discussion is meant to apply to modern leftism only. We leave open the question of the extent to which our discussion could be applied to the leftists of the 19th and early 20th century.

9. The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we call "feelings of inferiority" and "oversocialization." Feelings of inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.



FEELINGS OF INFERIORITY


10. By "feelings of inferiority" we mean not only inferiority feelings in the strictest sense but a whole spectrum of related traits: low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self-hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend to have such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism.

11. When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. This tendency is pronounced among minority rights advocates, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend. They are hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities. The terms "negro," "oriental," "handicapped" or "chick" for an African, an Asian, a disabled person or a woman originally had no derogatory connotation. "Broad" and "chick" were merely the feminine equivalents of "guy," "dude" or "fellow." The negative connotations have been attached to these terms by the activists themselves. Some animal rights advocates have gone so far as to reject the word "pet" and insist on its replacement by "animal companion." Leftist anthropologists go to great lengths to avoid saying anything about primitive peoples that could conceivably be interpreted as negative. They want to replace the word "primitive" by "nonliterate." They seem almost paranoid about anything that might suggest that any primitive culture is inferior to our own. (We do not mean to imply that primitive cultures ARE inferior to ours. We merely point out the hypersensitivity of leftish anthropologists.)

12. Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect" terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white males from middle-class families.

13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals), or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit it to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems. (We do not suggest that women, Indians, etc., ARE inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology).

14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.

15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

16. Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative", "enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

17. Art forms that appeal to modern leftist intellectuals tend to focus on sordidness, defeat and despair, or else they take an orgiastic tone, throwing off rational control as if there were no hope of accomplishing anything through rational calculation and all that was left was to immerse oneself in the sensations of the moment.

18. Modern leftist philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftist philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e. failed, inferior). The leftist's feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual's ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is "inferior" it is not his fault, but society's, because he has not been brought up properly.

19. The leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong, and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior. [1] But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself.

20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.

21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.

22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.

23. We emphasize that the foregoing does not pretend to be an accurate description of everyone who might be considered a leftist. It is only a rough indication of a general tendency of leftism.



OVERSOCIALIZATION


24. Psychologists use the term "socialization" to designate the process by which children are trained to think and act as society demands. A person is said to be well socialized if he believes in and obeys the moral code of his society and fits in well as a functioning part of that society. It may seem senseless to say that many leftists are over-socialized, since the leftist is perceived as a rebel. Nevertheless, the position can be defended. Many leftists are not such rebels as they seem.

25. The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. For example, we are not supposed to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates somebody at some time or other, whether he admits it to himself or not. Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term "oversocialized" to describe such people. [2]

26. Oversocialization can lead to low self-esteem, a sense of powerlessness, defeatism, guilt, etc. One of the most important means by which our society socializes children is by making them feel ashamed of behavior or speech that is contrary to society's expectations. If this is overdone, or if a particular child is especially susceptible to such feelings, he ends by feeling ashamed of HIMSELF. Moreover the thought and the behavior of the oversocialized person are more restricted by society's expectations than are those of the lightly socialized person. The majority of people engage in a significant amount of naughty behavior. They lie, they commit petty thefts, they break traffic laws, they goof off at work, they hate someone, they say spiteful things or they use some underhanded trick to get ahead of the other guy. The oversocialized person cannot do these things, or if he does do them he generates in himself a sense of shame and self-hatred. The oversocialized person cannot even experience, without guilt, thoughts or feelings that are contrary to the accepted morality; he cannot think "unclean" thoughts. And socialization is not just a matter of morality; we are socialized to confirm to many norms of behavior that do not fall under the heading of morality. Thus the oversocialized person is kept on a psychological leash and spends his life running on rails that society has laid down for him. In many oversocialized people this results in a sense of constraint and powerlessness that can be a severe hardship. We suggest that oversocialization is among the more serious cruelties that human beings inflict on one another.

27. We argue that a very important and influential segment of the modern left is oversocialized and that their oversocialization is of great importance in determining the direction of modern leftism. Leftists of the oversocialized type tend to be intellectuals or members of the upper-middle class. Notice that university intellectuals (3) constitute the most highly socialized segment of our society and also the most left-wing segment.

28. The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of society. Generally speaking, the goals of today's leftists are NOT in conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle. Examples: racial equality, equality of the sexes, helping poor people, peace as opposed to war, nonviolence generally, freedom of expression, kindness to animals. More fundamentally, the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. All these have been deeply rooted values of our society (or at least of its middle and upper classes (4) for a long time. These values are explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the material presented to us by the mainstream communications media and the educational system. Leftists, especially those of the oversocialized type, usually do not rebel against these principles but justify their hostility to society by claiming (with some degree of truth) that society is not living up to these principles.

29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists push for affirmative action, for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more money for such schools; the way of life of the black "underclass" they regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going to a black-style church or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects more leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers "responsible." they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial-technological system. The system couldn't care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a "responsible" parent, is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the system and make him adopt its values.

30. We certainly do not claim that leftists, even of the oversocialized type, NEVER rebel against the fundamental values of our society. Clearly they sometimes do. Some oversocialized leftists have gone so far as to rebel against one of modern society's most important principles by engaging in physical violence. By their own account, violence is for them a form of "liberation." In other words, by committing violence they break through the psychological restraints that have been trained into them. Because they are oversocialized these restraints have been more confining for them than for others; hence their need to break free of them. But they usually justify their rebellion in terms of mainstream values. If they engage in violence they claim to be fighting against racism or the like.

31. We realize that many objections could be raised to the foregoing thumb-nail sketch of leftist psychology. The real situation is complex, and anything like a complete description of it would take several volumes even if the necessary data were available. We claim only to have indicated very roughly the two most important tendencies in the psychology of modern leftism.

32. The problems of the leftist are indicative of the problems of our society as a whole. Low self-esteem, depressive tendencies and defeatism are not restricted to the left. Though they are especially noticeable in the left, they are widespread in our society. And today's society tries to socialize us to a greater extent than any previous society. We are even told by experts how to eat, how to exercise, how to make love, how to raise our kids and so forth.



THE POWER PROCESS


33. Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the "power process." This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later (paragraphs 42-44).

34. Consider the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first he will have a lot of fun, but by and by he will become acutely bored and demoralized. Eventually he may become clinically depressed. History shows that leisured aristocracies tend to become decadent. This is not true of fighting aristocracies that have to struggle to maintain their power. But leisured, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized, even though they have power. This shows that power is not enough. One must have goals toward which to exercise one's power.

35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.
37. Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.



wanna read the rest?



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undertheice

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Re-distribution of wealth is the governments job. Trying to equalize the playing field to give everyone that wants to work a job should be job one.
redistribution of wealth is the market's job. government's job is to ensure that the marketplace is not abused. loose regulation and minimal interference, not total control. equitable enforcement of those regulations, not playing favorites with those that are of use to their agenda. government ownership of any portion of the marketplace creates the sort of unfair advantage that it is government's duty to abolish. surprisingly - i'd agree that a part of government's job is to level the playing field, but that equalization can only go so far. talent, luck, experience and even wealth and connections are advantages that government has no right to mitigate. its duty is the protection of the rights of all the people.
 

Rob Roy

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Speaking from an ahem "elitist" point of view. I just finished splitting this winters firewood by hand and stacking it. Now I can cook that stuff I grew in my garden on my wood stove and keep warm this winter. Might even whack one of the old roosters and make a stew now and then to share with one of my elderly neighbors.

I know it's not as good as pouring 300 yards of concrete while simultaneusly telling others how to run their lives. Can I still be a rugged individualist, huh can I, puhleeeeze, or must I love the government as my savior Med Man?
 

Rob Roy

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I disagree. Money= luxury. Not having the government rule your life=freedom. Regardless of how much money you have. Rich or poor. My idea of freedom is obviously much different than yours. Some of the happiest people i've ever met lived in a cabin and crapped in an outhouse. No wealth but they sure seemed free and they enjoyed life more than some of the wealthyest people i've met.:peace:

if you really believe money is freedom i feel sorry for you. You've lost your way.
You are correct sir.
Money is nice, but nothing beats freedom. Although a WARM outhouse in January would be close.
 

Parker

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Seems like a lot of fancypants elites on this site. probably never worked a physical job in their life. I'd like to take them to work with me for one day pushing concrete. Those sissys would be rolling on the ground in pain. Make them pull the rod, or shovel. They'd be layed out in no time. A 300 yd. pour would kill them. Believe me, I've done 300 yds+ many a day. wuses. BTW, not only did I pour the concrete, with help of course, but I was the construction superintendent on the concrete end of the job, from bare dirt to a finished concrete base for the other trades to start from. Just a little honk of my horn. I've done hospitals, strip malls, 5 story office buildings, multi-million dollar beach homes, etc. all from the dirt, just get out the map and go.
Well that's the problem. Your perception is off. For one thing you aren't informed enough to know stress from mental work is greater than stress from physical work.
Why does someone have to do physical work to know what hard work is about? I've done my fair share of physical work. It doesn't take brains to do construction. There's not a big learning curve to a lot of construction jobs. For some reason you think because you can snap 2 leggos together that's worth something????
A good work ethic is found in many jobs, it doesn't have to be physical labor.
 

medicineman

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Well that's the problem. Your perception is off. For one thing you aren't informed enough to know stress from mental work is greater than stress from physical work.
Why does someone have to do physical work to know what hard work is about? I've done my fair share of physical work. It doesn't take brains to do construction. There's not a big learning curve to a lot of construction jobs. For some reason you think because you can snap 2 leggos together that's worth something????
A good work ethic is found in many jobs, it doesn't have to be physical labor.
Geeze, I sure stirred all you right wing nutjobs up, Eh? Just saying that most of you couldn't hang with me when I was in my prime. BTW, in case you missed it, I was the concrete superintendent. In case you don't know what a suoerintendant does, he reads the plans and directs the construction, hiring and firing, ordering materials and coordinating all aspects of the job, not exactly fit for the mindless few. You want to know pressure, take 30 guys and 300+ yards of concrete arriving, (I hoped) by 6AM, then coordinate all the facets of the pour, timing concrete is a feeling, not a science, some goes off quicker and some slower, the facts are if you are not ready when concrete decides to harden, in a word, you're fucked, get the jackhammers. In the 10 years I ran concrete jobs, I never had to get the jackhammers, I'm sure this will lead you righties to make disparaging remarks, well you know, it starts with F and ends with U. I want to hear from the spoon jobs, come on, not all of you worked your asses off to arrive at elitest status, fess up.
 

Big P

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Well that's the problem. Your perception is off. For one thing you aren't informed enough to know stress from mental work is greater than stress from physical work.
Why does someone have to do physical work to know what hard work is about? I've done my fair share of physical work. It doesn't take brains to do construction. There's not a big learning curve to a lot of construction jobs. For some reason you think because you can snap 2 leggos together that's worth something????
A good work ethic is found in many jobs, it doesn't have to be physical labor.

tell me about it, try having the pressure of the guy who has to design the bridge, if he does anything wrong people die!

thats why they get paid the big bucks


try working for 6 months on a job hoping to capture the order only to find out the vendor has gone behind you back and quoted the customer direct after you provide 6 months of leg work, guess you might lose that house that year:blsmoke:


you wanna talk about stress, its more than ouch i dropped a brick on my foot.

i mean shit atleast you get to stay in shape doing your job you get to kill 2 birds with one stone

I used to do roofing in the deep south, it was hot as fuck but all we did was smoke out on the roof and shoot the shit all day while working a simple job and staying healthy.

you get paid for stress, grabage, and how many litteral or perverbial turds you gotta shovel


if monkies had larger brain they would put all of you outa work, and thats why those jobs do pay shit until you begin to have more responsibility at your job IE a hella stress whining and problems everywhere you turn theres a new problem to be solved.

but the real gems are the ones who never complain about it.
 

Big P

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Geeze, I sure stirred all you right wing nutjobs up, Eh? Just saying that most of you couldn't hang with me when I was in my prime. BTW, in case you missed it, I was the concrete superintendent. In case you don't know what a suoerintendant does, he reads the plans and directs the construction, hiring and firing, ordering materials and coordinating all aspects of the job, not exactly fit for the mindless few. You want to know pressure, take 30 guys and 300+ yards of concrete arriving, (I hoped) by 6AM, then coordinate all the facets of the pour, timing concrete is a feeling, not a science, some goes off quicker and some slower, the facts are if you are not ready when concrete decides to harden, in a word, you're fucked, get the jackhammers. In the 10 years I ran concrete jobs, I never had to get the jackhammers, I'm sure this will lead you righties to make disparaging remarks, well you know, it starts with F and ends with U. I want to hear from the spoon jobs, come on, not all of you worked your asses off to arrive at elitest status, fess up.

medi how much did you get paid for that job then as superintendent and what year was it
 

medicineman

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medi how much did you get paid for that job then as superintendent and what year was it
1974-84 basically, and I got paid pretty well, enough to save up and start my own business, a union 76 gas station with an auto repair. You see, I'm just a working class kind of guy, worked with my hands and head all my life. I could tell you about some extremely stressful times running that gas station, like when I didn't have the money for the next gas load, etc. I'm no einstein, but I'd match my IQ with 90% of people on this site. By IQ figures, I'm in the top 1 percentile. I'll admit, I should have done a few things differently. I'm not like most of those on the right who think they are sent from God himself, I do have my faults, I'm only human.
 

Big P

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1974-84 basically, and I got paid pretty well, enough to save up and start my own business, a union 76 gas station with an auto repair. You see, I'm just a working class kind of guy, worked with my hands and head all my life. I could tell you about some extremely stressful times running that gas station, like when I didn't have the money for the next gas load, etc. I'm no einstein, but I'd match my IQ with 90% of people on this site. By IQ figures, I'm in the top 1 percentile. I'll admit, I should have done a few things differently. I'm not like most of those on the right who think they are sent from God himself, I do have my faults, I'm only human.

yes ofcoarse I agree, im a fuckup at heart. seems you are a lot more chill these days medi,

is it just cuz you stopped smokin erb?

im not even a republicrate it just seems that way cuz many peeps on here are so redicules, but I atribute much of it to younger age and less expiriance

I say everyone should be conservative economically and defensivly, then we can be liberal with everything else.

but all I know is we should never fuck around with our money and safety


im the guy who says shoot first ask questions last. generally you wont ever get fucked with once it is established that this is you policy and it turns out you end up having to shoot less people that you would have if you didnt make this clear:mrgreen:
 

medicineman

New Member
yes ofcoarse I agree, im a fuckup at heart. seems you are a lot more chill these days medi,

is it just cuz you stopped smokin erb?

im not even a republicrate it just seems that way cuz many peeps on here are so redicules, but I atribute much of it to younger age and less expiriance

I say everyone should be conservative economically and defensivly, then we can be liberal with everything else.

but all I know is we should never fuck around with our money and safety


im the guy who says shoot first ask questions last. generally you wont ever get fucked with once it is established that this is you policy and it turns out you end up having to shoot less people that you would have if you didnt make this clear:mrgreen:
I understand most of your thinking, and just like you and all the conservatives, I don't want to give my money away. I do, although, think the top 10% should be taxed much higher than they are. Say one is making 140 million a year, at a 90% tax rate, that would still leave them 12.6 million bucks. If you can't adjust to that, then fuck you. I have no compassion for the rich, just as they have none for me, I've said all along, this is not about dems VS repukes, This is about rich VS poor, it is and always has been a class struggle. The middle class, (which was built by the unions) is fast dissapearing, the Unions have been scapegoated by the elites to get the blame for these times, while the rich keep grabbing all the loot. It seems pretty simple to me, it's the wannabees that keep the insanity going, look in the mirror big P, are you a wannabee?
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
not me medi, im cut from a cloth that no one has every seen


once I got my ducks in a row im retiring, just need a good mill in the bank and a paid off house,


but your point about taxing somone who makes 140 million sounds good to me though if it did not have any unintended circumstances but, as you see with wellfare, helping people actually has brung them down into stagnation


its like my nieghbors, before I started growing they all found ways to get thier own weed. but now since I hook them up for free you will never ever ever ever see them with thier own weed, even if I ration them to like 1 hit a day.

they get used to being on the dole. and cant even think about the days they used to fend for themselves.

and another unintended circumstance is that the guy making 140 million per year is doing it why? for the money which to him may = clout / poweror whatever

if you take away all the money / clout he is working for he will not care to make that money anymore

as there would be no reason to make somthing that was mostly going to somone else.

then you depress the economy while depressing initiative of the people you are now hand feeding.


the middle ground is where we need to be. dont hand feed except the young and old

dont overtax to the point of depression.
 

Johnnyorganic

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Well la-ti-da. You know ViRoid, it's really not about you and I. We just tend to personalize it. It's really about all Americans from the poorest motherfucker to the richest prick. Re-distribution of wealth is the governments job. Trying to equalize the playing field to give everyone that wants to work a job should be job one. Fuck lazy assholes that refuse to work, let them starve, but for those that can't, we need to provide a healthy productive chance. When there are no jobs due to unmitigated greed by the top 10%, then we are fueling a revolution. as far as I'm concerned, let-er-rip.
LOL! I quite agree. Bring on your 'revolution.' Although I fail to see how much of a threat a bunch of Welfare Queens and entitlement mentality brokedicks can pose.

Me? I'll stand with the Oath Keepers.
Never took money out of my pocket for cocaine, what's your claim to fame, born with the spoon, eh?
I can understand if you feel underprivileged because my parents took responsibility and were able to send me to a good school. I was raised to believe that one took care of one's own.

But what should truly alarm you is that I am not using that education, at least not in the way most people think I should. Since I sold my business and moved away from the big city I have found peace working for as little pay as possible. I will not contribute one cent more than necessary to support your 'perfect' society. And I can keep this up as long as the looters are in charge. I live quite well on very little.

Shrugging worked out very well.
 

The Warlord

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I understand most of your thinking, and just like you and all the conservatives, I don't want to give my money away. I do, although, think the top 10% should be taxed much higher than they are. Say one is making 140 million a year, at a 90% tax rate, that would still leave them 12.6 million bucks. If you can't adjust to that, then fuck you. I have no compassion for the rich, just as they have none for me, I've said all along, this is not about dems VS repukes, This is about rich VS poor, it is and always has been a class struggle. The middle class, (which was built by the unions) is fast dissapearing, the Unions have been scapegoated by the elites to get the blame for these times, while the rich keep grabbing all the loot. It seems pretty simple to me, it's the wannabees that keep the insanity going, look in the mirror big P, are you a wannabee?
So basically fuck em huh? Lets punish them for their success? Man thats crazy. Rich people already pay a LOT of taxes. 90%? NOBODY should or would put up with that. It's ridiculous.

As to unions I've been there done that and didn't care for it. Makes for a lazy but I deserve a raise mentality. I hated being Union.
:cuss::cuss::cuss:
 

medicineman

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So basically fuck em huh? Lets punish them for their success? Man thats crazy. Rich people already pay a LOT of taxes. 90%? NOBODY should or would put up with that. It's ridiculous.

As to unions I've been there done that and didn't care for it. Makes for a lazy but I deserve a raise mentality. I hated being Union.
:cuss::cuss::cuss:
I guess you forget that it was basically the unions that allowed the workers to rise to middle class, send their children to colleges and better themselves. Yeah, screw the unions, eh? Oh how nice it must be to be you
 
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