A can buy a Budweiser or jack Daniels anywhere in the world where alcohol is sold and it's the same exact product world wide. That's just not possible with weeD.
HC trying to shut down dispensaries...so they can ROB you at an LP
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Hc doesn't approve strains. They approve the end product after it's met their criteria for sale to medical patients. The strain could be called dog shit and if it meets the "safety standards" of hc they it can be sold. If a strain isn't approved by hc and it's being grown by a lp its because it doesn't meet those standards.
ricky1lung
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Fair enough, as a consumer I was under the understanding that lp's were limited to approved strains. Like I said, I have no stake in it from either side. Just a consumer looking at it from the business side.
Not that I'm an investor, or want to be. Just as someone who watches what happens and understand how running a business works.
Having an extremely controlled closed market is a huge advantage this early in when the market is set to explode in expansion.
The strain isn't approved the final Meds need to meet strict standards before they can be sold. It's not like hc says ok pink kush is good to go but the purple isn't based on the strain. It's based on the final product. Each generation of a plant is diffrent anyway the notion that mmj could be approved based on strain makes no sense. Each batch of meds has to be tested and approved before sale. The early adopters theory of investment I this business sector is hugely misleading. The good stuff is out there and it isn't lp's growing and selling it.
ricky1lung
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That's probably exactly true, but you do see how this has given them an opportunity to build a brand and expand in new markets to increase profits before those other growers are legally able to enter the market?
It gives the current lp's time to develop and even source the best gowers. The current system is designed to crush the competition before it gets a chance to enter the market.
torontoke
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Looking at it from an investors perspective the first thing id ask is "what makes you think that lps expanding is somehow going to magically improve their product?"
Instead of focusing on keeping meds that patients need in stock all they care about is expansion and more strains etc.
The lps had more than a fair shot to monopolize the market and have shit the bed. I still dont understand how its 8-12 a gram from an lp with a 300 000 sq foot flower room but i can buy it from a guy with 3 lights for 3-4$. They should be able to flood the market at $2 a gram and still make money.
The lps better hope that canada doesnt look to the colorado model or lps are fukt.
Thats why they are looking to expand to other countries because no one wants their shit here and the people that are forced to buy it now do so because they have no other choice. I know many patients that order from lps with gritted teeth and hate in their eyes.
Doesnt sound like anything id invest in.
You're missing the important thing about branding. McDonald's or Tim hortons to use different examples, are brands when you buy a product from them you pretty much know what you're getting each and every time no matter where in the country you go to. No so with weed. Do some reading on phenotypes/cloning and you'll get what I'm saying. Even if you clone a good proven strain there are genetic changes that happen generation to generation. And the legality of the mj market means very little except to end cost per gram. The bm is 1000's of time bigger then the med market and it's flourishing.
They will never flood the market medical or rec. They don't have the capacity or experience. No one has it. Not to be a country wide consistent brand that is.
torontoke
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What exactly is a country wide consistent brand in the mj world man?
You cant even buy a pack of seeds and expect consistency so how can u expect it from anyone?
And i think the lps should have had their huge rooms dialed in now and producing more than enough to sell for reasonable prices. I understand they have extra costs and testing etc but their capacity is unlimited almost.
Exactly my point toke. Having a huge scale mj business that constantly meets a set level of quality is a very hard thing to do. Doing it on the small scale is possible as we all know. But the idea that branded weed will ever be attractive to consumers is insane. If I buy one bad gram I'm not giving them a second chance. And that's how most people work/think about products. If you buy something and it's shit you're not going to buy it again and again hoping the company will eventually get it right.
Even then pop a pack of beans and you'll get that many new phenos that are of diffrent quality. Right?
torontoke
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Yes to a certain degree but in the pack of seeds is probably a chance at one of 20 phenos of the parent stock that can be close in consistency to each other but could also be night and day.
Most breeders are quick to the salesfloor without locking down strains. So with most seeds that are f1 u are playing the lottery.
torontoke
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Ya i think for once we are in agreement lol i guess it was bound to happen
I'll smoke to that.
chex1111
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Well, I think i understand some of the reasons that LP's have more cost than a guy with 4 lights:
1 the small scale grower is using property he already pays for to live on, while the LP has a lease or building costs
2 the small grower doesn't have to meet electrical, plumbing or fire code
3 he doesn't have to carry special insurance
4 he doesn't have to pay employees and take the money left over as he is the sole employee asides from trimming, pruning , or potting up
5 he doesn't have to try to coordinate a new system with a bunch of random employees who don't normally work together
6 he doesn't have to deal with paying for product testing at a lab
7 no paying taxes on employees and product sales
8 at the small growers place- 100% of people working know what the hell they are doing
9 no large scale pest or pathogen problems
10 no dealing with uncooperative HC for endless hours
11 cash flow moves faster for a small scale because product turnover is way faster
12 coordinating more people is always slower than less people
13 the small grower doesn't have to deal with stakeholders, or investors that want a say in how things are done that know not very much at all, but think they are geniuses cause they have $
14 no training dumbasses and liars who are there to spy on the company instead of actually work the plan forward
15 the small scale grower is probably a GROWER not a businessman looking for a quick buck and his knowledge or the craft is far deeper
Girl Scout cookies are a perfect example of what you're saying. The phenos I tried south of the boarder were all miles better then the noes I've tried up here.
Quoted for posterity. Don't you think GROWERS should be growing the weed? Not people who don't have a fucking clue? Just interested in maximizing profits?
torontoke
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Agreed
Now on the flip side the smallscale guy only has a small room in the property he lives on.
He can only grow 1/1000 the number of plants.
He can only buy his supplies in smaller quantities paying 2-300 markup retail.
He risks going to jail and still finds a way to carve out a living.
At cheaper than lp prices.
How?
Because greed hasnt taken over his mind while he steps on sick people.
Not sure many of you believe in karma or not but i hear shes a bitch