Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

repvip

repvip

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peaceb2usall said:
I wonder this and what about a nice mini cloner with the below:



Roughneck® Storage Box - 10 gal



Would it work?
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It WILL work, but the 14gal are much better and I can tell you this from experience.. I tried making a cloner out of the 10gal and had a hard time because of the height of the water pump.. unless you use elbows and curl down, then around, the 2" net pots will be hitting the PVC because they will basically reach to the top of the pump.. if that makes any sense.

I think SB's plans have the sprayers roughly 4.5" from the top of the roughneck container. To match that with the 10gal, the sprayers would only be about 4" from the bottom of the container. The ecoplus 296gph is roughly that height alone.

So yes it is totally possible.. just be aware of the clearence issue.
 
StinkBud

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outlawcustombikes said:
Stinkbud,

I have built a 10 site cloner unit as per your instructions, and a 40 site flower unit per your instructions (not in use yet).

My question is, My well water is hard (around 325 ppm) would this keep my cuttings in the cloner from rooting as fast as say distilled water or something of that nature. I took cuttings as I normally would (for peat pellets) and placed them in the 2" net pots with neoprene collars.

I am using a 1 min.-On / 4 min. -Off recycle timer, (that is all I could find locally) along with 1/2 rate of "rootmaster" rooting horomone (since my ppm is high to begin with). I check the ph daily and it stays in the general area of 5.2 - 5.8. I just want to see if anyone thinks the high ppm of my well water will affect rooting??

Cuttings have been in the clone system for 12 days now and I don't see any signs of root nubs or anything yet. I got impatient with the 1st batch of cuttings after 10 days and threw them out even though they were still perky and looking good but again, no signs of roots.

Thanks, ~Outlaw~
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My NYC Diesel has been in the cloner for a month and I'm just now seeing root nubs. Some strains take a long time to root!

On the other hand my Snowbud pops in 4-7 days everytime. Go figure!

7-14 days is average. All I care about is that I have 14 rooted clones every three weeks. So far that has never been a problem.

That's why its nice to have more holes in your cloner than you need.

You will be fine once you get everything in rotation.

Anything over 200 PPM for water is excessive. You might want to invest in an RO machine. My water is 175-200 PPM and I've never had a problem. We have VERY clean water though.

Can you believe the best water in the US is from Artesian springs in New York state.
 
StinkBud

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andyman said:
hey stinkbud Im making my cloner tonight , but Im using 14 gallon rubbermaid roughneck totes and was looking your plans over and there for 18gallon totes.
my question is how far down from the top of the lid does the "H" shape sprayer unit need to be down from the lid. or is it not real critical and I can just figure about 4 or 5 inches?

thanks for all the help you have given to people worldwide
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The plants don't have a ruler:weed:. You just need to make sure all the net pots are being sprayed. An inch or two really shouldn't matter.
 
StinkBud

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StinkBud said:
The plants don't have a ruler:weed:. You just need to make sure all the net pots are being sprayed. An inch or two really shouldn't matter.
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I think a 14 gal will be as good if not better than the 18 gal containers.

I want to make a veg unit out of 14 gals. I can't find them anywhere local. I've been everywhere within an hour of my home and must of called a hundred places.:confused: WTF
 
StinkBud

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flabbyone said:
Black is good for your res, but I am not so sure about your plant box. I would think you would be much better off with a reflective surface under your plants, but I am no pro. Last time I was looking at this thread I think it was like page 90 or so. That was like 2 days ago or something and I may have missed why you are looking at black.

I guess this is as much of a question as it is a comment.
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The black blocks all the light to the roots. Dark Blue is fine also.

The black trash bag works great for a res liner and blocks the light too!

I guess you could paint it if it bothers you..
 
andyman

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StinkBud said:
I think a 14 gal will be as good if not better than the 18 gal containers.

I want to make a veg unit out of 14 gals. I can't find them anywhere local. I've been everywhere within an hour of my home and must of called a hundred places.:confused: WTF
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got my 14 gallon ones at menards for $6 each

made the cloner per your directions but lowered it half an inch so the net pots would clear. tried just drilling very small holes rather than using sprayers and it just shot streams like a squirt gun or my girlfriend. kidding
guess ive got to order the spray heads next. the closest hydro store is like an hour away, so I have to use fleabay most of the time

thanks for all your help
 
StinkBud

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flabbyone said:
Hi Stink,:weed:
Have you heard of the organic-hydroponic hybrid system? I think they talk a little bit about the topic on RIU, but there is not a whole lot of info on it from people who have tried it. :joint:

What it is would be kind of a cross between soil and hybrid grow. They use the top roots for nutrients which are sitting in dirt so that any organic nutrients can be used directly without making a tea. Using organic ferts in the dirt and plain old water in a bucket under it so that the bottom roots can grow out into the water for hydration. There is no nutrients in the water. Basically, if you took a GH waterfarm, drill out larger holes in the bottom which needs to be done with this system anyway, then putting a layer of coco fibers or the like on the bottom of the top bucket to keep the dirt in the top bucket and not filter down to the water and make yuk soup.:spew:

My friend did one bucket, although he did not use a name brand system like the waterfarm, he only used it as a Basically. He grew one plant from seed in it and the darn thing went male on him, but it grew very nice and quick. He is going to use it to pollinate one of his private strains to get some more Indica back into his plants. They seem to be heading leaning to the Sativa strain in his latest crop of seed. Other then his small male plant, I have only heard from the original poster on someone using this system. :???:

What do you think? Have you or anyone else for that matter tried this system? Sorry to jack your thread, but everyone that is anyone is reading your fantastic post. Do you write for a living? You evidently have some education by the way you write. So articulate. :razz:

Thanks for all your help Stinky and everyone else. You guys have almost got me to grow something. You have sparked my interest into trying this system. I calculated out how much it would cost me locally and I came up with $145.00 which includes an extra pump for emergencies. I see they want $800 for the store bought version similar to your system.
Not a bad markup considering I bought my parts for retail price. :grin:
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I was really looking for a super simple system (SSS) for my own needs. I do a ton of research all the time. Obviously growing is one of my hobbies and learning is the fun part.

Ironically when I grow with soil I use half pearlite and half soil. I run PVC pipes in the corners down to a layer of hydroton pellets. I have a screen covering the pellets so the soil won't fall through.

I have to water the plants every other day and almost all the water just runs right through. The concept is very similar to the hybrid system. If I added a drip system and a water return, it would be a fully automated hybrid system.

The only thing is...My aero system grows 3x as fast as my soil plants. I just did a test and aero beat soil hand down. I'm conducting the taste test as I write this response.

To be totally honest with you the Aero buds taste better than the soil. The soil tastes awsome but the hydro has been flushed for two weeks and burns ultra clean and tasty! I flushed the soil plants but you can never get all the nutes out of soil.
 
StinkBud

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Milton187 said:
I will paint the unit with a rubberized paint. Flat white. I've used it on everything so far. I am worried about heat transfer with the black.

It is the bucks saved and "give the money to the little guy" part that I like.

Can't beat the price.

Milty
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Your plants will never know the difference. Don't worry about heat as the plants will shade everything in a week anyway.
 
StinkBud

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westmich said:
A couple of questions and a comment from a newbie. Sorry if it was already covered, but I read through the first ten pages and then skipped to the end.
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No cheating or you get sent to the back of the class:mrgreen:

Questions: 1) You said you used 2" net pots and then mentioned transferring them from phase 1 to phase 2 to phase 3. Did you use the same 2" pots throughout? You don't need to go bigger as the plants get bigger or would that just be impossible with the roots growing through the net pots.
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Same 2" net pots though the whole grow.

2) You have sprayers connected to PVC tubing inside of the fence posts between each pot hole. Do the sprayers spray in both directions to get roots on either side? I am assuming the runoff from the sprayers is the NFT part of the system.
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Sprayers are 360 degree. Runoff water is the film of nutrients, (Nutrient Film Technique).

Comment: I think it would be a good idea to take Stinkbuds original, instructional posts with images, not the replies or follow up, and post it as a single sticky. Awesome posts.
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I did, it's back a few pages....

No sticky though. I guess the moderators don't like me...
 
StinkBud

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andyman said:
got my 14 gallon ones at menards for $6 each

made the cloner per your directions but lowered it half an inch so the net pots would clear. tried just drilling very small holes rather than using sprayers and it just shot streams like a squirt gun or my girlfriend. kidding
guess ive got to order the spray heads next. the closest hydro store is like an hour away, so I have to use fleabay most of the time

thanks for all your help
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That's funny....
 
Milton187

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Hey thanks to everyone for their input and help!

Stinkbud, on average how much dried bud material do you get from the aeroponics per plant?

On average what is the yield per plant on soil?

I am enjoying the heck out of this thread!

Uncle Milton
 
flabbyone

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StinkBud said:
I think a 14 gal will be as good if not better than the 18 gal containers.

I want to make a veg unit out of 14 gals. I can't find them anywhere local. I've been everywhere within an hour of my home and must of called a hundred places.:confused: WTF
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The 14 gallon was all I could find here. You want me to send you some?
 
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torrey420

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Hey Stinkbud and other experts, what do you use to adjust your PH levels? I have a solution now that really raises the ppm when I use it.
 
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