Im not the one that quoted "2000" ppm's running "10 DIFFERENT" strains, Stinkbud did.
All I asked was what "EC" 2000 ppm's is, because saying 2000 ppm's could mean 3 different EC's. What a crime I committed.
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All I asked was what "EC" 2000 ppm's is, because saying 2000 ppm's could mean 3 different EC's. What a crime I committed.
Thanks Dan,
Im thinkin you could kill it in Stinkbuds "spray and drain" runnin 1.2-1.4 EC
No sense in wasting twice the nutes that you need.
Im building one here shortly to run vertical lighting,
Good deal, even the 1 min. on 4 min. off would work.
My buddy owns this shop and gives me 20% off everything, Im thinkin of getting a couple of these.
http://www.4hydroponics.com/growroom/timers2.asp?ItemNo=capARTtimer
Lt. Dan
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Thanks, and good luck with your build.
mindphuk
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We ALL UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. You don't have to keep repeating it every time you post. We KNOW that PPM is a calculation based on EC but did you also know that optimum EC of one nute formula is going to be different than optimum EC of another nute formula for the same plant? An organic nute like Pure Blend Pro can have fewer ions that can be immediately assimilated by the plant so will be safer at a higher EC than a straight salt based nute that dissociates easily into usable ions. We have been trying to get you to think beyond mere numbers and use your own personal experience and the response of the plants to figure out the correct level FOR YOUR GROW. People in Europe use EC because that's what they are used to and many nute formulas there use EC levels on their charts rather than ppm. They also use liters instead of gallons but you should be able to convert those as well.
Continuing to try to explain this to everyone when we already understand is futile and just pissing everyone off. It's really too bad you can't see that. No one seems to care because the precision you are looking for isn't there. PPM and EC are still only guidelines and never should be considered absolute like pH values.
JimmyT
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It's all good! As far as I'm concerned, none of this ever happened. Good on you for apologizing yet sticking to your guns. It takes a lot for some people to say what you just said.
I understand your concerns about the conversion but, if you weren't getting an answer about the exact conversion, why wouldn't you just assume that it was a Truncheon. It would've been the safest EC number for you if you really wanted to follow Stinkbud's instructions to the T. But, I'll stick to my guns about the fact that strains make all the difference when it comes to the amount of nutrients you give them
"What PPM level you run depends a lot on what strain you are running. 1700-2000 PPM is a safe number to start at but some strains can handle over 3000 PPM." --Stinkbud
Precisely!
midwestfunkmaster
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Those look great, nice job.
midwestfunkmaster
Member
Yeah, I read further in the thread and saw the limitations of this timer.
Its cool that you can use this for C02 though, thanks for the reply.
midwestfunkmaster
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Which timers should I get ?
for $49.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-nft1e-1minute-on-4minutes-off-preset-recycle-timer-p-1725.html
or this
For $69.90
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-artdne-adjustable-recycle-timer-wdaynight-function-p-541.html
I need to buy 3 of them so if i can save $20 each, that would be cool. But then again if it dies, the loss is much greater than that savings.
I'm not smart enough to build out the whole relay thing at this point. Maybe I'll be smarter next year.
////////////////////////He paid $25 more than the price posted. The first one is better because you can't bump the knobs. The lengths are what you are to cut to.
StinkBud
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I love you no matter what you say. I love my friends and my enemies. My love is unconditional...
Here is a printable ppm to EC conversion chart:
View attachment 1318074
I want everyone to understand this very important concept. Every strain is different just like every person is different. Some strains like high numbers while some like low numbers. What you need to learn is how to dial in your strain.
So let's say you start off with 1540 PPM using the Truncheon scale (2.2EC). After the first batch you notice that your plants stay a light green color. So the next batch you up your ppm to 2030 (2.9EC) and notice that the tips of the plants are burning and starting to curl under like a bird's claw. That tells you that you should be somewhere in between those numbers. I'd try 1750 PPM (2.5EC) and see what happens. It may take awhile or you may hit it the first time.
Another thing that is important to understand is Electrical Conductivity. Not everything conducts electricity. For example copper and gold are great conductors but rubber and glass are not. Organic nutrients contain many non conductive materials that won't show up on any meter. All we read is the salts in the mix. So remember, don't get hung up on numbers. They are just a starting reference. The number could be called Joe. All you need to now is how Joe+1 or Joe-1 effects your plants.
Does this make sense?
Stinkbud
P.S. Check out the Feb 2010 High Times and see for yourself if I know how to grow or not. Coming soon!!!
Here is a printable ppm to EC conversion chart:
View attachment 1318074
I want everyone to understand this very important concept. Every strain is different just like every person is different. Some strains like high numbers while some like low numbers. What you need to learn is how to dial in your strain.
So let's say you start off with 1540 PPM using the Truncheon scale (2.2EC). After the first batch you notice that your plants stay a light green color. So the next batch you up your ppm to 2030 (2.9EC) and notice that the tips of the plants are burning and starting to curl under like a bird's claw. That tells you that you should be somewhere in between those numbers. I'd try 1750 PPM (2.5EC) and see what happens. It may take awhile or you may hit it the first time.
Another thing that is important to understand is Electrical Conductivity. Not everything conducts electricity. For example copper and gold are great conductors but rubber and glass are not. Organic nutrients contain many non conductive materials that won't show up on any meter. All we read is the salts in the mix. So remember, don't get hung up on numbers. They are just a starting reference. The number could be called Joe. All you need to now is how Joe+1 or Joe-1 effects your plants.
Does this make sense?
Stinkbud
P.S. Check out the Feb 2010 High Times and see for yourself if I know how to grow or not. Coming soon!!!
midwestfunkmaster
Member
Lemme check this outHere is how I did just what you guys are talking about last year. Look at post 6 and you will see pics.
https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/101975-bubblelicious-outdoor-grow-journal.html
Dude? You're the one that said 2000 ppm's? You dont even know what your EC is. Your meter must suck?
I just joined YOUR site SON, what I read is,
Superstoner on your site cut your formula in half and kills it?
Maybe you aint the grower you thought you were?
By the way, I will spread my love to you honey, when you can tell us what EC your formula is, LOL! What is YOUR 2000 ppm? LOL!!!!!
NLXSK1
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It is not complicated and it has been spelled out quite clearly in front of you. It does not matter what exact EC stink bud runs because it depends on the MJ strain.
midwestfunkmaster
Member
Go on Fleabay and buy some bubble bags for $50. I use a 4 bag setup.
Take your frozen trim and put it in a 5 gallon bucket with some ice. Fill it to about 2/3 full of water.
Now take a piece of fence post and start mixing like you are churning butter. I sit in front of the TV and do if for an hour.
Now take your bags and stack them together in an empty bucket. Pour the trim/water into the bags.
Drain the first bag of trim and save it to rinse again later. What's left will be Bubble hash. Pull the bag tight on the bucket like a drum. Now scrape off the hash with a spoon.
Put the hash between 2 coffee filters and put that in a towel. Press the water out with your hand. After you get most of the water out roll the hash up into a ball and put it back into the coffee filters and towels.
Now beat the fuck out of it with a rubber mallet! That will press all the water out. Take your disk of hash and put it on a plate to finish drying.
Follow the same steps with the other bags. They will give you a different type of hash.
After you are done take the used trim and do the whole process again. You will usually end up with almost as much hash on the second round. I'm too lazy to do it 3 times!
After you have all your hash be sure to play with it like clay. I like to make little hash animals. I always like getting a little head,so I made one out of hash.
My friends once made an entire chain link necklace complete with a giant disk on the end!
If you use frozen trim your hash will be so pure it bubbles when you smoke it.
It also makes great medicine to take orally. Just cut off a small piece and swallow it like a pill.
You can also dissolve it in rubbing alcohol and use it topically for Arthritis.
Try it bro! You will be glad you did...
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