H202 hydrogen peroxide??

asiankatie

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So, my roots are a bit brown, i think this may be due to the flora nova since it makes the water brown. but as a preventative should i add some hydrogen peroxide? if so how much? it's a 10g res. but... 7.5 Gallons of water, Flora nova in there, no calcium magnesium this time. i didnt want to overload the ppm more than it already is @ 600 eek
 

VictorVIcious

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If the brown roots are caused by the nutes there isn't a need for h2o2. The way you can tell is by feeling the roots. If they are soft and slimy take immediate action. If the are firm you should be alright. H202 commonly available at your local drug store is 3% volume. I tblsp/ gal. I do this twice a week as maintanence. VV
 

asiankatie

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If the brown roots are caused by the nutes there isn't a need for h2o2. The way you can tell is by feeling the roots. If they are soft and slimy take immediate action. If the are firm you should be alright. H202 commonly available at your local drug store is 3% volume. I tblsp/ gal. I do this twice a week as maintanence. VV
I cant really tell... kinda soft. not slimy..
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I add my grotek H202 which is made specificaly for growing at 2-5 drops per gallon of water if the plants are established. Im not familiar with your nutes as I have never used them.They might be different as 600 ppm is ultra low to me I start at 800 ppm and get as high as 1600 ppm with fox farm nutes.Some organic nutes make the roots brown up some what like Fox Farm big bloom as its a brown nute to start with.The roots should have a light stringy feel to them. If they seem extra limp little slimy or gooey might be an issue.The store peroxide I have heard people use it but from what I have seen and heard it contains something differnet thats not so good for plants and since its lower concentration you need much more.
 

asiankatie

Well-Known Member
I add my grotek H202 which is made specificaly for growing at 2-5 drops per gallon of water if the plants are established. Im not familiar with your nutes as I have never used them.They might be different as 600 ppm is ultra low to me I start at 800 ppm and get as high as 1600 ppm with fox farm nutes.Some organic nutes make the roots brown up some what like Fox Farm big bloom as its a brown nute to start with.The roots should have a light stringy feel to them. If they seem extra limp little slimy or gooey might be an issue.The store peroxide I have heard people use it but from what I have seen and heard it contains something differnet thats not so good for plants and since its lower concentration you need much more.
Flora Nova is by General Hydroponics.

I WAS using foxfarm growbig was instructed to stop usage...
 

email468

Well-Known Member
aero or bubbleponic? if aero i would consider using some h2O2 per diesel's recommendations if bubbleponic and the roots aren't slimy - i would say this is normal.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Who would tell you to stop using Fox Farm Grow Big ? Its part of the needed 3 bottle nutrient mix.Need al 3 bottle stop one and your done.Diesel 10 drops per 4 cups holy crap man or is that the crappy regular home peroxide your using? Must be come to think of it or your plants would be toast if it was the commercial grow kind.
 

Sod Buster

Active Member
On the back of my bottle of Grotek Super Oxy the instructions say to use between 25 and 75 drops per gallon of water for potted plants. Below are some instructions for the use of Hydrogen Peroxide, this article is called "Hydrogen Peroxide and Horticulture" and was written by Bryce Fredrickson.


Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen, however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.

1. What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pretreating the water supply with H2O2 will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.

2.Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution, this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish colour with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginnings of a serious problem. An organic dirtlike rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscius circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

3. How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/overwatering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

4. How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.
Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 1\2 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2 when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.

5. Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities
Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web at Home - Hydromall - Your source for all things hydroponic. Direct order off the web (there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). H2O2 is used to bleach hair so the local hairdresser may have a source. The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water. 3%5%, 8%
Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.

6. What to do if you already have root rot.
In Dirt:
Use peroxided water with anti-fungicide (benomyl) and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Root booster (5-15-5) or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. If a plant is wilty adding Nutri-Boost may save it. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Root booster will speed recovery. If plants are wilty Nutri-Boost may help save them. Increase aeration of the water, get an airpump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.

Summary
The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.
 

Sod Buster

Active Member
Here is part of another article entitled "The Many Benefits of Hydrogen Peroxide" written by Dr. David G. Williams. As you will notice he says you can use 16 drops of 35% solution per each quart of water or 64 drops per gallon, this goes right along with the back of my bottle stating 25 to 75 drops per gallon.

Helps Plants
It is this hydrogen peroxide in rainwater that makes it so much more effective than tap water when given to plants. With the increased levels of atmospheric pollution, however, greater amounts of H202 react with air-borne toxins and never reach the ground. To compensate for this, many farmers have been increasing crop yields by spraying them with diluted hydrogen peroxide (5 to 16 ounces of 35% mixed with 20 gallons of water per acre). You can achieve the same beneficial effect with your house plants by adding 1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide (or 16 drops of 35% solution) to every quart of water you give your plants. (It can also be made into an excellent safe insecticide. Simply spray your plants with 8 ounces of 3% peroxide mixed with 8 ounces of white sugar and one gallon of water.)
 

blackout

Well-Known Member
Great info Sod Buster. Answered all and any questions I might of had about H2O2.:mrgreen:
:joint:
it is great shit ,my opinion ,i buy it fron the hydro shop and it is strong shit ,many a finger has been turned white from the stuff, but when i used to grow d.w.c it was amazing it really keeps them plants full of oxy ,which is what the brand name is oxyplus ,dont know if you get it in the states ,but sure you have the same thing, i still use it but i now grow in coco coir ,and it is still a good additive if used correctly ,in d.w.c i noticed the roots were always nice and white and healthy ,now i dont see the roots but the plants seem to like it.:peace:
 
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