GrowLab 80 - G13 Pineapple Express ... [200w T5 veg / 400w HPS flower]

Sr. Verde

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Just smoked some of the PE, 5 days from chop.. It's been in jars for a day..

WOW. Greaat stuff.

Smells like hay in the jars right now, but smokes sweet, and tastes like vanilla. First smoke impression: Gives you lots of giggles, great head high. Great every day chronic, good old fashioned high.

Can't wait for this to be full strength in 2 weeks.
 

noob78

Active Member
Just smoked some of the PE, 5 days from chop.. It's been in jars for a day..

WOW. Greaat stuff.

Smells like hay in the jars right now, but smokes sweet, and tastes like vanilla. First smoke impression: Gives you lots of giggles, great head high. Great every day chronic, good old fashioned high.

Can't wait for this to be full strength in 2 weeks.
How long does the hay smell stay around for?
 

ManOfSteel

Member
Thanks for the quick reply. First off is an error I made. My room is 18' (feet) by 18'. So I'm pretty sure I will have enough room lol. My bad.
I really am concerned at first with the fact that it is so big and I don't want to extend myself too thin. As I am so new, I understand the fact that experience will teach me just as much if not more than a book. I will be constructing the tent from scratch but I've found all my necessary supplies for purchase. I will probably start with a similair size as your gl80 as it seemed to have a good reflective nature to it. Obviously I will make it a little bigger as this room will eventually serve as a veg room when I can afford a second hood/ fan for a flower room. Ah but I digress.

As for a couple questions because I don't want to take up too much time, where is the subscripe and +rep I've seen?
Where can I learn about training branches?
When you said you were going to do a "soil soak" after you transplanted to your final pots so the roots could really get into the soil, how do you do that?
In your schedule of watering your plants, how much is a schedule, and how much is using a water meter or instinct?
When you say you just gave them water for a feeding, is it water with CalMag and bioweed at 6.5 pH or is it just 6.5pH?
How often are you flushing?

And I love your attention to detail (or as you call it OCD) because from what I've read and with how different the range of quality of buds that I've smoked in the 13 or so years I have been smoking, it seems obvious that the more you care about your ladies, the more they give care back.

The list goes on but I feel like my learning curve is already full at the moment and don't want to pry too much. Again thank you Sr. very much for such priceless information and even more for your actual correspondance
 

noob78

Active Member
Thanks for the quick reply. First off is an error I made. My room is 18' (feet) by 18'. So I'm pretty sure I will have enough room lol. My bad.
I really am concerned at first with the fact that it is so big and I don't want to extend myself too thin. As I am so new, I understand the fact that experience will teach me just as much if not more than a book. I will be constructing the tent from scratch but I've found all my necessary supplies for purchase. I will probably start with a similair size as your gl80 as it seemed to have a good reflective nature to it. Obviously I will make it a little bigger as this room will eventually serve as a veg room when I can afford a second hood/ fan for a flower room. Ah but I digress.

As for a couple questions because I don't want to take up too much time, where is the subscripe and +rep I've seen?
Where can I learn about training branches?
When you said you were going to do a "soil soak" after you transplanted to your final pots so the roots could really get into the soil, how do you do that?
In your schedule of watering your plants, how much is a schedule, and how much is using a water meter or instinct?
When you say you just gave them water for a feeding, is it water with CalMag and bioweed at 6.5 pH or is it just 6.5pH?
How often are you flushing?

And I love your attention to detail (or as you call it OCD) because from what I've read and with how different the range of quality of buds that I've smoked in the 13 or so years I have been smoking, it seems obvious that the more you care about your ladies, the more they give care back.

The list goes on but I feel like my learning curve is already full at the moment and don't want to pry too much. Again thank you Sr. very much for such priceless information and even more for your actual correspondance
The star by the triangle by journal post is the rep button and at the top of the page it says thread tools, click that and scroll down to sub. Glad to have you here:clap:
 
were those feminized seeds? or did u just get lucky and both turned out girls. I have a 4x3 growing space and am doing a perpetual but the veg cabinet eats a lot of the flower space. I was going to do sog/ perpetual but scrog looks so good and im dying to know what the weight is dry.
 

Sr. Verde

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Thanks for the quick reply. First off is an error I made. My room is 18' (feet) by 18'. So I'm pretty sure I will have enough room lol. My bad.
I really am concerned at first with the fact that it is so big and I don't want to extend myself too thin. As I am so new, I understand the fact that experience will teach me just as much if not more than a book. I will be constructing the tent from scratch but I've found all my necessary supplies for purchase. I will probably start with a similair size as your gl80 as it seemed to have a good reflective nature to it. Obviously I will make it a little bigger as this room will eventually serve as a veg room when I can afford a second hood/ fan for a flower room. Ah but I digress.

As for a couple questions because I don't want to take up too much time, where is the subscripe and +rep I've seen?
Where can I learn about training branches?
When you said you were going to do a "soil soak" after you transplanted to your final pots so the roots could really get into the soil, how do you do that?
In your schedule of watering your plants, how much is a schedule, and how much is using a water meter or instinct?
When you say you just gave them water for a feeding, is it water with CalMag and bioweed at 6.5 pH or is it just 6.5pH?
How often are you flushing?

And I love your attention to detail (or as you call it OCD) because from what I've read and with how different the range of quality of buds that I've smoked in the 13 or so years I have been smoking, it seems obvious that the more you care about your ladies, the more they give care back.

The list goes on but I feel like my learning curve is already full at the moment and don't want to pry too much. Again thank you Sr. very much for such priceless information and even more for your actual correspondance
OOPS. Lol yeah that's just a little larger. :)

Constructing a tent sounds good, but I'd seriously consider the grow labs, or the secret jardins. They are awesome for growing. I used to think about making my own stuff too but now I just leave it to the pros :lol: these guys have it down to a science. Like you can grow in home made stuff, it works really well. But the grow tents these days are still worth the money, at least I think.

If you make your first cabinet, I'd expand to like a 5x5 tent with a 1000w light, or lika 10x5 tent for 2 1000w lights. Still have room for big 20 inch fans mounted on the walls, with portable AC inside too. And about a foot on each side to walk around the canopy. :) :lol: maybe that's too intense but it's something to aspire to! The 2'7x2'7 is a good size to start with. Though you don't have a lot of room to reach around / see the full canopy, so you might like to go with something slightly larger, and possibly with a 600w light? To start of course :). Just make sure you invest in a good inline fan with wide ducting. I'm loving on my 6in 330cfm max fan, and use it on setting 2/3.

There's a little sheriffs badge under neath your user name / info on the full site, to the right of journal this postclick that and it adds rep. But you have to have enough rep yourself to rep :lol:. Don't worry ill give you 150.. :D

I would use a lot of google fu for the branch training. It's formally called LST, or low stress training. I'd look into LST Techniques, here or elsewhere if the info is better. I use zip ties instead of string, I find it easier. The whole point of LST is to tie branches down to make them grow out and up, and to keep the indoor light on them as even as possible so the light can be very close without burning any tops, or not getting enough light on another top. I use SCROG to assist with my LST. ;)

Soil soak just means I drench the soil in water, remove the water that comes out, and then add more water in like 15 mins so the soil is soaked..

I have a set schedule for when i feed and water, unless they look very under fed or over fed I usually don't break that. Sometimes I will adjust a few nutrients to give the plants what I think they need. N P K, or micro nutrients. I usually list when I water with anything like BioWeed, but Cal Mag is used every watering. Except when I begin flushing I use only water. However, I do usually feed 10mL per gal with the food, and 5 mL per gallon with plain water.

I flush like once every 1.5-2.0 months. But I would like to think I can tell what my plant likes, and that I don't over feed usually, and when I do I am aware. Basically someone new to cannabis growing might make mistakes with soil mixes and feeding routines, so they might want to flush more than me to keep their soil in balance. Just make sure you have a good pH meter, that has a replaceable sensor. And pick up some pH calibration solution with it. It's worth it.


Your cool on the prying dude! Just burning some tunes on a CD for the ride to the hydro store :).

Don't see a star. Don't have the android app but I'm using a phone. On the full site there is a star with likes?

Totally go on the full site :) It's better, for now. The android app is probably pretty new and doesn't have the full features.
 

Sr. Verde

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hey verde how much water did you water your 5 gals with?

And do you think 10 gal is necessary.. did your roots reach the outside of your pots?
I used a 3/4 a gal of water every 5 days for the first few weeks of transplant.. Then a full gallon every 4 days around 3 weeks in, then after that a gallon every 3 days.


Yes the roots reached out side of my pots. I would do 5 gallon unless you have like 8 foot ceilings you want to utilize. You can get a plant 3-4 feet tall in a 5 gallon pot pretty easy. Honestly my plants were small for their pots. I'm fixing that this grow though, bigger plants same pots.
 

Sr. Verde

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So I got the beans in the soil.

BUT, sort of bad news - The white widow seed already broke open, and the cotelyedons were exposed, as was a small tap root forming. So I carefully placed that into a 3 inch deep hole and buried it right side up. We can only hope that it will grow, but it very well might not.

The Confidental Cheese looked great though going in the soil. Yay reserva privada, 100% germ rate with RP so far.

If the White Widow fails to break though the soil and begin photosynthesis before the confidental cheese, then I will germinate a sour kush seed and just let the confidental cheese veg a few more days than the sour kush. :)

Cross your fingers for the white widow! Personally, I've always wanted to grow it.

Oh, and picked up a 400w Hortilux MH for veg once they get in their 5 gal pots.
 

noob78

Active Member
So I got the beans in the soil.

BUT, sort of bad news - The white widow seed already broke open, and the cotelyedons were exposed, as was a small tap root forming. So I carefully placed that into a 3 inch deep hole and buried it right side up. We can only hope that it will grow, but it very well might not.

The Confidental Cheese looked great though going in the soil. Yay reserva privada, 100% germ rate with RP so far.

If the White Widow fails to break though the soil and begin photosynthesis before the confidental cheese, then I will germinate a sour kush seed and just let the confidental cheese veg a few more days than the sour kush. :)

Cross your fingers for the white widow! Personally, I've always wanted to grow it.

Oh, and picked up a 400w Hortilux MH for veg once they get in their 5 gal pots.
Fingers crossed for your ww. I have Greenhouse white widow, I also always wanted to grow white widow to see what the fuse is all about, and it being a potent strain helps too.
 

ManOfSteel

Member
So does that mean you are going to get a 400w MH for part of veg? That would be exciting! I have a 400w MH and a 400 w HPS that I plan on using but I really liked how your T5 200w worked when your PE girls were babies. I am thinking about getting one and then another hood down the line for my multiple room propetual. That is down the road a little bit though as I am getting ahead of myself. As for my room I have 50 dedicated amps and I plan to start small. Probably a 4'X4' because I will be expanding it later so I can fit a mother in there and some babies. Probable final size is going to top out at 6'X6' or 7'X7'. My full space is around 19' 6"X19' 6". I am just trying to plan ahead to have a full veg room,full flower room, and a harvest room. What I don't want to do though is push the wattage more than it has to. One thing I've learned thus far is that it isn't required the better you get at your care of your ladies. I do want 1000w lamps though as I already have a ballast that big.
 

Sr. Verde

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you know you can use your 400 watt from seed.. I use mine and my plants do fine just have it like 2 or more feet away :)
Yeah I know but I have floros so I'll use them for the first couple weeks to get them established then I'll hit them with the 400w MH at 10-12 inches.

So does that mean you are going to get a 400w MH for part of veg? That would be exciting! I have a 400w MH and a 400 w HPS that I plan on using but I really liked how your T5 200w worked when your PE girls were babies. I am thinking about getting one and then another hood down the line for my multiple room propetual. That is down the road a little bit though as I am getting ahead of myself. As for my room I have 50 dedicated amps and I plan to start small. Probably a 4'X4' because I will be expanding it later so I can fit a mother in there and some babies. Probable final size is going to top out at 6'X6' or 7'X7'. My full space is around 19' 6"X19' 6". I am just trying to plan ahead to have a full veg room,full flower room, and a harvest room. What I don't want to do though is push the wattage more than it has to. One thing I've learned thus far is that it isn't required the better you get at your care of your ladies. I do want 1000w lamps though as I already have a ballast that big.
The 1000w lamps are by far the most efficient for lumens per watts. You could get away with more plants with a 1000w. Keep your costs down by using wide ducting with hi powered inline fans. Then use oscillating fans near the canopy and things run surprisingly cool.

Your plan sounds good. You could put everything in one room, and control the smell pretty well. Make some room for your work area, drying area, vegging area and flower area. Use your work area for working on equipment and use it for trimming when that time comes around!

Fingers crossed for your ww. I have Greenhouse white widow, I also always wanted to grow white widow to see what the fuse is all about, and it being a potent strain helps too.
Thanks brother! And yeah I'm with you. Have yet to find some White Widow that makes me look twice. So I'll be excited if this girl pulls through. We're going to have some frosty frosty fun if she does :).
 

ManOfSteel

Member
Thanks Sr. Got to get good at doin this first before I want to make the jump to 1000w. I dunno but something to me says walk before you run with all of this and I would truly hate spending on waste especially if I'm wasting those beautiful lumens.

Sorry about the 400w mh question, very excited to see your girls grow tho. I hope that white widow comes through for ya too. I'm On a phone and didn't see the page updated in between glances at work.

Last question. What is your first choice on a good journal to check out.
And I'm leaning towards headband. One of my true all time favorites and I hear the yields are tremendous.
 

chb444220

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good luck with the WW man. ive had this happen with a couple of my seeds... the roots were like 3-4 inches long and had the greet cotyls showing. i just buried them a lil bit. and they popped right up. =D
 

iTop

Active Member
Verde! I have to give you mad props on the Kelp. It's like magic
I got some clones from a friend, blueberry clones :) and soaks my starter plugs in the kelp water, and a little bit of rooting hormone
Then dipped the clones in the powder and so on, and it's like they never stopped growing! No stress, no nothings :)
Thanks a ton! And good luck with the White Widow. Getting a camera soon :)
 

Sr. Verde

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Yep! Looks like the white widow is going to survive! The cotyledons have began photosynthesis. The Confidental cheese is poking up through the soil, still hasn't reached light or began photosynthesis. I'll start the journal when they are both workin their photosynthesis.

good luck with the WW man. ive had this happen with a couple of my seeds... the roots were like 3-4 inches long and had the greet cotyls showing. i just buried them a lil bit. and they popped right up. =D
Thanks! Yeah that's pretty much what happened. It looked crazy :lol: the paper towel *popped* open too.

Verde! I have to give you mad props on the Kelp. It's like magic
I got some clones from a friend, blueberry clones :smile: and soaks my starter plugs in the kelp water, and a little bit of rooting hormone
Then dipped the clones in the powder and so on, and it's like they never stopped growing! No stress, no nothings :smile:
Thanks a ton! And good luck with the White Widow. Getting a camera soon :smile:
Hell yeah dude! I love the kelp. Sometimes it doesn't do a whole lot, and other times it does crazy things. It's all about timing the kelp into your cycle. You did good with the transplanting, as the kelp adds a bunch of hormones that helps speed up cell division and root growth. I use it pretty religiously after transplants, and on new seedlings. If the roots are established, and they're growing foliage, the kelp helps speed the foliage growth a little, and just all around makes your plants much more healthy. They seem a little less stressed, and a little more happy with a consistent kelp feed. Kelp + CalMag makes my plants look healthy healthy green. :)
 

Sr. Verde

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Thanks Sr. Got to get good at doin this first before I want to make the jump to 1000w. I dunno but something to me says walk before you run with all of this and I would truly hate spending on waste especially if I'm wasting those beautiful lumens.

Sorry about the 400w mh question, very excited to see your girls grow tho. I hope that white widow comes through for ya too. I'm On a phone and didn't see the page updated in between glances at work.

Last question. What is your first choice on a good journal to check out.
And I'm leaning towards headband. One of my true all time favorites and I hear the yields are tremendous.
It's cool the 400w should work nice for veg. You could definitely get a 3x3 tent or setup, use a 6 inch gasketed hood with 400 watt ballast and HPS/MH system like me. Run some plants from seed to flower. I'd recommend using a screen for your first grow it's not difficult at all and actually helps a lot.

Then once you feel comfortable to move up to 1000w you can use the 3x3 for a veg tent or a mom tent, and that would be perfect space.

Sorry I get ahead of myself :). And sorry I replied to your post last, I noticed you edited it? I saw a list of equipment and I was on the way out the door when replying to the posts so I decided to save yours for later so I could take the time to properly explain things ;).

For a journal to check out? Just use google on some strains your interested and dig through them, that's a lot of what I do :). As for learning materials threads i have a list of those if you'd like. As for my threads.. the Sour Kush is probably a good one to follow. It was a pretty clean grow, no problems really. Great yield too, probably .9g per watt. The tangerine dream journal, that grow sucked. genetics sucked. not a lot to learn there other than tangerine dream sucks. :lol:. This pineapple express journal was certainly fun, but the girls didn't get too large with the 200w of floro. This time I'm thinking the 400w of MH should make them the proper size!! :)
 
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