Growing Papaver Somiferum (opium poppies)

This grow journal will be a mirror of one from another drug related site. The dates of the original posts from the other forum will be included in the posts to give everyone an accurate representation of the time frame of the grow.

I will work on trying to post all the journal entries so far from the other site as quick as possible here and then update every time the other is updated. I simply wanted to share the knowledge that has been gained here as well to help other members that are possibly interested in growing Somniferum.

More posts to come.
 
3/21/12

Mr.

SWIM
decided to start growing P. Somniferum because of his back pain. The doctors decided not to give him anything for it, so the natural way of attaining pain relief seemed right.

There are eight of the Tasmanian outside on the patio, in the shade but also receiving some direct sunlight. SWIM says there is another two under one(now two) 15 watt grow lights 12/12. They all sprouted outside in a mini greenhouse, in peat pellets and on the same patio the potted ones are currently on. It only took them three days to sprout.Waiting on Persians to sprout, planted two days.



Indoor Setup

Once the Persians sprout SWIM will add more pots of those with these ones.
There are two 15 watt grow light bars.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16713

Planted

Day One
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16710
Day Two
No Sprouts

Day Three
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16705
Day Four
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16706
Day five
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16707

Outdoors

Eight Tasmanian pots, on the mostly shaded patio mentioned above. SWIM will be transferring more to pots soon.


So this is what SWIM might have going on right now. Swim will continue to update as the plants progress. As of tomorrow, the Tasmanian will be 6 days old. The Persians 3.

 
3/22/12


Update


Day 6

Today there are no monumental updates regarding either species that Mr. SWIMS polydactal cat currently has planted.

The Persians that are in the smaller mini greenhouse,
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16726

didn't sprout yesterday on day 3. They have been in the front apartment window in direct sun most of the days past. The window is also cracked letting in a cool breeze. This should help them not get too hot. Today, day 4 for them, is overcast and a bit rainy. They could just germinate slower than the Tasmanian, no hope lost yet on them though.

In contrast, there are 6 Persian peat pellets planted (how's that for alliteration) outside in that larger greenhouse. For them it is day 2.

Watering


When the polydactal cat waters, it use a spray bottle to spray the potted sprouts when they look a little dry. The outside plants got a bonus watering today from the rain. The cat gives them a little spray though just in case. The ones indoors seem to dry up quicker, so they lightly get sprayed twice a day, in the morning and afternoon. Never at night. It is said night sprays can cause rot. The greenhouse pellets stay plenty hydrated from all of the condensation inside. The pellets feel wet to the touch.

A few questions for you guys about watering.

At what height should they be regularly watered with more than a few sprays? Like a small cup of water? The cabbage stage?

How much water do bolting/mature plants need each day? Or, would you water every few days? With how much water? Cat knows you stop watering when the petals drop off.

Anyhow, that is it for now.
SWIM
and Cat here looking forward to help with our watering questions.

 
3/25/12


Update

Day 7 (yesterday) and Day 8 (today)
summary of both days

Today had, so far, a normal growth for the Tasmanian. The ones in the mini greenhouse are mostly 2.5-3.0 inches. This is up from yesterday when they all were around 2 inches. They are approaching touching the greenhouse roof.

Still no sprouting from the 12 Persians that were put in the window to germinate. Mr. SWIMS cat thinks that the temperature was too hot for germination. These seeds have been planted 7 days. These were removed from the mini greenhouse and placed in the larger green house.
SWIM
needed room to plant 6 Hens and Chicks peat pellets and plant 6 of the Wizard of Oz red
poppy
. SWIMS, polydactal cat's wife, thought these ones were especially pretty.

She also is planting different types of flowers in planters on the railings of the balcony to help camouflage the Somniferum.

The Persians in the larger outside greenhouse however, the six of them, have sprouted. They are small, but breaking through the soil. It is day 5 for these. These have been placed outside on the shaded balcony. They really get no direct sunlight. Swim has started to solve this problem.


Outdoor Supplemental Light

Here is balcony normally
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16755

Here is the balcony with the light added. It is a 100 watt equiv Daylight CFL. All the cat can afford now to supplement the outdoors plants.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16756

New Indoor Setup

SWIM was unhappy at his polydactal cat's light setup for growing. Using the manufacturer specified "grow lamps" was a disappointment. They were dim, and did not do the job.

The new lighting consists of two medium four foot lighting fixures with one daylight (5000k) flor bulb and one soft white (3000k) flor bulb. There are 12,000 lumens total from all four bulbs.

Here it is
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16750

Close up
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16752

More plants will be added under these lights in time, and there will be another tote to place more plants on. The most likely candidates will be a few Persian and Hens and Chicks. SWIM plans to increase the number of supplemental outside lights as well in time.

SWIM will try to report tomorrow, and if not in a few days.

 
3/27/12


SWIM
from now on is going to try and be more detailed when it comes to this grow log. Here goes.

3/25/12
(more)

Hens and chicks planted by the polydactal cat today.
The new Persians are now half inch.


The cat also wanted to try China White and plant Mystery Mix 1. The mystery mix came from an auction that had many different varities of P. Somniferum in one small bag. Every spectrum of seed color is in the bag from black to white. Personally, SWIM hopes a Black Cloud grows.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16872



Moved 4 strongest Persian indoors

3/26/12


2 weaker persians outdoors in greenhouse still


Moved the rest of the tasmanian to pots outdoors.


Still no change with hens and chicks/wizard on day 2


Still no change china/mystery mix 1


3/27/12


No change in the 4 recent types planted


Indoor and outdoor plants both around 3 inches. Except for the younger Persians planted a few days later. The 2 weaker ones out in the greenhouse are around the same height of half an inch.


The first batch of Persians mentioned first post did not germinate. This was probably because they were too hot on the window sill. Mr. SWIM tossed the bunk seeds in the wooded area behind his place. Maybe something will grow out there this summer and prove they weren't bunk.

Nice healthy Tasmanian
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=16873
 
3/31/2012


There isn't much to report except that most of SWIMS plants, all about three inches, are now growing up to four small leaves. This is the case with the indoor and outdoor plants. The China White and Poppy Mix 1 have started to sprout. The Hens and Chicks and Wizard are being slow to germinate. One of them has sprouted but the pellets were mixed up so SWIM is not sure which type it is.


 
4/7/12


A large storm came through and pummeled SWIMS outdoor crop, they are all mostly all on their side, but look healthy enough. The indoor ones are growing some larger leaves, but they are still small.

****EDIT****

About half of the outdoor crop ended up dead as a result of this monster storm.
The little guys were too small to weather the storm. Where SWIM is at the thunderstorms
can get really bad.

 
4/9/12


Post in response to SWIMS log from chemroxx


- Ok, here's one to keep up to date on. I will for sure be tuning in to this thread when I'm online!

- My Water Buffalo, Spottie, is just a week or two behind you. He just ordered several different strains, I think Tazzies from 3 different sources (hoping to find a pre-2k cultivar, before they bred the
Morphine
content down and the
Thebaine
content up), Persian/Peshawar/China White (3 different cultivars of P. Som. Var. Album, hoping that different geographic source location of identical strains may cause worthwhile variations), a couple totally different Afghani strains from the Var. Albums, one that is NOT a hen and chick but is said to grow like a bush and produce 30 pods easy (a breeder strain for sure, especially if it's potent), a flavorful Arizona strain (it's a yellow P. Som! Just for kicks), and also a Turkish Somniferum, I think a VERY dark leaved variety, whose pods in a picture I found were just oozing latex in globs, and didn't even look scored!).

- Spottie is a plant breeder anyway, and makes hybrid varieties of all kinds of fun plants. People even buy his seeds at MMJ Co-ops, but believe it or not he is getting a little bored with pot (not THAT bored!) and wants to breed something new. Hopefully he will be able to use some of the black-market
drug
cultivars, like the dark Turkish or one of the white varieties that still have high Morphine ratios to bring up the morphine potency on the Tazzies, which are filled with Latex but need a higher morphine percentage if they are post 2-k, which they likely are. He also hopes to find a way to work in the Afghani strain with all the pods, and if he could make it potent too, then he would have a super high yielding variety with lots of pds that yield tons of high quality latex. It will take him a few years, he is sure, but it is his next great challenge!

- Have you ever thought about doing any selective breeding? You could start by just trying to find the most potent or highest yielding ones and using JUST the fertilized seeds from those specific pods next season. Do that for a couple years and your strain will be visibly different and likely better than when it started. You should maybe think about a Tazzie x Persian/China hybrid too. F1 hybrids often have a good deal of "hybrid vigor" that will help you improve the quality of your plants to be better than anyone you know.

- At any rate, I'm gonna keep tuned in when I can. When Spottie's seeds get here, I might start a little grow log for him too if I have the time..... Spottie is tilling a whole garden that used to supply all the veggies his family grew for the whole year and repurposing the whole thing for his poppies. It's maybe a little bit bigger than half a tennis court. Plus he plans to see if any of the varieties will do well wild around here. Spottie is saying he's more exciting about breeding poppies than he was about breeding
marijuana
!!!

- As you can see, Spottie likes to take care of his pain holistically, the pharmaceutical industrial complex is too powerful and has caused him problems in his life, so he will go the holistic, and he thinks moral way, and grow his own. He's already good at growing one kind of his own medicine, why not two?

- Bummer about the storm. It rains a bit here, and Spottie has grown a small test batch of poppies before. They got laid down by the rain a couple times when they were seedlings, but they recovered. As a matter of fact, the ones that stand back up the fastest will likely have stronger stems, which will in turn mean they can metabolize nutrients and sugars better, which will possibly help them be more desirable plants, or at least allow them to show you that they are superior. Good Luck, hope you don't get much more rain! Spottie is late getting started because of two freak SNOW storms, so I hope the weather gets better for this. Spottie has a perfect spot in full sunlight, as long as there aren't clouds in between.....

 
4/16/12

Post in response to SWIMS log from chemroxx


- Yes, he finally got half his garden fully planted! Weather is cooperating at last, even if it is a bit late.

- Oh that's a pretty little bugger! Indoors I'm sure it will shine. They take a bit of time to get going, more than other plants I know. Forgive my ignorance, is that 4 weeks from germination, or 4 weeks from start of sprout/seedling? Seems it must be from germination, but I'm more familiar with other plants and you would know better than I so I'm asking just to be sure. It is a healthy little sprout, that is sure! I hope Spottie's look so nice when they pop up! He is jealous already!

- I have heard/read stories or anecdotal tales, as well as seen photographs or videos, about Tasmanian poppies that are single podded varieties and multi-podded varieties. Has your cat ever seen any of those multi-podded ones before? Spottie and I are assuming that the single-podded ones are the standard type, but maybe an odd phenotype with a few pods pops up from time to time? Neither of us are sure, and he has never done this before. He is fascinated by plants though, and likes to gather all the info he can. Thanks for keeping us up-to-date with the polydactyl cat and his hijinx!

Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180481#ixzz1wPegFbv2
 
4/19/12


SWIM is not sure about pods per plant per species. Neither does SWIMS cat.


Update

SWIM added another light on the Balcony. These two lights contain one 1600 lumen 100W equiv CFL per fixture. SWIMS polydactal cat was worried that one light wasn't enough. The balcony rarely gets direct sunlight, so supplemental light is a must.

Balcony Lights
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17322


Up until today, there was only the one light and some of the plants are growing pretty quick. Hopefully the second light accelerates healthy growth.


Here are a few of the biggest outdoor plants as of today. That is a quarter in the picture. These are either Tasmanian or Persian. SWIM is pretty sure the green pots were Persian.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17321


Like it was previously stated, all of these plants are about one month old +/- 3 days germination time. Hopefully they are on course. SWIM read that after about two months they grow into the big lettuce type plant and after that they start to bolt.

SWIMS polydactyl cat is worried about culling these plants though. There are three big ones in that picture, and the cat will have to use its many claws to cut down two of them. Since poppies don't transplant well, if at all, is there a way to maybe try to snip two of them at the base and try to replant? It would be a shame to lose some of these nicely sized plants. Those three all grew in the same small peat pellet. Part of the learning curve is now only planting one seed per pellet in the greenhouse. SWIM got overzealous in the beginning.

Today, six Hens and Chicks and six random P. Somniferum seeds from Poppy Mix four were planted in peat pellets. The mix is called mix four because SWIM has four total random mixed P. Somniferum packets (seller bonuses). They of course are separate from the pure strain seeds.



 
4/28/12


SWIM
and his polydactyl cat's plants are doing well. It has been near a month since they sprouted, some more time, some less. The indoor plants are younger for sure. Most of the hens and chicks have sprouted, while the random mix hasn't.

Here are a few pics of the biggest plants:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17486
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17485
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17484

From everything SWIM has read they still have around 2 weeks or so until they get a big growth spurt. Some fertilizer was added the other day when they were watered. Just the standard MiracleGro. They seem to be doing good with the 2 CFLS, I might have to add more in time.

Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180481#ixzz1wPfstJ3D
 
5/3/12


So SWIMS plants are doing pretty good. The indoor ones are growing more and more. The outdoor ones are steady.

SWIM
heard about "overcharging fluros" and proceeded to do so to his indoor lighting. Now each fixture has 2 ballasts (one for each bulb) and instead of each bulb producing 32 watts like normal, each bulb is producing around 57-60 watts. This means each fixture is putting out around 11,000 to 12,000 lumens.

SWIM decided to give Hydro/DWC a try as well. Special Hydro nutrients can't be acquired as of now, so SWIM is trying 2 Tbsp of Miracle Gro. Just a little experiment to see what happens. The guinea pig plant is a smaller indoor one. This experiment will be scrapped if it fails, and at that point SWIM might just purchase another rubbermaid tote and try this again outside. There is a drip hose going into the pot, an air hose oxygenating the water, and a water circulation device.
Picture:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17650


 
5/6/12


SWIM is a diagnosed case of ADHD, and his multiple grows prove it. After borrowing some real estate in SWIMS parent's backyard SWIM now has four types of grows going. (the land owners don't know about latex)

Here is a picture of the newest grow attempt: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17727

SWIM had to build a makeshift wall around the grow to keep his parent's dogs from digging up the precious poppy seeds. He also put a giant piece of wood over the whole area (not pictured) to keep the germinating seeds cooler than if they were in the sun because it has been getting up to 90F here already. Once they reach a certain maturity the wood shade can be removed. No sprouts etc yet, they were planted only about two days ago. They types planted were China White and a mixture of random types.

Indoor Update

The indoor plants in soil are doing well. They are somewhat younger than the outside plants and the spread of the leaves from one side to the other is about an inch or so. They were only slightly bigger around than a quarter around 4/14.

Pictures of two of them:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17726
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/pic...ictureid=17725


The outdoor plants are doing about the same as they were in the last update.



 
5/13/12

Post in response to SWIMS log from blink1989


Swim
really enjoyed reading this thread. Swim lives in the UK and has just started his first attempt at growing poppies
smiley1.gif
he sprinkled some seeds in his garden yesterday and is anxious to see if anything will happen. Unfortunately the weather is pretty miserable at the moment, hopefully it will improve. I will post back soon if anything happens

 
5/13/12


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Swim really enjoyed reading this thread. Swim lives in the UK and has just started his first attempt at growing poppies
smiley1.gif
he sprinkled some seeds in his garden yesterday and is anxious to see if anything will happen. Unfortunately the weather is pretty miserable at the moment, hopefully it will improve. I will post back soon if anything happens

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Thanks. Would love to hear about your hypothetical grow. I'll update soon on how the plants are doing.
 
5/13/12


Ok, so as of now the plants are doing good. The outside ones seem to be doing better than the inside plants. The best growing of them all is a Tasmanian(green pot). There is an indoor Persian (black pot)with wider leaves though. It hasn't been quite a month and a half yet.

Two plant pictures attached. Bonus balcony at dusk picture added.

Pics:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26170&d=1336959367
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26171&d=1336959512
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26173&d=1336960066
 
5/14/12


SWIM
knows he just updated, but it was too brief. It was a small preview of this update.

Like previously stated, most of the plants are doing well. There is one plant however that decided it does not like small amounts of fertilizer or insecticidal soap. It is an indoor Persian and it had no problems until the application of ferts and the soap. This is the second time ever it has been given any ferts and the first time it has received insecticidal soap. SWIM got the organic soap as well to try to keep the plants natural.

All pictures are now going to be attached to the thread instead of linking. New pictures will also be uploaded in the March 2012 album as well. The damaged plant is picture 2. The first is a group shot of the outdoor plants.

The ghetto dwc/hydro system SWIM was playing with eventually killed the plant that was in it. When SWIM tries this again he will use a rubber maid tote and actual nutes by GH. Money is lacking and if money was to be spent on anything as of now, it would be more lights. Side note, one can have a two light overcharged T8 fixture putting out double lumens and watts for $20 plus bulb cost and a little tinkering. This is more cost effective than purchasing T5 lights.

There are also pictures of some of the new Hens and Chicks sprouts and developing persians. SWIM has had bad luck recently trying to keep the little guys going. This wasn't an issue with the Tasmanian. They grew like little weeds. The weather is also getting hotter and growing is becoming more challenging.

Pics:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26185&d=1337006430
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26186&d=1337006430
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26188&d=1337007425
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26189&d=1337007425
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26190&d=1337007425
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26191&d=1337007471
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26192&d=1337007471
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26193&d=1337007471
 
5/14/12

SWIM
got bored earlier and started tinkering with another two shop lights and combined them into another single overcharged fixture. Now SWIMS indoor setup (three 4 foot fixtures) should be putting out 36,000 lumens or so. Two of the fixtures have one daylight and one cool bulb and the third fixture installed today has two daylight bulbs. As you can see, SWIMS polydactyl cat uses the leftover fixture shades to set the pots in and reflect the light rays back into the fixtures.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26198&d=1337030146
 
5/14/12


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Well just thought Id make a quick post to say that I'm still here although not much has happend to swims poppies, it's kinda hard to tell if the seeds have 'hatched' yet, this would be day three.. I am praying for swims poppies
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and can't wait to see them grow. After this season swim intends to grow them indoors during winter.

Dogma Jones, I am following your posts daily and wish you the best of luck

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Just give them time and they should sprout. The oldest of my plants is approaching 2 months and is behind the curve somewhat in size to hydro poppies, but wild ones or those in soil sometimes take up to four months. Thanks for following my posts.



 
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