Governor Abbott's Tent City
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hanimmal
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I would love to see a good study on where these people are all originally from in these homeless camps. The state/county/local level governments of the places kicking people out and pushing them out to our large cities needs to get figured out.This is how tent city looks in Santa Cruz these days, but these are homeless people, not illegal immigrants. We're a sanctuary city.
PJ Diaz
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Here you go, is a 45-page study enough for you?..
Rurumo
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The immigrant bussing stunts are old news for red states. When I was doing mental health intakes at an inpatient psych ward, I lost count of how many of them received one way bus tickets direct from their home state to CA. This has been a common practice for at least the last 20 years, and both local county mental health services and local police did this regularly for their "frequent fliers."
hanimmal
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I think the chart following the one you posted were interesting.
So almost half of the people they talked to (which brings up a good question on how many people they interviewed, had been short term residents in this city.
I double checked and it looks like this is from about 330 out of the 2,300 people homeless. I checked the city size is about 65,000 so not sure, is this a large amount of homeless, as in is this a large homeless area over there?
PJ Diaz
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Perhaps, but if you look at the figures in the study I posted, that would only account for around 10% max of the homeless population here.
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PJ Diaz
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Short term residents, perhaps, depending on your definition. However only 10% were new residents, which would be applicable to your narrative that they were bussed in from out of state. Many of those 10% likely came on their own accord, perhaps even had a new job in town, and then when they discovered how expensive it is to live here and they got laid off, were plunged into homelessness.
Also this..
BudmanTX
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the freedom bridge incedant......
Gov. Greg Abbott backpedals on pledge to shut down border crossings and blames Biden administration for confusion
Abbott’s announcements come as thousands of migrants — mostly from Haiti — have gathered under an international bridge in Del Rio.
www.texastribune.org
my question is how did those haitians come from Brazil all the way to the border?
hanimmal
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Also can't forget that this could just be a biased sample of unhoused people who are from that city were more likely to be willing to talk to the people doing this study than those who were from out of town.
For sure, there are wide variety of reasons for homelessness, and region to region can have vastly different ones so no question people living there and getting laid off losing everything would be one way people become devastated.
The year ranges on this are pretty interesting. The pandemic (or something, could be anything that caused that time jump in reporting) must have screwed up their timing,
I wonder what happened for that huge jump in people last coming from subsidized housing, were they able to get kicked out under Trump during the pandemic, or did something change under Biden? That year jump is really interesting how it impacts how to look at this data.
Not necessarily, they could have come from another town 15 years ago and been homeless off and on since there because the weather is nice.
PJ Diaz
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I guess you have it all figured out about a place you've never even been, meanwhile I have watched it progress firsthand for decades, and personally know some in the homeless population here. You are pushing some narrative that doesn't exist here, we don't get a bunch of people bussed in from out of state. If anything people are bussed from out of state to big cities like LA or SF. We have a big sector who is homeless by choice, other big sector which is homeless due to mental illness and/or drug addiction, and also a large portion due to income related issues (loss of work and/or crazy high rent costs).
hanimmal
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It is hard to respond to your posts with actual thought you when you start off with the shitty divisive remark. It makes the knee jerk response trigger, which is unnecessary.
I think if you took the time, I believe that I agreed with you on my not knowing anything about that area, because it is something I said in my post.
Ok, if that report is from your neck of the woods then maybe you could answer my question earlier of is 2300 homeless people a lot?
I only have experience from over here and in Ann Arbor and Detroit. and it sounds pretty close to the numbers here.
That is what I am more talking about. More complete information to actually understand the problem.
This is lumping in people from surrounding cities into the county level numbers, which then gets passed onto a city, when it is a far more complex issue that some really in depth research might have meaningful impacts with fixing the problem as early as possible.
By 'by choice' are you including things like domestic violence and stuff like that? Outside of that, it seems reasonable to me that would be the issues out there.
At no point was I projecting any actual knowledge in that county report man, it was interesting and I will thank you once again. I didn't really get to my question of where people were from (as in born/first school), but it had a lot of really good information.
PJ Diaz
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Some of my responses are bolded in green in the quote above.
hanimmal
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It is tough online to not read shit without preconceived feelings creeping out. But like I have always said if you think I am trolling you, call me out on it, there is a solid chance I am, because I get tired of the propaganda trying to rip apart our democracy and it can bleed out into other things.
The Detroit number was off too, it showed Michigan total had about 9k homeless, but one report said that was 22k homeless in Detroit. This is what I mean about a really complete study about the nation's homeless being needed.
Instead everything is fuzzy because the Republicans want to continue to use this as a wedge issue using people that are so easily mistreated.
Right on, we don't get much of that type that I have seen here that are long term homeless anyways, winters get brutal.
Sativied
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I’m confused by this question, possibly missing the context but isn’t 3.5% homeless a gigantic amount anywhere?
PJ Diaz
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Several years ago I had a job offer from the University of Idaho. I first declined, and they offered me more money, and I was strongly considering it. I told them that I needed a few days to think it over with my family, because it would have been a big move. This was in January, and they had flown me up there for the job interview, and it was snowing, cold as hell (they didn't seem to have a homeless issue lol). When I can home and was thinking about it for a few days, the weather was just beautiful here in Santa Cruz. I still remember walking across the quad at work in the afternoon with the sun warming my face, and thinking about the great weather I'd be giving up. I can understand why it's a great place to be homeless here. Heck I went through a temporary homeless stint myself a few decades ago (VW bus style). I ended up declining that job due to not only the weather, but also the republicans, guns, and racism which is much more prevalent in Idaho.
cannabineer
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Intuitively, yes. But as hanimmal has suggested, the data are not certain. It is a difficult number to accurately ascertain, and local politics will always seek to understate the numbers.
PJ Diaz
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I think it's a lot. Here's a couple of examples of homeless encampments which have popped up and the past couple of year. The city ends up kicking them out after a while and a new camp appears somewhere else. This camp is in a park behind the County government building. I used to play in this park as a kid. Right now, it has fences around it, including the playground:
This one popped up behind Ross, right next to the highway. It's a weird plot of land that has unclear ownership:
These are just a couple of spots, there are many more which are more secluded.
Aeroknow
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Guess who helped build that Ross/Petsmart there?I think it's a lot. Here's a couple of examples of homeless encampments which have popped up and the past couple of year. The city ends up kicking them out after a while and a new camp appears somewhere else. This camp is in a park behind the County government building. I used to play in this park as a kid. Right now, it has fences around it, including the playground:
This one popped up behind Ross, right next to the highway. It's a weird plot of land that has unclear ownership:
These are just a couple of spots, there are many more which are more secluded.
Around 20 yrs ago.We (union, commercial) don’t usually do small jobs like that but it was fun.
I miss going to Harvey West Park. That was the park momma always seemed to take us to when i was a kid.
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