Rob Roy
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The funds have been "set aside"?
They aren't funds, they are debts, future debts. They did not set aside "funds". If anything they agreed to go deeper in debt. Or more correctly they agreed to put YOU deeper in debt.
God!!! Stop Throwing Away our money u POS!!!
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They aren't funds, they are debts, future debts. They did not set aside "funds". If anything they agreed to go deeper in debt. Or more correctly they agreed to put YOU deeper in debt.
doobnVA
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Me? I'm not in debt, but I appreciate your concern.
I have no problem paying taxes, because I make use of public services that are funded with that money.
My children go to public school, I drive on state-maintained roads, I live within the borders of the United States - protected by our men and women in service, my neighborhood is patrolled by police officers, etc.
The money they are using to pay for these benefit extensions has already been added to the debt, so I fail to see your point.
ChChoda
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I thought the "set aside funds" were to go to "shovel ready jobs". You know, to keep unemployment "under 8%". Or did you miss the O'memo (lies)?
You have kids? Did they have breakfast at home this morning, or are the public schools making sure they eat, too?
ChChoda
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doobnVA
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It's Saturday, dip. There's no school on Saturdays. My kids always eat at home, and I pack lunches for school.I thought the "set aside funds" were to go to "shovel ready jobs". You know, to keep unemployment "under 8%". Or did you miss the O'memo (lies)?
You have kids? Did they have breakfast at home this morning, or are the public schools making sure they eat, too?
The "stimulus" funds were for a number of things, not just jobs. Unemployment, social welfare programs, education, health care, and tax cuts are some of the other provisions of the bill.
Do you ever READ any of these bills, or do you just trust the right-wing media's interpretation? "I thought" means you DON'T KNOW. Maybe you should doublecheck your "facts" before you speak next time.
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
So the TV babysits today...gotcha.
8% unemployment was 1.8% ago...
Maybe you should get a job in the real world...you are an ACORN worker, aren't you?
doobnVA
Well-Known Member
Actually, we spent today at the museum, followed by bike riding in the park and a movie.
A job in the real world? Dude, stop acting like you ANYTHING about me. I work 2 jobs and go to school full-time. All "in the real world".
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
I don't know where you find the time...
doobnVA
Well-Known Member
I don't know where you find the time...
Was that supposed to be a witty comeback? if so, it fell short.
Seems there are many things you don't know.
ChChoda
Well-Known Member
c'mon now. You very well know the military isn't making us safer by being in the Middle East and places far off.
doobnVA
Well-Known Member
You know we still have troops HERE, right?
We also have a pretty sophisticated missile defense system and a HUGE department of homeland security.
doobnVA
Well-Known Member
I'm sure you're now ignored. Buh-bye. Troll somewhere else.
Purplekrunchie
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(Ha ha nice avatar Big P)
I have wondered many times, how did that women even get elected to public office, let alone be named speaker, aka 3rd in line. When I see her eyes, I see a soulless drone, sent from hell to drain us all of hope.
I have wondered many times, how did that women even get elected to public office, let alone be named speaker, aka 3rd in line. When I see her eyes, I see a soulless drone, sent from hell to drain us all of hope.
Big P
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my god for real i forgot she was 3rd in line, did you see how they are starving those farmers in cali of water over a 2" endangered fish thier whole city is out of work and litterlly scrounging for food so this dumb ass fish can swim around and have healthy kids. if I lived there and my kids had to suffer over a fucking useless fish like that it would be hard to swallow for sure
soon america will not produce anything anymore
It's farmers vs. fish for California water
Valerie Richardson
Supporters of California agriculture called on the Obama administration and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday to lift water restrictions that were imposed to protect the endangered delta smelt,
saying the fish is putting farmers out of business.
The Pacific Legal Foundation presented a "Save Our Water" petition with 12,000 signatures at a Sacramento news conference, calling on Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, to request that the Obama administration convene the federal Endangered Species Committee, also known as the "God Squad," to remove the water curbs.
"California should be known for the Rose Bowl, not a dust bowl. But there's a danger of a dust bowl being created in the Central Valley by extreme [Endangered Species Act] regulations," said foundation President Rob Rivett. "Instead of stimulating jobs, federal environmental officials are turning recession into depression and stimulating economic hardship for businesses, farms and families."
State Rep. George Radanovich, a Republican from the hard-hit San Joaquin Valley, said that"when it comes to water policy, humans come before fish."
The God Squad is a rarely invoked but potentially powerful provision within the Endangered Species Act that lets the committee override species protections in cases of economic emergency.
During a trip to the Central Valley in June, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar appeared to reject the idea.
Convening the committee, Mr. Salazar said, "would be to admit failure, it would defeat ecosystem restoration efforts. It has been rarely invoked and usually leads to litigation," according to Aquafornia.com, a Web site on the state's water issues.
As a result, proponents of emergency action are urging Mr. Schwarzenegger to throw his clout behind the idea and make the request to the Interior Department on behalf of the state.
Lester Snow, director of the California Department of Water Resources, said the governor had sent requests for reconsultation on the smelt and chinook salmon to the Interior and Commerce departments.
"The governor would look at the God Squad as indication that the federal government isn't responding. It's an action of last resort," Mr. Snow said. "It rarely works the way anyone wants it to. What the governor wants is a strong federal partner."
Nobody doubts the economic devastation to the Central Valley. The unemployment rate in agriculture communities ranges from 20 percent to 40 percent, while 250,000 acres of farmland are lying fallow or dying. The region's agricultural output is expected to decline by between $1 billion and $3 billion this year over last, according to estimates by agricultural and business groups.
Whether the delta smelt is to blame lies at the heart of the debate. While some blame the fish for the severe reductions in pumping from the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta, others argue that the region's three-year drought is primarily to blame.
Some environmentalists say the agriculture industry needs to adapt to the reduced water supply and live within its means.
"Big Ag must now learn to do more with less," campaigner Brian Smith wrote on Earthjustice.org. "The days of copious taxpayer-subsidized water exports from the Delta are coming to an end. And the idea of killing off numerous native fish species, decimating Northern California fishing communities and turning the Delta into a fetid swamp is simply not allowed under federal law."
The situation for farmers is likely to get worse before it gets better. Federal regulators are poised to enact more water restrictions to protect the chinook salmon, the steelhead and other fish. Estimates are that the cutbacks could result in the removal of 500,000 acre-feet of water.
Scaling back the Central Valley agriculture industry, also known as America's fruit basket, would have an economic impact that stretches beyond California. Americans undoubtedly would find themselves buying more fruits, vegetables and nuts from foreign sources, Mr. Rivett said.
"It's certainly going to impact our food security. We know our farmers here produce a product that's safe and healthy; we don't know what will happen if we're importing those products," he said.
Others supporting the "Save Our Water" petition include the California Chamber of Commerce, which urged state and federal officials to protect agricultural water supplies "from measures that will inflict serious economic and social harm on millions of Californians."
In May, the foundation filed a lawsuit against the Fish and Wildlife Service on behalf of several Central Valley farmers challenging the agency's authority to issue regulations on behalf of the delta smelt.
ViRedd
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College, I presume. What's your major?
