Getting off the grid

I don't think getting off the grid necessitates living in poverty.

I would certainly suggest keeping your health insurance and dental plan.

one of my dreams and goals has been to establish a moneyless society based on group owned land in a good climate......... it is becoming more and more attainable every day.... sure wish some people would band together with me seriously and committed like I am with honesty and integrity to make dreams become reality....... we could do it...... we have thus far chosen not to....... not a dream for me and mine.... but "us" to set a good example for the world...... to truly finally abolish slavery and effectively defy the elite.......

on that note i'm just gonna subscribe..cause i'm finding this whole thing interesting.....

theloadeddragon said:

one of my dreams and goals has been to establish a moneyless society based on group owned land in a good climate......... it is becoming more and more attainable every day.... sure wish some people would band together with me seriously and committed like I am with honesty and integrity to make dreams become reality....... we could do it...... we have thus far chosen not to....... not a dream for me and mine.... but "us" to set a good example for the world...... to truly finally abolish slavery and effectively defy the elite.......

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I've spent years to design & create a semi-self sustaining, "In the Country" enviorment". However, the same problems arose as has ALL social Communities. Farming is hard work, which I love, but with "others" not helping, not having financial guidelines, it's all screwed. Review the Divorce rate, & the rate of sucessful buiness partnerships. The sucess rate of finding the right people is only about 20%. So, beware. My theory was, why should 3 neighbors have to buy seprate tractors, water wells, plant 3 gardens, raise individual farm stock; pigs, chickens, etc, when one well, tractor, garden,ect., would save a LOT of money. But, it didn't work for me. Good Luck.

The Amish are the only true community that has stayed off the grid.... and been successful at it long term. It takes a discipline that you may find to be a rarity.

I'm a firm believer that if you love what you do, then you never work a day in your life. I get my "work", Passion & Hobbies all fucked up. While gardening, rasing a number of Farm Animals & wood working, I sit each morning, waiting for enough daylight to go outside & PLAY. The hardest goal, for me, is to have a stress free work & home enviorment. It's rare to have both, and it really is quite wonderful. I've moved past the Community thing. But here's my new goal. Whether it's meat producing aniimal(s), or gardening, the goal is to do what I enjoy, but have a high demand. The demand for grass fed Beef, range raised Chickens, pigs, or organic vegetables is higher that the market supply. Boggy Creek Farms is just one example. Resturant's has a very limited choise as to where to supply the kitchen. The cost to grow, harvest, warehouse, ship, warehouse then deliver half green, chem raised/low taste/low nutrition toatoes cost a fortune in overhead. I want a decent greenhouse with a regular outdoor Garden, where the Chef & I choise what to plant, & how much produce, & when. Cooking is one of my passions. If I was a Chef, I would love being able to set a 12 month per year menu via what to grow. I personally don't care what I grow... why not grow what the market will bear? If done right, I could do what I love, & the money will reward you. Just my dream.

Yes, it's about finding ur passion.

I remember when I was 30, I was visiting my Mom, and next door was a 13 year old kid who came over for dinner with his parents.

So after dinner I was outside smoking a cig on the dock and the kid approaches and we get to talking. All I remember was I told him that same thing..... he was looking for a bit of guidance. I told him... forget the money....the more you chase it, the harder it is to catch....don't ever take a job just for the money. Follow ur passion, work at what makes YOU happy. No fat paycheck can do that for you. You follow ur bliss, work hard at it, and the money will find you. If it doesn't, you will still be happy.

I forgot all about it.... that kid/man thanked me 20 years later and retold the story to me. At the time, he was a squadron commander flying F-18's for the Air Force.... and friggin' LOVING it!!

Follow ur bliss.....

Love the idea. But what about land taxes? the goverments going to want money.

will a doctor work without pay?
even IF off the grid, we would need supplies from the outside, and having a source of currency is a MUST.

This kind of reminds me of the book, The Stand, by Steven King, where people form a community....

Being off the Grid has 2 meanings. One, is a goal to have the elect. Co. to pay you, instead of you paying them. The other is being semi-self sufficient.contained/substained. While, also, providing the local, what they want & need, but is not afforded. Here's the frame of mind that I run up against. While explaining how wonderful the fresh tomatoes, greens, etc is; This Guy said He knows what I'm talking about because He always buys Del Monte can goods. ..... The majority of people has never picked their own salad, peas, etc., nor ate non-chem eggs or meats. People pay for these healthy things, which pays for the Doctors, new cars, etc. Out Houses, no. Starting a small business, yes? It's called a feasibility report in your local. It may be as simple as peas/shelled peas (They sell pea shellers which Yuppie scum folks don't know about), or Baby Spinach, whatever. You have to do the homework, first.

move to northern calu bro! you'l fit right in

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Love the idea. But what about land taxes? the goverments going to want money.

will a doctor work without pay?
even IF off the grid, we would need supplies from the outside, and having a source of currency is a MUST.

This kind of reminds me of the book, The Stand, by Steven King, where people form a community....

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form of currency? DANK! lol

Wow, I haven't posted on here in awhile and I'm pleased to see how many pages this thread has gone to. Haha, I wanna thank you all because this has proven to be my most popular thread yet!

I follow the news a lot and its crazy to see how the value of our dollar is being destroyed before our very eyes. Basically as I've been hearing it, the Arab countries and China are in talks of replacing our dollar as the world standard in oil trading, this is BAD news for all of us. All that printing we did to save the banks is starting to catch up with us. The more dollars are out there, the more it takes to buy the same stuff. At this point we need to start investing in real assets like gold, food, and fat nugs.

Many of us on here have a unique skill and assets to perform that skill. Its funny that in a depression cigarette and alcohol sales don't seem to take a hit. It would seem logical that ganja would follow a similar pattern. In the event the dollar takes a serious plunge or other significant event, having ganja will instantly become a valuable commodity because of the scarcity it currently has. Our lovely "just in time" production model is the most vulnerable to any kind of disruption. This will mean that our national vices of cigs and beer will become very difficult and costly to transport cross country. Luckily for all of us on here, we can fill the vacuum in other ways. Granted this is a worse case scenario and life will be very hard in many other ways, but if there is general chaos the leo's will be doing all they can to restore order and ganja will become de facto legalized. Once the last thread of faith we have in our government is lost, cannabis laws will be the first laws people completely disregard. Who's going to listen to the gov when they can't even protect their own money? Nevertheless, people will still need to eat and a starving person will do anything to get food. Barter and trade will always exist regardless of the value of currency. In the abscence of a stable money system, this may be the only form of commerce that will function.

On a lighter note now, we as individuals still have the opportunity to put ourselves in a position to best deal with any situation for us and for our families. Collectively we have the most advanced tools mankind has ever developed and with that being said, people have lived off the land since the beginning of time. With a hybrid of modern tools and old school knowledge we could accomplish much. And if things work themselves out, which I hope they do, then we will still have a rewarding and fulfilling life we are living. Getting off the grid would be beneficial even if nothing goes wrong. There would be a lot of satisfaction in providing for our own basic needs as human beings. I know it will be tough but rewarding work is good for the spirit, unlike the corporate servitude that seems to have been layed out before us as the new american dream.

ohhh so much to say........ but I will wait to elaborate.....

my head is spinning (Im really sick)

Replace currency, with a different system of value........ I will write more about it later......

takes lots of money to live without money......

and...... living within society in a State, is living completely ON the grid....... of course feeble attempts won't work in those places..... If you have health insurance, a job, etc. your on the grid, you pay taxes, your on the grid.... Im on the grid too, just the part thats a little harder to sort out

you absolutely do not need money to live off the grid there is just too much the world has to offer that is not taken advantage of, i have not been to a dentist or doctor in over twelve years-i punched one when i was like 10 or so-my teeth are fine just brush them twice a day, its important, and yeah i've broken a bunch of fingers, toes, got staph and i've never had shot. it's a fuckload of work but its just somehow not work to me if nobody says i have too. winter can suck though, but if you prepare it's kinda cozy. ohh and i don't ever hunt, just can, pickle(i pickle everything) an make flour like substances-some are better in my opinion-but the only part that bother me a little is gruel. it doesn't taste bad or like anything really i just like good food, fuck i just got hungry thinking about gruel....i don't live like this now cause my wife decided to try college, but judging on her opinion of college so far i'll be back soon and i can't wait.

theloadeddragon said:

ohhh so much to say........ but I will wait to elaborate.....

my head is spinning (Im really sick)

Replace currency, with a different system of value........ I will write more about it later......

takes lots of money to live without money......

and...... living within society in a State, is living completely ON the grid....... of course feeble attempts won't work in those places..... If you have health insurance, a job, etc. your on the grid, you pay taxes, your on the grid.... Im on the grid too, just the part thats a little harder to sort out

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Subscribed...

I am a like minded individual. Its going to be interesting what happens with our planet as a whole over the next 3 years...

Scientists already agree that Alaska used to be in a tropical region...near the equator. The Earths crust has shifted before folks, thats a fact. When it is set to shift again in several years, the event will be so sudden that the entire Earths crust will shift at once and will be completely shifted within a few days.

Of course we all know this will cause major earthquakes, major flooding, hell for all we know the iron core of Earth (what gives us a magnetic field) will somehow no longer produce electricity? Is it possible to live on a Earth that can produce no electricity...? It is only hard to imagine because we have never had to live it...but only a hundred years ago, a blink in our history on Earth, we tamed electricity. We STILL don't fully understand all the whys or hows with it.

When the Earths crust shifts due to an imbalance or slight wobble (you should all remember Earths not perfect), the poles will shift....its happened before.

Noahs Ark......

The evidence that the world had "ended" 3 times previously and now this time will be the 4th Earth...some believe anyway....

I don't know if it's still going on but a guy approached me years ago to deplug from the system. He had something called Barter bucks. He would provide a service to me.... fix my car or something and I would give him some barter bucks which he could trade for any other service by someone in the system. No banks, no interest, just trading bucks for work.

Come to Maine buy a house with 12 acres or more for 40,000 and live cheap until you get off the grid. 300 dollars a month in bills for me fuck working hunt fish forage grow cut wood bam done. Bartering is a way of life up here also and everyone loves the ganj.

hobogrower said:

Come to Maine buy a house with 12 acres or more for 40,000 and live cheap until you get off the grid. 300 dollars a month in bills for me fuck working hunt fish forage grow cut wood bam done. Bartering is a way of life up here also and everyone loves the ganj.

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Sure do. Think about all that land for sale around Millinoket....CHEAP! Mountains,lakes, wildlife. To bad the winters are a bitch.....

Just remember this about Maine, though we are a legal medical marijauna state, they refuse to aid us in aquiring the meds. As with the case of Don Christen, the athourities fight us tooth and nail http://www.mainevocals.net/dons_fight/index.htm)
Our state is fucked up too, We pay amoungst the highest state taxes of all our states, We have the least amount of employment of most states, we have the highest rate of cancer of all states, and it would benefit from cultivating MJ.

now i'm rambling...

i don't understand, how state level authorities in any branch could possibly think it's gonna help their state to oppose medical marijuana. specially one with low employment.