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stickyicky77

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he elabed on those already, NOT TO SLACKER friendly and to much to go wrong, i think it was in the 70 page range.

which air cooled hood do you havethe single outlet from the top or the dual outlet one on either end? if you have the single out the top then i see your dilemma but if you have the other it can be done start with: carbon filter-->duct-->one end of hood-->duct out other end of hood-->exhaust fan.

what is your width restriction i have a cool tube it is 31" long, if you put a 90' on each end it would be about 41" long, kinda give you an idea of how much room to work with..
This is my Homebox buy-the-homebox.com - universal indoor grow box kit and this is my hood with a 400W Super HPS and digital ballast Sunleaves :: Sunleaves ArcticSun Reflector and i have a 6" in line duct fan with a carbon filter. The problem i am having is that the cord for the light is on one end so i can not hook up a duct at that end. I also have a 2x2 flood and drain tray with 14 pots in it. I was thinking about a cool tube like this one but it is a lot of $$ Brite*Ideas*Hydroponics*and...
 

cmak40

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is it open tho? the end of the hood where the cord is? if so you can put duct on it and you just slit the duct so your cord falls thru and use foil tape around it. Rig it it will work just make sure its sealed, you should head over to the growroom forum tho for more room info. i personally agree with al on the slacker friendly thing, also that price is crazy...
 

Maccabee

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Yeah, ventilate your light on it's own separate circuit of ducting with its own blower fan (attach the blower intake to the return duct.) That should make a dramatic difference. My closet would be impossible w/o doing that.
 

stickyicky77

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Yeah, i guess i will run the fan through it and then vent it out. I will have to make sure it is sealed well where the cord goes through the duct. My temps right now with no air running through is 85 F. How many degrees do you think it will drop the temp when i hook up the exhaust to it ?
 

Maccabee

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Mine went from somewhere in the low 90's to the low 80's on 24/0 or high 70's on 12/12 . I didn't really take precise measurements before I hooked it up, as that was always the plan. I'd be scared to run the fixture any other way in the space it's in.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
AL have you seen the cool tube that is water cooled? I have been considering one due to space restrictions. Its not practical to have additional fans and ventilation for my Homebox. The water cooled tubes circulate water through the tube to remove the heat. It requires a small rez and a pump. The hood i have now is a air cooled hood but i have no way of hooking it up to the in line exhaust fan because of my carbon filter is already attached to it. To air cool my hood i would need to hook another exhaust fan to it and then the air would not be filtered through the carbon filter which would defeat the purpose of the carbon filter.
If there's any way you can avoid using a water cooling system, do it.

If you are using a closed air circuit for an air cooled cooltube, sourcing and dumping air outside the room's airmass, you won't have to treat the cooltube air for scent.

Hey Al, Check out this link.... The lightbulb of the future? video - CNET TV ...........

Have you seen this technology before?
I haven't- that's new. Thanks for that. :) They didn't name the light nor the manufacturer, only said that it was a plasma light of some kind. Would like to know more.

I'd like to know what sort of 400W lamp they were comparing it to. Looked like a mercury vapour lamp, which isn't a really good comparison. Would like to know what the plasma lamp looks like next to a MH. I'd also like to know more about the spectral output of the plasma lamp. It does look promising, though.
 

daddychrisg

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Yeah, I think I am going to do some research also....The thing that caught my attention is the spectral out put of the plasma..In theory, it should be very close to the sun, at least that is how I understand it...Let me know if you find some good info on the topic...
 

Maccabee

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I found this, with a spectral graph, on the LIFI 4000 (intended for projectors):

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf

It has a listed CCT of 8500K, 4000 initial lumens, and a CRI of 88.

And this on the LIFI 4000P, which looks even more promising:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI4000P.pdf

Up to 4500 lumens @ 6400K, 95 CRI.

I have to say, the spectral output looks good, at least for vegging. These are going to be waaay to expensive, though, with all their fancy digital controls. We'll have to wait for cheaper industrial versions.
 

daddychrisg

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Hey Mac, I was about to post the same links! Interesting stuff hu? I luv new technology, and this one seems very applicable in todays market of ever growing energy conscious individuals.
 

daddychrisg

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Fresh release...

LUXIM Corp. is pleased to announce the introduction of its new LIFI™ Entertainment solid state high intensity light source product line. The new module outputs up to 12,000 lumens from a small emitter in a forward intensity pattern with a color rendering index (CRI) of 91 and a 20,000 hour lifetime.
In applications like moving heads, scanners and follow spots, LIFI™ Entertainment light sources enable 50% higher fixture efficiency than conventional lamps. As a result, designers of entertainment lighting can increase beam intensity and reduce optical system size. In addition, LIFI™ Entertainment systems last seven times longer than those using conventional HID lamps and are safe to use in any application since they do not experience explosions or broken glass.
LIFI™ Entertainment light sources join other products in the LIFI™ portfolio with their full spectrum output achieving CRI of 91. Lighting equipment designers can use the wide spectral range of LIFI sources to achieve excellent illumination quality and densely saturated filtered effects.
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About LUXIM Corporation
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Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
The new module outputs up to 12,000 lumens
Thanks for chasing that up, dcg. :)

The 12K lumen lamp is pretty small. We're looking for somewhere around 40-56K lumens, the approximate output neighbourhood of 400HPS.

I'll nose around their site and see what they got. :)
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Yeah, I think I am going to do some research also....The thing that caught my attention is the spectral out put of the plasma..In theory, it should be very close to the sun, at least that is how I understand it...Let me know if you find some good info on the topic...
Before you go becoming a devotee of full spectrum lamps, think about this; cannabis is responsive to light of differing bands of colour in different phases of growth. It is most reactive to a bluish spectrum in veg, but a red-orange spectrum in flower. The reason for this is that the angle of the sun is high in the sky in spring and summer, passing through a comparatively short path through the atmosphere compared to autumn. The short path filters less blue than the long path late in the season. Autumn sunlight is decidedly more yellow-red in the latitudes indigenous to cannabis. The red-yellow light light colour prominence is a co-trigger for flowering along with the shorter photoperiod (day length).

While you can only do this in a grow room, you'll find the plant produces a slightly different habit with the differing light colours, independent of the photoperiod. If you veg with HPS, plants will be somewhat elongated compared to the more bluish MH, which will produce shorter internodal lengths and denser vegetative growth. Buds flowered under MH tend to be somewhat more leafy than those raised under HPS. Vegging with MH and flowering with HPS are the normal usages as these colours best complement the phase of growth.

However, cannabis does not need the full spectrum at any single time in growth. If a lamp produces light that can't be used, it's wasted. Moreover, if a lamp produces a broad spectral output, its overall intensity will be lower for a given power input.

This more-is-less is the case with Ceramic Metal Halide lamps, which produce a very broad spectrum but only 40K lumens for a 400, compared to 56K lumens for the ordinary 400HPS. CMH is being trialled by a number of growers at the moment, but it's been around since 1994. CMH is supposed to make a lot less heat output than HPS or MH and runs on HPS control gear. However, remember that it's luminous intensity which drives photosynthesis, not light colour, so at the end of the day, it's only 102 lumens/watt, wasting light in bands not used by the plant. Dramatically reducing thermal load on the grow op can be done with cooltubes- a 'tubed 400 HPS will be cooler than a naked 400CMH, so lower heat output lighting, while nice, isn't all that important.

HPS and MH produce greater luminous intensity because they don't attempt to generate light across a full spectrum, rather concentrating the output in certain frequency bands- coincidentally, those which cannabis likes best at particular stages of growth.
 

daddychrisg

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The 12K lumen lamp is pretty small.

Yeah, I did not quite understand what is going on with the 12k lamp..I thought the 250wlamp put out around 60k, that would be 20k more then what looked like to me, a MH lamp..

I have been messing around with my veg plants lately, and using a 430w HPS, letting them stretch out abit more then the MH would produce, "to about 18", then trimming the lower branches up to about 6-8". This gives me much better air flow in the bloom room, and the finished height of the plant is about 28", leaving about a 20" layer of nugs. This seems to work out very well with 600w HPS lamps in air cooled hoods that are positioned about 6" away from the canopy..Any how, I am starting to understand the uses and out comes of different spectrum's of light during different phases of growth, and everything you mentioned on your last post played right into my personal beliefs...So either we are both off the mark, or on the ball. What ever the fuck that means...LOL
 

Al B. Fuct

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Well, I'm not really working on belief as much as independently verifiable data. ;)

If the Luxim 250W produces a useful spectrum and 60K lumens, I'm in. :)

I looked in their positions available and found they are looking for a Senior RF (Radio Frequency) Electronics Design Engineer. I'd qualify for the position (I'm a BSEE) but have no desire to live in Sunnyvale... or California in general- but the position description lets slip a little about the products Luxim will have in the future.

They need RF amplifier designers, looking to make a 400W amplifier- apparently the Luxim lamp is excited by RF energy. They don't have any lights listed in their presently available products yet which would suit our purposes.

I'll also hazard a guess that a 400W Luxim light, if it must be driven with a 400W RF power amplifier, is going to be FUCKING expensive.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
One more note on full spectrum lighting... If you use a particular area for only flowering or vegging, it need not have a full spectrum lamp.

The only reason I can think of for using a broad spectrum lamp is if one uses the same area for veg followed by flowering. You'd just use the same lamp for everything.

However, that convenience is a compromise. A broad spectrum lamp of a given wattage which can do both veg and flower won't do either as well as lamps of equal wattage specifically suited for the phases with narrower but more intense spectral outputs.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Al, you dont agree with UVB increasing taste? more crystals????
No, I've never found anything credible to support the more UV = more resin/THC theory. I've heard lots of ppl claim that THC/resin are defences against UV, but I think that's a hell of a stretch. If a plant is sticky, it might be more reasonably thought to have natural flypaper than is making the goo to protect against sunlight.

Wives' tale, sorry.
 

We TaRdED

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No, I've never found anything credible to support the more UV = more resin/THC theory.

Wives' tale, sorry.

i watched something good from a guy named marijuana man explaining how uv's allegedly increase trichs.

let me do a little gophering.
:peace:
 
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