General Organics Talk
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City Grower
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Growing using hempy bucket, 18 gallon tote, using the go box, 7 th week of flowering. I have been bad cal/mag def for the last few weeks. I have also been using my ph up and down, more the up than the down. Could that be causing my lock out? I flushed with 6 gallons of water last night. 3 plain h2o and 3 with half strength nutes, but I didnt ph it this time. Did I flush with enough water and this should clear up my lock out, right?
Wolverine97
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Because coco has totally different nutrient requirements than soil. And the CEC is waay lower than almost all soil(s).
Banditt
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lol it does not. It just sucks up some of the micronutrients a little bit more. You can use standard nutes in coco you just have to supplement cal-mag. As for cec it won't matter since I will be PHing my feed regardless of GH's instructions. So pH should remain stable as long as I am paying attention.
Banditt
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Not that I am calling bullshit, but I'd like to see an example of one that is "incompatible" with coco.
malignant
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house and garden.. aqua flakes locks up due to an enzyme in coco not present in hydroton, rockwool, growstones... thus why they created cocos a/b.. look it up, call hydrowholesale they handle all of h&g's northamerican business incl q&a. canna probably ran into the same issues due to the similarities in forumla. the two companies are owned by brothers.
Banditt
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Hmm, interesting, I couldn't find any mention of it through google but I guess anything is possible.
I did come across this journal where in post #3 dude claims to be using aqua flakes in coco w/ great results.
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f5/what-do-you-use-how-do-you-use-457/
I would call them but at this point I don't have any interest in running H&G or Canna nutes so no use in wasting there time or mine just to essentially prove someone wrong. (which I'm not interested in doing either, I'll take your word for it)
From all the research I have done I have found the only reason coco specific nutrients even exist is to provide the extra calcium and magnesium plants growing in this medium require without having a seperate additive. Other than that they appear to be completely pointless.
As for organics in coco, I'm currently using iguana juice and gen-organics ca-mg+ and my tester plants love it. I've also seen people do full TLO in coco etc. Seems to be a pretty flexible medium in terms of feeding possibilities.
Wolverine97
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Off the top of my head, go to Advanced Nutrient's (blagh) webpage. It's very clearly listed which are coco compatible, and which are not. You really should know for certain what you're saying before you go arguing with people. It just makes you look bad.
Wolverine97
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Dude, guy, whatever, I'm not usually a dick but you're just wrong. Yes it's true that you have to supplement a cal/mg product, but coco also naturally contains high levels of potassium which you have to adjust for. Also, pH has nothing to do with cation exchange, you're thinking of chelation. Know what you're talking about before you argue with me.
Wolverine97
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lololololol
Banditt
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A. I'm not going to peruse entire advanced website on some wild goosechase that you could have just as easily linked us all to in order to prove your point but I've seen plenty of bottles from AN and every one I've seen says the exact same thing, "Compatible with all mediums including sphagnum moss and coco etc etc"
B. CEC has nothing to do with PH?
all you said was coco has low cec, I don't know what point you were trying to make by mentioning that, apparently you don't either since you still haven't made it. I figured you were commenting on the low ph buffering of coco. Feeling salty yet?
C.
Interesting, I didn't realize the medium required nutrients, I thought we are feeding the plants. lol
Your ignorance is blatantly apparent just by the wording of this statement.
I think the point you were TRYING to make here is coco requires additional calcium to balance out the high amount of K. But lacking the intelligence to articulate you were unable to make your point. (See I can be insulting too)
Look, I could sit here and pick apart your bullshit all night. But its not that entertaining. Still waiting for that link to nutrients that specifically say they are incompatible w/ coco. Good luck finding it.
Banditt
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Do yourself a favor and live by your own words.
Wolverine97
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Ok guy. Like three people here have shown you where you're wrong but you still want to argue. I'm done here, I'm not doing your homework for you. The bottom line is plants grown in (that better?) coco requires a different nutrient formula. This is the bottom line.
Banditt
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Really, I'm still waiting on that proof....You feeling stupid yet? It's easy to keep talking out of your ass and never show proof. So put up or shut up.
I don't usually blow up on assholes like you but since you felt the need to be a prick I'm going to clown you now.
Banditt
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Look, I may not be an expert on coco, or organics. But I have done enough research to know coco specific nutes are a fucking sham and completely unnecessary. If you disagree, thats fine, but instead of being a prick, maybe you should just prove your point with some real evidence.
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