Full House featuring Uncle Joey. 1200 Watts & 7 strains(Satori, C99xDC, HazexSkunk...

hightyde27 said:

NIce plant list. I see Original Haze and Skunk#1. Those are some awesome strains for making you're own. All the good bud has a haze and a skunk in it's lineage.

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Yeah. They are definitely the cornerstone of marijuana breeding. Im off to care for the plants. Maybe Ill have some good pics when I return.

Well I discovered a few things tonight. Some good, and some bad. Ill go with the Good.

I finally discovered what was causing the premature leaf abscission. My ladies were pretty dry when I visited them today, and as a result they had all shed some lower leaves. Some much worse than others. Both 3rd dimensions dropped 6-7 leaves a piece. It would seem they dont handle stressful situations too well. Most were nothing too bad. The Skunk Hazes weren't affected by it at all. Almost no leaf shedding. What was really weird about the leaf abscission though, it was that the tops of the plants didnt look water stressed at all. They were perky and looking great, but near the bottom where the leaves were falling off they were all wilted badly. Some of the plants were also showing signs of N deficiency. If they can't drink water, well they can't suck up nutrients either. Oddly enough, some of the soil on top of the plants was moist to the touch, but when I lifted the bags, they were very light. I imagine the lower part of the roots are sucking up all the water down there before whats up top can evaporate or be used.

Since, Im on the subject of watering I thought id share a great link from a lady with a Phd in plants. Theres some good info in there. Hopefully it'll bust the myth of the wet/dry cycle for watering cannabis to someone at least.

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda%20chalker-scott/horticultural%20myths_files/Myths/Leaf%20scorch.pdf

Oh, I just realized, I sound as if Im typing in a blog. Weird, Ive never blogged before. Hope its not annoying haha.

I did get some more pictures as well. Here they are.

Pic 1: & 2 This is that sad excuse of a Satori. Its the one who's coming in last. Sex is unknown, but it has virtually no side branching at all(2nd pic, on right). If she weren't such a slower grower, she'd make a decent candidate as a SOG mother..if i could even get it to branch.
Pic 3, 4, & 5: Now this is what a Satori is supposed to look like. I do believe its a male though, but he's top candidate for being my stud.
Pic 6 & 7: Closeup of a Chunky Cinderellas fat fan leaves. Its seven inches long. The wingspan on it is 20 inches for just one cola..
Pic 8: This is one of the lateral shoots about halfway up on the huge Skunk Haze, who I now believe is a female. Woot. That thing is taller than most of my Early Durbans for crying out loud.



Okay now for the bad news. One of my timers wasn't set up correctly. Correct hours, but the switch not flipped. Correct veg time of 5 days. So today will actually be the first day of flowering.

Also, I think I finally can get pictures without all the orange.

I just got a visitor message from Fartknocker, so I thought id answer it here.

Hey man. I just found your thread and am enjoying it very much. How do you like you tent/exhaust fan/filter set up? Dio you find your 6" fan powerfull enough to vent the tent? how's the odor control on your filter?

The only thing I hate about the set up is that semi-rigid flex ducting is a pain in the ass to deal with when raising lights, but when I used regular the shit just hung down in the way. Not sure which is more frustrating. The fan works great. It easily cools both lights. I also have a 6000btu window mounted AC to help keep the room cool. Even venting the hot air outside of the room the tents in, it was still getting too hot, so I bought the AC and it runs when lights are on. The room the tents in had no type of cooling before the AC, so even with lights off it would get hot in there. The temps remain steady around low to mid 70's at most times. Not the best ideal grow location, but I have to make due with what is available atm.

Odor control was a wee bit suspect around the vent outside, but after removing the other 7 Purp Bagseed plants and putting them outside, all I can smell is carbon through the exhaust. Im sure Im gonna have to upgrade soon to the Phresh Filter. Even if I remove the males, Ill have 17+ females flowering. Thats lots of stink. The purps are the stinkiest so far. One of them has the smell of honey dew when I rub the stem. Both of the confirmed ladies smell great. I can't wait to smell them full in flower.

How about raising your exhaust port on the side closer to the ceiling of your room (exhaust heat from higher in the room)? I always bring my fresh air from the lower parts of my grow area and get rid of heat up high. It requires less energy to move and keep all the air in the room in motion. Just a thought....

hightyde27 said:

How about raising your exhaust port on the side closer to the ceiling of your room (exhaust heat from higher in the room)? I always bring my fresh air from the lower parts of my grow area and get rid of heat up high. It requires less energy to move and keep all the air in the room in motion. Just a thought....

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My exhaust travels out ducting near the top of the tent, then its routed down some outside the tent, and is vented through the wall via a dryer hose vent.

On a side note, I apparently dont know how to set a mechanical timer even though Ive used them for two grows now. I double checked the timer today and the time was off by like 4 hours. Now, everything should be set up correctly, and I can actually get on with flowering. Im gonna double check them tonight at 12 to make sure all is well.

Here are some pics I dont believe I have posted yet. Color is still out of whack though.

Pics 1 & 2: Satori
Pic 3 & 4: Group shot. Chunky Cindys front and middle. JTR/3rd off to the back left, and a skunk haze to the back right.
Pic 5: Chunkies I think.
Pic 6: Regular size bic on Satori leaf.
Pic 7: Satori
Pic 8: Skunk Haze close up.
Pic 9: Shot of Purp A's four colas (F).
Pic 10: Shot of Purp B's four for colas(F).

Your plants look nice and healthy, I can't wait to see those skunk/hazes in bloom. They're going to stretch like a bitch are you going to tie em' down at all?

stonedmetalhead1 said:

Your plants look nice and healthy, I can't wait to see those skunk/hazes in bloom. They're going to stretch like a bitch are you going to tie em' down at all?

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Once Ive separated the males out of the tent, and have more room, I will begin to tie down the larger ones. The largest one will probably just be left alone to do its thing. Its growing mostly horizontally, so Ill snake its limbs between other plants who are actually growing upwards. lol. Right now, its the limbs of the other plants that are crowded in close, that are keeping its limbs propped up so much. I think I may have a couple that wont need to be tied down(I hope). There are a few that are more compact and shorter. Im hoping the Skunk #1 in them will keep them from going crazy later on.

Ive decided I will begin culling the males in 4-7 days. That should be enough time for the males to start showing sex aside from the Skunk Hazes. Any males that dont fit the physical criteria I am looking for get the chopping block first. Any remaining males will be placed into a tent and be vegged for another two weeks, then I will allow them to flower in that tent. Pollen will be collected and then dusted to the chosen females. I doubt I will end up with many males that are worthy of breeding. Only 1 or 2 Chunky Cinderella males stand out, 1 Satori male, along with the 3rd D, and JTR. The Purp male isn't a bad plant either, so he'll be kept to get some F2's. Im expecting to end up with 6 males, which is just perfect for the size of my other little tent.


Ive also added a layer of perlite to the top of all the plants. Ive read this will work for stopping Fungus Gnats from breeding, and I had a big bag, so I hope this will clear their numbers up before heavy flowering starts. Well, thats it for today.

Hi Dave, made it over, glad I did... Everything looks wonderful...

Thank you for dropping in Lacey. I hope you'll enjoy it.

I dropped in on the plants, and they are all looking great. They were a bit over-watered yesterday after the mosquito dunk drenching they got a few days ago, but they are looking tons better now. The gnat population seems to be cut by 40% or so. Its definitely noticeable. Im unsure how much affect the layer of perlite is having in conjunction. Hopefully it will keep the adults from laying new eggs while the BT in the dunks kills the larvae.

The ED's and other bagseeds all have much less gnats as well. I wish I could say they look great, but they dont. First the new soil burned them, then they got over-watered from the mosquito dunk drenching, and are now experiencing nutrient deficiencies. Im sure they'll pull out of it when they recover from the over-watering. I also have two plants that I thought had a more damaging case of nute burn than the rest, but was actually being burned up by the cooltube. This is the second type of cool-tube Ive used. Home-made, and a Hydrofarm one, and both have burned plants. The Hydrofarm one burns them directly under the base of the bulb. Ill definitely not be using them in the future. Air cooled reflectors are much better. No hot spots or burning on my plants. The light has been raised 6-8 inches and the plants rotated moving the badly affected ones further away. Ill be checking tomorrow again to see if the new distance is high enough. My plants always seem to have a rough start to their lives, but eventually Ill get them to the point where they are thriving like above.

I also picked up my notes that I took 2-3 days ago, so I thought Id give some updates on the strains. Note: There is alot of numbers below, and dont read further if you dont like detailed updates. Even if you dont, I suggest you do the same when growing your own plants if you are searching for a future mother, or perhaps father. I wish I had done this from the beginning, but now is as good a time as any to start.

Chunky Cinderella

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. ChunkyA(f) 25in. 11 nodes ***
2. ChunkyB(f) 23in. 10 nodes **
3. ChunkyC(m) 20in. 11 nodes ***
4. ChunkyD(f) 20in. 10 nodes ***
5. ChunkyE(f) 23in. 10 nodes **
6. ChunkyF(m) 22in. 12 nodes *****
7. ChunkyG(m) 19.5 in 11 nodes ***
8. ChunkyH(f) 22in. 12 nodes ****
9. ChunkyI(m) 21in. 10 nodes **

Average Height:21.7
Average Development: 10.77
Average Rating: 3
H/D Ratio: 2.01

Only a couple of plants stand out. One male and one female. The male has a respectable H/D ratio, but his lateral branching is where he shines along with huge beatiful leaves, and thick strong stems.The female also shares the same H/D ratio, but she gets one star less because her lateral branching isn't as good. The other ones are all on the slow side, and have modest at best lateral branching with a couple of them being awful thus their lower score. The two standouts are definitely knocking boots with each other.

Ive read Deep Chunk is very dominating in crosses, but it doesn't look like it passed on its tight internodal development, but it definitely passed on the slow growth its known for, as well as its lack of good side branching. I do love the fat fan leaves the father passes on. They are also continuing to grow larger and longer. One's leaves has grown a full inch longer within the last week and sit at 8 inches long. Im gonna grab a few good pics of it today.

I just hope I get some of those super frosty Deep Chunk genes in them, if Im lucky.

Cloud Nine

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. C9(f) 25in. 14 nodes *****

H/D Ratio: 1.79

I just realized the strain description I posted has it listed as mostly Indica, but its mostly Sativa. This explains the tall colas and long internodes, but she's still got great vigor compared the other strains. Ill let her sleep with a few boys. Hopefully she's a good smoke, and Ill have some interesting stuff in the future to grow.

The 3rd Dimension

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. 3rdA(f) 24in. 12 nodes ***
2. 3rdB(m) 25in. 11 nodes ***

Average Height: 24.5
Average Development: 11.5
Average Rating: 3
H/D Ratio: 2.13

The male grew 3 inches in this time give or take a half inch margin of error Id say is safe to give all the plants. The female grew 1 inch. They both have modest side branching. I dont feel there is anything worthy here to breed with or even bother with f2's, so the male will be culled soon.

Jack The Ripper

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. JTRA(m) 18.in. 13 nodes *****
2. JTRB(f) 26in. 15 nodes *****
3. JTRC(f) 26in. 15 nodes *****

Average Height: 23.33
Average Development: 14.33
Average Rating: 5
H/D Ratio: 1.63

The females have grown/stretched noticeably in this time, but the male hasn't.
At this time the females have exceeded his growth by two nodes, yet they are also 8 inches taller than him, and not quite as branchy as he is, but close. I still like him for breeding, as well as both of his sisters.

Original Haze X Skunk #1

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. HSA(f) 31in. 12 nodes ***
2. HSB(f) 32in. 13 nodes ***
3. HSC(M?) 29in. 13 nodes ***
4. HSD(M?) 26in. 12 nodes *** 1/2
5. HSE(f) 33.5in. 12 nodes **
6. HSF(f) 31in. 12 nodes ***
7. HSG(m?) 23in. 12 nodes *****

Average Height: 29.35
Average Development: 12.28
Average Rating: 3.21
H/D Ratio: 2.39

I was hoping for a bit more vigor out of these guys, but Im not surprised at the H/D ratio. O. Haze is one tall lanky strain. It only looks like plant G has expressed its Skunk #1 heritage. He'll be bred with my females, and hopefully bring down the internodal distance for the F2 generation. The plants also have amazing side-branching, so that is always a plus. Hopefully I get alot of nice mini colas in addition to the main colas for some bumped up yield. I have seen some pics of indoor plants that yielded 5-7 ounces, so maybe Im in for a treat.

Satori

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Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. SA(?) 21in. 8 nodes *
2. SB(m) 20in. 10 nodes ****
3. SC(m) 18in. 10 nodes ****
4. SD(f) 20 in. 10 nodes *** 1/2
5. SE(?) 20 in. 11 nodes ***
6. SF(m) 20in. 11 nodes ***

Average Height: 19.83
Average Development: 10
Average Rating: 3.08
H/D Ratio: 1.98

The Satori are obviously the slowest growing plants in the tent. Im very disappointed with their vigor. Ive always read Satori is a strong fast growing plant, but not so in my case. I still have a couple of males that have a chance to breed, but it will likely only be Satori B. He's got great lateral branching, huge serrated leaves, and the thickest stems Ive seen on his dominant colas. This plant would laugh at you if you tried to supercrop it.


Purple Bagseed

* I mislabeled the females from before, so Purp C & D are now A & B

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. PurpA(f) 20in. 12 nodes *****
2. PurpB(f) 18 in. 12 nodes *****
3. PurpC(f) 16 in. 9 nodes ***
4. PurpD(m?) 16in. 10 nodes *****

Average Height: 17.5
Average Development: 10.75
Average Rating: 4.5
H/D Ratio: 1.63

As you can see from the numbers, the Purps are quite vigorous and excellent. Two weeks younger than the rest, and they are barely behind the Chunky Cinderellas, and Satori. If they had been started at the same time as the rest, I bet they would be the stars of the tent right now. They tied JTR in the height/development ratio, so I have to say Im quite impressed with this bagseed. I just hope it doesn't go hermie on me like the last few I grew. Their outdoor siblings are all looking excellent as well. We've had plenty of rain this last week, so I haven't had to tend to them. Ill need to go and feed them later today though.

**I calculate rating for each plant based mostly upon H/D ratio, lateral branching. I will also add in smell in the future. At the moment, it is hard to discern smell from one to the next with so many strains, but that should change once they get into budding.

Nice looking garden, great use of space, and even better pick of strains

stonedmetalhead1 said:

Your plants look nice and healthy, I can't wait to see those skunk/hazes in bloom. They're going to stretch like a bitch are you going to tie em' down at all?

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I thought Id reply twice to this post because I wanted to show a picture of Skunk Haze in flower that I pulled from Icmag provided by GardenLover. I have no clue if he topped his plant or not, but either way its one huge sprawling plant. Maybe my big Skunk Haze will look like that in the future.

Plants are looking amazing dave, and i love the technical notes u keep.

18fan said:

Plants are looking amazing dave, and i love the technical notes u keep.

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Thanks man, I appreciate it. I want to do everything in my power to find some keeper females. Sure the smoke is the most important, but If I can find plants that smoke just as good, but grow faster and stronger, then I have no qualms about cracking more seeds in the future. It also means I get to buy more seeds. Buying seeds is addicting. Ill probably go on a shopping spree later this year.

Here are some pictures:

Pic 1: JTR females center, and back. Male back left I believe.
Pic 2: Group shot.
Pic 3 & 4: My small tent. 7 Early Durbans that are under going LST'ing. Back left one has been at it for 4 days or so. Some bagseeds in the dixie cups as well and back right corner. They still dont look great, but they were thirsty today, so its a hopeful sign. Im sure they'll look much better in two weeks.
Pic 5:Closeup of one thats been lst'd a few days.
Pic 6: Skunk Haze close up.
Pic 7: Some Satori.
Pic 8: A few Skunk Haze again. Its near impossible to tell where one stops, and the other starts. I hate the colors on the Skunk Haze pics because its not at all like what they really look like.
Pic 9: Skunk Hazes tied down.
Pic 10:Skunk Haze closeup.
Pic 11: I dont think this CC likes its time right under the reflector, so I have moved it out of that spot. I believe the leaf is sticking straight up as a response to the intense light directly underneath. It was strange it was only that one leaf on the plant though. Still a crazy picture though.
Pic 12: 7 inch long petiole on a Chunky Cindy. Thats longer than quite a few leaves on other plants.
Pic 13: Eleven bladed Chunky.
Pic 14: Purple Bagseed outdoors.



The outdoor purps are growing good. A little bit taller than the indoor ones is about the only difference. They all got a good watering today, about a gallon per container. Im going out of town and wont be able to tend to them till tuesday. There is a slight chance of rain tomorrow, and a very good chance sunday, so I do hope it rains and they wont be wilted and under-watered when I return.

I decided to sniff test a few of the stems. I find it rare to find anything that smells great when rubbing stems. My Nirvana WW from my last grow ranged from hot vomit, to dog shit. Not at all pleasant, but these purple bagseeds smell great. Ive got one indoors that reminds me of honeydew, and I have a couple outside that smell just like Sweet Tarts Chewy candy, except about 10 times more intense. Its enough to make your nose tingle(seriously), and your asshole to pucker up. Thats how tart they are. I believe one is a male, and the other a female. Sweet!

If anyone has grown any strains that remind you of tart candy, please chime in and give your experiences.

Ive been doing some more reading on Mosquito Dunks and Fungus Gnats, and it looks like it will take 3-4 weeks to completely rid myself of the infestation Hopefully their numbers will thin drastically within a couple of weeks before the little fucks start getting stuck in my buds like last time. Anyone that has these problems, I would suggest buying these dunks, and crushing them up and mixing into your soil as you make it, or just on top the pots, and water as usual. A quarter teaspoon of a crushed up dunk is the amount advised per plant.

I also gave some of the plants a bit of alfalfa tea & kelp extract. Most of the plants didn't need watering, but I know they will before I get back, so Im going to have a buddy to water them sunday I think. I do hope to have some shots of buds forming when I return. Thats all for now.

Excellent job, great thread! Keep up the good work!

cant believe ive been missing this! props dave everything looks nice, and ur notes are superb

which 1 Plant have u fallen for so far? theres always 1

i wanna try those deep chunk crosses myself, but im not sure on the cindy, how is it performing so far?

Uncle Ben said:

Excellent job, great thread! Keep up the good work!

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Thanks for dropping in UB. Its an honor to have you visit my thread.

HookedOnChronic said:

cant believe ive been missing this! props dave everything looks nice, and ur notes are superb

which 1 Plant have u fallen for so far? theres always 1

i wanna try those deep chunk crosses myself, but im not sure on the cindy, how is it performing so far?

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Im glad you've found it HookedonChronic, and hope you enjoy your time here.

Id have to say my JTR male is prob my fave. I also have a beautiful Chunky Cindy male, and Satori male that Im quite fond of. If I had to choose a female, Id probably go with the Cloud Nine. Its the fastest growing plant, and real beautiful. I can't wait to see what the ladies have to offer once we really get into flowering.

The Chunky Cindies are almost as slow as the Satori, but boy are they beautiful. I would say expect slower growth because of its Deep Chunk heritage regardless of which cross you choose, but the reports Ive read on this cross, and Deep Chunk itself would all lead me to believe the slower growth is worth it in the end. Ill know in 3 months though. Chunky Cindy should take around 55 days for flower, then Ill smoke test after a 3 week cure.

It looks like Ill be home a day earlier, so If I have time when I return, Ill try to get some pics of my favorite plants.

Well, I am back home and got to check on my plants today, and discovered my friend couldn't follow one single direction that was very outlined in the text message to him. I wanted him to feed them with the alfalfa tea I made. For some reason he decided against it and gave only water. I told him two small yellow bowls full because I already feared he'd over-water, so I opted to have him give minimal water. Well I come home to tons of leafs on the soil and ground. He over-watered them very badly. He said he gave each about a third of a gallon, but I doubt it. The damned water barrel was half empty! Im sure some of it was just evaporation, but he flooded them.

Some didn't suffer too badly, but the JTR, and Cloud Nine, and Skunk Hazes got it the worse. My beautiful JTR male is a shadow of his former self. He's so sad looking, but he'll pull through and still be able to breed. The Cloud Nine lost 40 leaves! Id say most plants lost around 15-25, but the Purps had minimal leaf loss(4-7) and showed great stress resistance.

Ive got some updated measurements for the plants, but I wasn't able to get all of them.

I culled 4 males I believe. 3rd Dimension male, Satori E, Chunky C, and another Chunky I think. In 4 days I hope to have a new list of females, males Im keeping, and height, etc. Ive began moving males to another tent, so far a Satori male, Chunky male, and JTR male have been separated. I hope to finish the culling process sometime in the next day.

Ive also decided to go ahead and flower the Early Durbans in a couple of days. I dont have the strength to try and handle 15 plants outdoors at a time. Its incredibly hard work just caring for 7 of them. If you've never done a guerrilla grow, you may want to think twice about it unless you dont mind sweating to death and busting your ass. I do think I will move up to 3 females outdoors once I begin to see preflowers. I know of one so far. 10 is manageable for me.

Some of the clones I took 7-14 days ago are looking good. Ive potted 10 clones tonight, and will keep one of each lady until smoke report. Any extra ladies will be flowered real small just to get rid of them. I probably have another 5 or 6 that need potting as well. That'll get done tonight i hope.

I also removed the perlite from the top of the plants. I feared it might be too porous to stop the gnats from getting in and out, so I put sand on top instead. While removing the perlite, I would inspect the tops of the soil and I didn't see any fungus gnat larvae, so I think the mosquito dunks are doing their job. I just need those damned adults to start dying off.

Here are some measurements as well I took. Its complete now.

Chunky Cinderella

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. ChunkyA(f) 30 in. 14 nodes ***
2. ChunkyB(f) 30 in. 13 nodes **
3. ChunkyC(m) Deceased
4. ChunkyD(f) 31 in. 13nodes ***
5. ChunkyE(f) 28 in. 12 nodes **
6. ChunkyF(m) 28.5 in. 14 nodes *****
7. ChunkyG Deceased
8. ChunkyH(f) 28.5 in. 13.5 nodes ****
9. ChunkyI(m) Deceased

Average Height: 29.33
Average Development: 13.25
Average Rating: 3.16
H/D Ratio: 2.21

Previous Stats:
Average Height:21.7
Average Development: 10.77
Average Rating: 3
H/D Ratio: 2.01

I have whittled the males down to one remaining one now, along with five ladies. Ive decided to flower all the males now in a separate tent immediately, and will collect pollen, label it, and store until ready to use. Ill cull the males after all this is done.

Cloud Nine

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

1. C9(f) 34 in. 16 nodes *****

H/D Ratio: 2.13

The 3rd Dimension

Name(sex) Height Development Rating

Jeez Dave, u put so much effort into this thread it's amazing. I update my thread with a quick report on feedings or a photo, but urs is truly a joy to read
Keep it up!

XxNinjaxX said:

Jeez Dave, u put so much effort into this thread it's amazing. I update my thread with a quick report on feedings or a photo, but urs is truly a joy to read
Keep it up!

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Ive always had a touch of OCD in me, along with being a bit of a perfectionist as well, so I can't help it . Im glad you are enjoying it. Im hoping I and others will learn some new stuff this from all the detailed notes.

Such as, I had no clue how much more growth they put on in early flowering. I expected more stretching than anything, but it looks like the plant still continues developing as if its in veg for at least a week into flowering, so keep giving your lovely plants some of those veg nutes early in flowering. They need it now more than ever, so hold off on those bloom ferts for awhile folks especially if they are lacking in N.

Hopefully, I will have some shots of little buds forming soon. This is the longest wait of the grow it seems. It also doesn't help Ive had problems with timers twice now, but Im pretty sure everything is running correctly now.