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how bizarre... does a lot of "purple" reside in its heritage? any ideas on what would do that? and only some clones? thats the really odd part

Well Ive been reading more of that pdf I posted before, as well as other links Ive googled, and I've started to suspect I have more than one deficiency. I could well have magensium deficiency as well. So many efficiencies show similar symptoms. You have to be a detective to figure anything out, and only when a tissue analysis is done can you be for certain.

But I think Ill go with what I have learned. Bio-Bizz has no Mag, or Zinc in it. Im using less Chicken Manure(supplies Mag and Zinc), and did not add extra dolomitic lime as the Fafard 52 is already limed, and ph when tested from the bag was 7.2 I opted not to add any.

Its possible the lack of those micro-nutrients are causing the deficiencies, but if the K:Mg ratio is too high, it could lock out Zinc and Mg out. That may be the culprit in this case. Either way, just one more problem for me to overcome. Maybe I can put this new knowledge to use when I flower my Lemon Grass Thai x Deep Chunks in a few weeks.

I learned about the k:mg ratio from this site:

http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/doc/library/article_list

There is a ton of great info there. Just the type of stuff I enjoy reading. Maybe someone else will get some use of it too.http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/doc/library/article_list

bobhamm said:

how bizarre... does a lot of "purple" reside in its heritage? any ideas on what would do that? and only some clones? thats the really odd part

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The original haze side of this cross does have purple genes in it, but its a rare trait. One member on ICMAG has shown pictures of a Skunk Haze from the same seed stock that has purple/magenta flowers. His plants green. Ive yet to see the purple buds yet, but its possibly there. Its a rare trait of Original Haze. Im hoping to someday find a purple pheno in the 10 F1's Ive got, as well as the F2's I made. Ive only got about 25 seeds from ShazeA that Id like to grow out. Maybe Ill find something in there as well. Very little is known about this old cross as very few people ever grow them out due to the 'long' flowering time.

I have no idea why the clones of A are different. Next time I do some topping, Ill see if she bleeds again, but it doesn't always occur.

man, I know how ou feel with the problems, had an issue myself, my ultimate guess was that it wasnt an actual deficiency but a ph/lockout problem but then I read Uncle Bens(I think) thread about "quit blqming ph for your problems ... and get off my lawn you young whippersnappers!" thread.... so I came to the conclusion that it was some odd ratio that was off... or voodoo eventually it cleared up...
speaking of long flowering I got a nevilles haze fem from female seeds... ever tried that? think its pretty straight sativa... but yeah 12 weeks flower plus 4 veg so 4 months, cant imagine a 16 week flowering...

bobhamm said:

man, I know how ou feel with the problems, had an issue myself, my ultimate guess was that it wasnt an actual deficiency but a ph/lockout problem but then I read Uncle Bens(I think) thread about "quit blqming ph for your problems ... and get off my lawn you young whippersnappers!" thread.... so I came to the conclusion that it was some odd ratio that was off... or voodoo eventually it cleared up...
speaking of long flowering I got a nevilles haze fem from female seeds... ever tried that? think its pretty straight sativa... but yeah 12 weeks flower plus 4 veg so 4 months, cant imagine a 16 week flowering...

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Ive yet to grow Nevilles Haze. If I were to try it, I would get it directly from Mr. Nice, as they are the original breeders. Im not much into giving people money when they are just stealing someone else's work. Plus I dont care for feminized seeds. Its a cheap easy way for hacks to make money without actually putting any time into breeding.

12 weeks flower time is probably unlikely though. Its 75% Original Haze, so Id expect 14-16 weeks to be more likely. Also, if you grow it, do 12/12 from seed, as a month of veg will end up with a very large plant. Its been said on the mr. nice forums growing them 12/12 from seed can result in 5 or 6 foot tall plants, so I would avoid any type of prolong veg with them.

Good luck with the seed though. Id like to pick it up from Mr. Nice sometime in the future when I have more room for big sativas. Im supposed to have some Afropips Malawi Gold, Durban Poison, and Swazi Red in the mail. All 12-16 weekers. I also want to get Afropips Nigerian before its gone as well. Not sure when Ill get to grow all of them out, but Im definitely looking forward to it. Maybe I can do a better job when I flower them. I hope I'm improving .

I know my LemonGrass Thai x Deep Chunk are giving me some hope. Ive never grown such beautiful plants as these. 24 days old. 3.75 inches from soil to the top of the apical meristem I removed. I removed the 7th node a few days ago. Im going for super bushy plants this time around.

Here are some teaser pics. I plan on just doing a condensed journal with lots of pictures when they are complete. I hope flowering will go smoothly for me. This plant has a 15 inch wingspan. I couldn't be happier with these plants.

Great job Dave, you too are a true Master Gardener! You've made some great points and used a common sense approach. Speaking of which, you might be interested in Daniels wrap-up: https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/341034-countryfarmers-outdoor-grow-15.html

Plants are looking damn good.

There are some sativas that do indeed have purple pistils. It's all about anthocynanins, has nothing to do with potency or some romantic thaing that folks seem to like to spin up.

Tio

DaveCoulier said:

I learned about the k:mg ratio from this site:

http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/doc/library/article_list

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I signed up, but still can't read the articles. Seems like you have to have submitted 25 soil samples in a year?

Here's a good site regarding nutrient antagonism, a common problem with growers that throw so much stuff at their plants because "he said I should apply this and that". http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

Too much Mg and you'll lock out K, and vice versa. Too much K, a common drill, and you'll lock out N resulting in the all-prevailing-leaf-drop-during-flower issue.

UB
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Uncle Ben said:

Great job Dave, you too are a true Master Gardener! You've made some great points and used a common sense approach. Speaking of which, you might be interested in Daniels wrap-up: https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/341034-countryfarmers-outdoor-grow-15.html

Plants are looking damn good.

There are some sativas that do indeed have purple pistils. It's all about anthocynanins, has nothing to do with potency or some romantic thaing that folks seem to like to spin up.

Tio

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Nice to see you in here again UB. I wish I were a master gardener. I have a long way to go. I can grow some beautiful plants in veg, but things always seem to go wrong in flower. If you saw how my flowering clones look now you'd be sad . But gardening is just like any other skill, you can learn it quickly, but it takes practice, and experience to perfect the skill. Im hoping my next batch of plants will be the turning point, and that I can grow a beautiful plant to harvest without having problems.

Its funny you mention people thinking purple=potency. My friend thinks that, and everytime I explain to him its a myth and that pigments dont affect potency, he always replies with, "Well, its what Ive always heard." Some people are just prone to believe whats said to them without actually using their minds for a moment.

Uncle Ben said:

I signed up, but still can't read the articles. Seems like you have to have submitted 25 soil samples in a year?

Here's a good site regarding nutrient antagonism, a common problem with growers that throw so much stuff at their plants because "he said I should apply this and that". http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

Too much Mg and you'll lock out K, and vice versa. Too much K, a common drill, and you'll lock out N resulting in the all-prevailing-leaf-drop-during-flower issue.

UB

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Its odd you can't access the articles on that site. I can access them without needing to sign up. You always seem to have browser issues

Thanks for that link. I used to have it bookmarked, but lost it when I had to reformat. Its good to have it again.

DaveCoulier said:

Nice to see you in here again UB. I wish I were a master gardener. I have a long way to go. I can grow some beautiful plants in veg, but things always seem to go wrong in flower.

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Ditto. It's hard to do a sativa for 16 weeks indoor.

Its odd you can't access the articles on that site. I can access them without needing to sign up. You always seem to have browser issues

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For that site, it's based on the topic. If you want to get the skinny on their soil sample services, no problemo. Otherwise most article access gives this statement - Some parts of the Spectrum Analytic Library are only available to customers who have sent at least 25 samples in the last year.arts of the Spectrum Analytic Library are only available to customers who have sent at least 25 samples in the last year.

Happy gardening!

Oh, yes forgot to say. Ill check out that countryfarmers link.

Now Ive decided to go ahead and call this journal over. Theres not much point in showing much more pictures of poorly developing plants. Ive noticed a definite slowdown in bud growth as the plants conditions have deteriorated. They looked great for the first 7-10 days and were already forming buds, even on the Skunk Hazes D & A, but now the deficiencies have stalled them out. Flower time will definitely be lengthened and yield will be significantly diminished I believe. Im not keen on documenting my failures to the public. Ive already got lots of pictures to remind me of where things went wrong, but at least Ive got a good idea of how to fix them now.

Ill probably post a few more pictures. Something useful to come out of my failures I hope.

My final thoughts on the various strains grown, and they will be listed in descending order from fave to least fave or ultimate suck in the case of Early Durban.

1.) Skunk Haze: clearly comes out on top. Ive tested all 3 ladies at various stages of development. 75, 83, 85, and 92 days flowering for Shaze A & D. 100 & 118 days flowering for Shaze E. Day 85 was the ideal harvest date for Shaze A. Ive scoped a recent harvest of a Shaze A clone, and she's nearly 100% cloudy(which happens to contain the greatest amount of THC). Refer here to learn more. Trichome density of all 3 was excellent when compared to other strains grown, but ShazeA is the Queen among Queens. The trichs are packed very densely. Often times there will be no green plant matter visible under the scope because there are so many stalked glands. The stalks are quite short. It can be difficult to even know they are there at times. Imagine a field of mushrooms all bunched in together. Thats what she looks like. The only downside is that if you picked up a bud and compared it to a Chunky Cinderella, you'd immediately say the Chunky is frostier, yet it just has lots of long stalks and far less trichome heads. Appearances can be quite deceiving.

Ill do a quick smoke report for Shaze A harvested at day 85 as she's the clear winner. I smoked a joint that contained .4 grams with a buddy. The bud had only been curing for 7 days. The high started out slow, and I was thinking .."I think Im getting too used to Shaze A. Maybe its time to smoke something else." and after 15 minutes I was crippled. She had surprised me and rocked me with a huge sucker punch! All I could do was sit on the couch for an hour, barely able to function. It was difficult to open my eyes, and any time I managed to sit up, Id lay back down within a minute. My mind was clear as could be, but my body was basically paralyzed.

This wasn't some narcotic, couchlocked type of high you could get from a heavy Indica. This was just flat out being over whelmed by the herb.

There have been times where I have smoked plenty of Hash and gotten to this point, but it would always wear off within 15-25 minutes. This lady had grabbed hold of me this time, and wasn't letting me go without a fight. It took all my strength just to stand up and make it to my car. I made it home safely, and sat in front of my tv with a thousand mile stare on my face trying to find something to watch on Netflix. I failed at that, and decided to crash as I felt like I was losing a hopeless battle. This was one time, I did not want to be this high. The plus side is that I slept like a baby, crawling into bed at 9:30. This lady definitely does not classify as a wake n bake. Making it out of the house is unlikely to happen after smoking her in the morning. Although, I regularly smoke the day 92 bud from the original seed plant and manage just fine after a few tokes in the morning. Its surprising how 7 days can affect the potency and its effects so much.

I would highly suggest these plants to be grown by anyone looking for a good haze hybrid. Not easy to manage, but a great smoke.

2.) Its difficult to separate the remaining strains from each other. Coming in second will be multiple strains.

• Jack the Ripper: JTR falls in a 2nd place tie with Chunky Cinderella. One was clearly better that her sister, but I can't recall which one. The better sister is possibly a bit better than Chunky Cinderella, but not by much. Very frosty by appearance, but lots of long stalks, and not nearly as much trichome heads as S-Haze.
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Uncle Ben said:

Ditto. It's hard to do a sativa for 16 weeks indoor.



For that site, it's based on the topic. If you want to get the skinny on their soil sample services, no problemo. Otherwise most article access gives this statement - Some parts of the Spectrum Analytic Library are only available to customers who have sent at least 25 samples in the last year.arts of the Spectrum Analytic Library are only available to customers who have sent at least 25 samples in the last year.

Happy gardening!

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Im definitely going to practice my craft on some faster flowering plants before sprouting some more 90-120 day sativas. Id like to do them proud, so Ill be practicing on Mr. Nice Shit( afghani dominant Skunk #1). Harvest time is 55-65 day.

Its odd about that site. I can bring up any of the articles. Ive yet to encounter that message. I wish I knew how to fix the problem. I know you'd enjoy reading the stuff.

Im gonna post a picture of what I think is the Zinc deficiency that has engulfed Skunk Haze E clone. Maybe you can verify this for me with all your years under your belt of growing.

The picture has fan leaves plucked from a main cola from top to bottom. The leaves start out healthiest at the top, progress into interveinal chlorosis, scorched leaf margins that are tan in color, then back to interveinal chlorosis, and then returns to pretty healthy leaves. One of the pdfs Ive linked to before says Zinc is utilized in internodal elongation and the greatest amount of stretch has always occurred in the middle portions of the plants. What say you?

Hey Dave, did a lengthy reply and the server went down (honest). Can't help ya on the chlorosis. If you've got a decent soil and balanced plant food, there should be no chlorosis. If you're over doing one element then yes, their will be a lock out of another. Hell, rootbound condition can induce the same kind of symptoms. Sorry, but I aint got no crystal ball sitting here a 1,000 miles away........

tio

Uncle Ben said:

Hey Dave, did a lengthy reply and the server went down (honest). Can't help ya on the chlorosis. If you've got a decent soil and balanced plant food, there should be no chlorosis. If you're over doing one element then yes, their will be a lock out of another. Hell, rootbound condition can induce the same kind of symptoms. Sorry, but I aint got no crystal ball sitting here a 1,000 miles away........

tio

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Unfortunately, I had switched over to a food that was crap, and missing alot of minors, and secondary majors. Problems started about two weeks after on these clones, so I think that was the likely culprit. Trying to avoid that mistake in the future. Read those labels folks. Thanks for replying.

man that sucks to hear Dave, you can only improve from here! glad to hear the skunk haze was soo good

, try doing a faster flowering strain in with the longer ones so you atleast get an ounce if the others dont work out

Almost looks like a sulfur deficiency bro. Hope all works out.

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Almost looks like a sulfur deficiency bro. Hope all works out.

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Well, Ive had my ups and downs with my plants since then, but Ive got a lovely looking batch of Mr. Nice Shits(20 of em) that Ill be flowering today. Ive managed to do more things right with them than my last group. I may do a grow journal for them. We can all see if Ive learned anything from my mistakes. lol.

Lol I didn't even realize this thread was months old. I feel silly.