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Big Green Thumb

Big Green Thumb

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Dumb question I'm sure, but why only fill the buckets with 6" of soil? My little grow I am using 7 gallon smart pots topped off with soil. Do you only need 2 or so gallons of soil to grow those monsters?
 
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greengrassgrower1

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Big Green Thumb said:
Dumb question I'm sure, but why only fill the buckets with 6" of soil? My little grow I am using 7 gallon smart pots topped off with soil. Do you only need 2 or so gallons of soil to grow those monsters?
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Not dumb at all..

I use around 2 gals of coco in my 5 gal buckets because i like to use my coco in a hydroponics fashion.. Meaning the wet / Dry cycle of the coco happens a few times a day.. I DTW and feed 5 times a lights cycle.. I would never be able to achieve multiple wet/dry cycles in 5 gallons of medium unless i let them get double my usual desired size.. If i kept them the same normal size, but had them in 5 gals i would only need to water them once every 2 days.. Thus giving me less Dry down cycles.. More wet/dry cycles u can have the fast your plants will grow.. IMO.. For instance look at aeroponic growth rates, and they water like 15secs every 2mins.. now thats alot of wet/dry cycles!!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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greengrassgrower1 said:
Not dumb at all..

I use around 2 gals of coco in my 5 gal buckets because i like to use my coco in a hydroponics fashion.. Meaning the wet / Dry cycle of the coco happens a few times a day.. I DTW and feed 5 times a lights cycle.. I would never be able to achieve multiple wet/dry cycles in 5 gallons of medium unless i let them get double my usual desired size.. If i kept them the same normal size, but had them in 5 gals i would only need to water them once every 2 days.. Thus giving me less Dry down cycles.. More wet/dry cycles u can have the fast your plants will grow.. IMO.. For instance look at aeroponic growth rates, and they water like 15secs every 2mins.. now thats alot of wet/dry cycles!!
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Why would more wet-dry cycles accelerate growth?

I watered once a day and got 27oz plants. They dried out once a day.
 
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greengrassgrower1

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ttystikk said:
Why would more wet-dry cycles accelerate growth?

I watered once a day and got 27oz plants. They dried out once a day.
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The plant yield really doesn't have anything to do with it. As a giant outdoor plant in say a 200gal smart pot watered once a day could yield 5+lbs and a 1 foot tall plant in a 1/2 a gal watered once a day could yield 15gs.. its relative to plants size and medium

Its all about the root type

Roots cant live in wet or dry mediums. (besides DWC or RDWC root in water 24/7 with air stones)--- if able a nice moist environment is key.

A moist environment will produce more Fibrous roots(just happy and eating) and less Taproots( taproot are always searching for water or air)... My moms are in 7 gals and 2 to 3' tall and r watered every 3 days or so and when we chop them to make new ones i notice their roots are mostly at the bottom and sides of the pots and they are lager more of a tap root looking..


Now with my flowering plants their roots are heaviest in the center(cause that where the dripper is) and the roots are extremely fibrous.. i can only achieve this with multiple small feeds per light cycle.. Point is i see a faster growth rate with plants that have fibrous root over plants that have taproot structured roots..

IMO

heavy waterings with longer drying periods = more of a tap root type roots
small waterings with short drying periods = more Fibrous roots..

example if your going to feed your plants 20oz in a single feeding every other day.. i would water 2oz 5x per day for 2 days instead..

This is what i do and have had great success doing it.. I am sure there are other ways to be successful as well and that cool with me.. ;)

You can see in this photo the fibrous roots above my thumb..

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Ghost of Davy Jones

Ghost of Davy Jones

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greengrassgrower1 said:
Here are a few pics from my last round.. The Cob rig pulls around 600watts on 9 Citi 3500k.. I should have numbers in a week or so.. I also had a single 135w Quantum board over a 1 plant.. i will have numbers for that aswell.. The rest of the room held 3 DEs for 3K..1 DE per 4x4 area which is really just over kill as i dont run CO2..

So my plan is to replace the DEs with 600watts of Quantum Board per 4x4 and get close to the same yield.. I normally pulled 1 to 1.5 per light.. Nothing epic on yield but it is what it is.. Below are some shots before chop..
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WoW Brother-man! That is impressive. You definitely have a greenthumb. People Should probably listen to whatever advise u have to give. Keep up the Good looking grows my friend.

May the Green be with you....
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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greengrassgrower1 said:
The plant yield really doesn't have anything to do with it. As a giant outdoor plant in say a 200gal smart pot watered once a day could yield 5+lbs and a 1 foot tall plant in a 1/2 a gal watered once a day could yield 15gs.. its relative to plants size and medium

Its all about the root type

Roots cant live in wet or dry mediums. (besides DWC or RDWC root in water 24/7 with air stones)--- if able a nice moist environment is key.

A moist environment will produce more Fibrous roots(just happy and eating) and less Taproots( taproot are always searching for water or air)... My moms are in 7 gals and 2 to 3' tall and r watered every 3 days or so and when we chop them to make new ones i notice their roots are mostly at the bottom and sides of the pots and they are lager more of a tap root looking..


Now with my flowering plants their roots are heaviest in the center(cause that where the dripper is) and the roots are extremely fibrous.. i can only achieve this with multiple small feeds per light cycle.. Point is i see a faster growth rate with plants that have fibrous root over plants that have taproot structured roots..

IMO

heavy waterings with longer drying periods = more of a tap root type roots
small waterings with short drying periods = more Fibrous roots..

example if your going to feed your plants 20oz in a single feeding every other day.. i would water 2oz 5x per day for 2 days instead..

This is what i do and have had great success doing it.. I am sure there are other ways to be successful as well and that cool with me.. ;)

You can see in this photo the fibrous roots above my thumb..

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Interesting theory and I'm not here to say you're wrong, I'm just trying to get a handle on the concept.

I watered my plants in 5 gallon buckets of Tupur with 6 liters of nutrient solution every day near the beginning of the day cycle. Some of this ran through and accumulated in the tray, where it would sit until the plant drew it back up. They were dry by the next day cycle. When I cropped out I had a 5 gallon bucket crammed so full of those same fibrous roots I had to stomp the shit out of the rootball to break it up.
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greengrassgrower1

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ttystikk said:
Interesting theory and I'm not here to say you're wrong, I'm just trying to get a handle on the concept.

I watered my plants in 5 gallon buckets of Tupur with 6 liters of nutrient solution every day near the beginning of the day cycle. Some of this ran through and accumulated in the tray, where it would sit until the plant drew it back up. They were dry by the next day cycle. When I cropped out I had a 5 gallon bucket crammed so full of those same fibrous roots I had to stomp the shit out of the rootball to break it up.
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I would first off say keep doing what your doing if its working for you..

If your trying to understand my method. i would say using your watering of 6 liters per 24hrs as an example and how i see it..

The first 4 or so hrs after the watering the plant is wet.. IMO= slower growth.. wet = tap roots
As it slowly dries it become moist.. Say 10 to 14hr after watering IMO= faster growth.. Moist = fibrous roots
The last 4 hrs. the plant becomes dry = slower growth.. dry = tap roots

So lots of little watering will keep the medium moist, never wet or dry..

Hope this help..
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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ttystikk said:
I watered my plants in 5 gallon buckets of Tupur with 6 liters of nutrient solution every day near the beginning of the day cycle. Some of this ran through and accumulated in the tray, where it would sit until the plant drew it back up. They were dry by the next day cycle. When I cropped out I had a 5 gallon bucket crammed so full of those same fibrous roots I had to stomp the shit out of the rootball to break it up.
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Do you ever let solution just leach out of the pots or keep them in saucers till harvest? You medium EC must be off the charts and there's no way your getting a proper "Flush"

greengrassgrower1 said:
Time to enjoy the fruits of thy labor!

And a random hair.. Sweet..bongsmilie
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What nutrients are you running Brother @greengrassgrower1 ?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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OneHitDone said:
Do you ever let solution just leach out of the pots or keep them in saucers till harvest? You medium EC must be off the charts and there's no way your getting a proper "Flush"


What nutrients are you running Brother @greengrassgrower1 ?
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Flushing is for toilets. I might give them straight water for a couple of days before harvest. Yes they stay in the trays until harvest. Flavor is affected by cure, not whether the plants were starved before harvest.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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ttystikk said:
Flushing is for toilets. I might give them straight water for a couple of days before harvest. Yes they stay in the trays until harvest. Flavor is affected by cure, not whether the plants were starved before harvest.
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Another topic of great debate and something that set's "Quality Medical Grade Cannabis" apart from "Weed" :hump:
 
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