Fox Farm Ocean Forest

blunters

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Using FFOF but didnt add any extra Peralite to the soil. My moisture Meter will say that the bottom 1/2 of the soil is "wet" even 7 - 10 days after the last watering... should I wait this long? The foliage on top starts to Taco Fold - which from what I understand means the plant wants more water?

Should I wait until the bottom 1/2 of the soil dries out well? or water ever 5 days?
 

greasemonkeymann

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no the soil will be fine.
i'm not familiar with the term "taco fold"
if the bottom is still wet and the plant is sagging from lack of water you may have some other issue, maybe you transplanted into too much soil.
fox farm is a good soil and my guess is that the plant's root system is too small to help with moisture transpiration, it's possible that you didn't flush the soil enough before transplanting, and the fine particulates are clogging the drainage holes.
I always transplant into the next biggest size available.
I have good luck with transplanting into a container that is only 20-35% larger than the current container.
horticultural sand works good, and if you are outside it'll help with blowover's, kite syndrome.
Another technique to use is buy a turkey baster and water with that, that way you can get the root ball with out soaking the soil that isn't rooted.
hope that helps
 

Danthebull

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can I use the same soil that i am using right now? or will I have to use brand new soil?
Yes You can. Best thing to do is to do your first pot and see how far the roots are down. If they have not reached the bottom of the pot or are badly rotted at the bottom due to being constantly soked then disriguard them ( yes this will stress the plant ) but it will recover quickly if you have good drainage in your new pot's. Then do the rest.

Go to a grow shop and buy some clay pellets and some perlight. Mix your perlight with your new soil. Say like 60% soil 40% perlight or 70-30 its up to you. And use the clay pellets at the bottom of the pot. Put like 1 to 1.5 inch in the bottom.

Your plants will love this... and the root's will explode in growth due to good drainage and airation...

This will help.

Dan
 

greasemonkeymann

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i happily disagree, if you have a healthy plant with a good root system, you shouldn't need to add perlite, i haven't had any issues.
But just because it works for me doesn't mean it'll work for everyone.
Sand is all i add to it, and don't transplant into too big of a container.
also depends on your weather, ventilation, lights, etc.
But i don't add perlite to anything.
 

rd116

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i happily disagree, if you have a healthy plant with a good root system, you shouldn't need to add perlite, i haven't had any issues.
But just because it works for me doesn't mean it'll work for everyone.
Sand is all i add to it, and don't transplant into too big of a container.
also depends on your weather, ventilation, lights, etc.
But i don't add perlite to anything.
you're still adding something to help, you are just using sand instead of peralite
 

Danthebull

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i happily disagree, if you have a healthy plant with a good root system, you shouldn't need to add perlite, i haven't had any issues.
But just because it works for me doesn't mean it'll work for everyone.
Sand is all i add to it, and don't transplant into too big of a container.
also depends on your weather, ventilation, lights, etc.
But i don't add perlite to anything.
Then we agree to disagree, You may be more than happy not to put in perlight and you may add just sand. But ask your self this. Does sand absorb any water or nutrients and hold this for the root system to uptake when it need it? And does sand hold air for the root system? No...... All sand will do is sit in the medium not doing anything much. It may well help a little with the drainage. But its definatly not going to solve the problem of drainage Unless he repot's and adds like 60% sand. Now correct me if you think im wrong, but sand does not hold moisture and will therefor not hold any nutrients nor does it hold any air... ( at all ). Yes these plants are vigilant and will grow in just about any shit. But for the most time If your a keen grower and you want the ( best ) enviroment for them to sit in and grow then you need to create this.

OK so a little about transplanting in to a larger pot. Firstly if your plants are in a vegative cycle then you will create more space for root formation. Larger root formation means a larger plant. a larger plant means More flower production.

So i repeat what i said before. You need to repot, And add perlight to your medium. And add clay pellets to the bottom of these pot's. This Is the best solution and don't listen to greenmonkemann...

Happy growing blunters mate....

Dan
 

Hotwired

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WTF?

No need to add anything to FFOC

When I harvest and clean out my pots the roots look great. Plenty of aeration in the soil. Everything is nice and lose and the roots have plenty of room to breath. My buds are rock solid and frosty as hell. My leaves stay green until the last week of flower and only start to yellow when I stop feeding them nitro the last 2 weeks.

I water them and feed them correctly. I don't do anything else. They come out fine. But maybe it's cause I use voodoo or some shit 8)
 

greasemonkeymann

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Then we agree to disagree, You may be more than happy not to put in perlight and you may add just sand. But ask your self this. Does sand absorb any water or nutrients and hold this for the root system to uptake when it need it? And does sand hold air for the root system? No...... All sand will do is sit in the medium not doing anything much. It may well help a little with the drainage. But its definatly not going to solve the problem of drainage Unless he repot's and adds like 60% sand. Now correct me if you think im wrong, but sand does not hold moisture and will therefor not hold any nutrients nor does it hold any air... ( at all ). Yes these plants are vigilant and will grow in just about any shit. But for the most time If your a keen grower and you want the ( best ) enviroment for them to sit in and grow then you need to create this.

OK so a little about transplanting in to a larger pot. Firstly if your plants are in a vegative cycle then you will create more space for root formation. Larger root formation means a larger plant. a larger plant means More flower production.

So i repeat what i said before. You need to repot, And add perlight to your medium. And add clay pellets to the bottom of these pot's. This Is the best solution and don't listen to greenmonkemann...

Happy growing blunters mate....

Dan
perlite doesn't really absorb much water, and the nutrient uptake is minimal, if that's your thing than vermiculite would work much better, perlite also doesn't really hold air, as much as it displaces it,(that's why it always floats to the top when you water).
I'm not knocking perlite or saying your method doesn't work, i was just saying that fox farm will do fine out of the bag mixed with a 5lb bag of horticultural sand, or perlite, or coco fiber, or vermiculite, or crushed volcanic rock, you hit it on the nose when you said these plants will grow in most anything.
transplanting progressively to larger pots a little at a time will increase the root ball mass and as you said, increase flower production.
Almost every book, i've ever seen or read has stated the same thing.
you seem to be annoyed by my post so for that i guess i apologize...
and thanks for telling him not to listen to me, i could care less, i'm not posting for any gain.
I haven't learned anything on this site, it's standard, basic horticultural knowledge that you can get from any number of books,
yeah call me arrogant too, all i was doing was trying to help and share my trials and errors, i've had over 35 harvests in my life and over the time you pick things up....
like sand displaces less space(more root area), does better at drainage, doesn't retain high salt amounts, and helps with stability at heavy flower top-time.
So please, dan, as you said, agree to disagree but to attempt to dis-credit me would be foolish.
 
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