Hollatchaboy
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So you're saying curing takes longer as a result of using synthetic nutrients?
FlushingVsNotFlushing & Chlorophyll Breakdown (Help a fellow Newbie/wanabie Gromie)
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Dank Bongula
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I remove as much as I can when I trim, yes....and after curing, when I break it up, I pull the tiny leaf bits out when I see them between the buds, I also dispose of the little stems the bud grows on...I don't smoke seeds, leaves, stems or sticks.
How does the plant know the difference between synthetic nutes and organic ones to the point that flushing synthetics makes a difference whereas in organics it does not? Help me understand this.
Sparky413
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No, basically what i'm saying is if your growing with synthetics and your plant is not properly faded. She is going to take a lot longer to cure. The subpar growers are the ones who need to flush. If you're in synthetics and using your line properly, and getting a good fade, the curing process would take the same amount of time.
Science disagrees with you.
"On pages 58, 59 and 60 you will find graphs showing that no matter how they tried to “flush” the plants out, the tissues still contained statistically identical amounts of the various major plant nutritional elements N-P-K-Ca-Mg-S etc…"
Where you will find the actual study and pages 58-60
https://atrium.lib.uoguelph.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10214/12125/Stemeroff_Jonathan_201712_Msc_with_erratum.pdf
xtsho
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Then don't wait 4 months to cure. Dry it and smoke it like has been done for decades.
I don't cure my weed. I don't care for old weed. I like the flavor of fresh dried weed. After 4 months in a jar it's only going to be used for dry ice hash or given away to someone.
I really don't get this fascination with curing and all the gadgets and rituals surrounding it. I'm not burping a dozen jars for weeks. I slow dry it and jar it after there is no chance of it molding. When I open a jar it's like a punch in the face it smells so strong and it tastes just as good. After a couple months whatever hasn't been smoked goes into the dry ice bin and replaced with the newest crop.
Sparky413
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lol what? just a bunch of charts on those pages with no mention of chlorophyll. Def. not going to read that
xtsho
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The fade is broscience and a plant starved of the nutrients it needs to finish at it's maximum potential.
xtsho
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You're not going to bother reading something science based but you'll follow the advice of someone without any background in science with a youtube channel talking about the fade?
Come on man. Open your eyes.
Sparky413
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I don't. I smoke her right through the harvest and curing process depending on strain now. I just like to taste her develop, not smoke her too heavily. When I grew in coco, I would have to wait have to wait months before I could even take a hit. My coco girls were feed heavy with no flush and no fade lol
Alter Jean
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I do like my plants faded. But the thread lost me 
Sparky413
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I'm not going to bother reading it, because I don't flush. That's a research paper that I'm not interested in. I'm sure it has the same nutrients or whatever the paper is trying to prove. It's the chlorophyll that's harsh, you can actually see with your eyes, as it breaks down it changes color. You can smoke it, and see for yourself that a similar less green piece of the same plant would be less harsh. You can see this chlorophyll disappear as you starve the plant. It's common sense to me that the chlorophyll will break down faster if there is less of it. Did you read the research paper?
xtsho
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I didn't read the entire study but I'm a speed reader and skimmed it quickly to understand the methodology used for the study. It was sound. I also examined the pages with the charts referenced by @curious2garden to see the actual results of the study.
I also read the conclusion on page 80:
"the general principles demonstrated here indicated that reduced water use, consistent irrigation frequency measured through 68 cVPD and no flushing of the root zone are elements of a desirable irrigation management strategy for cannabis."
Now this was not a peer reviewed scientific study but a thesis. The author did obtain their Masters in Environmental Science and has an impressive resume so I'm going to go with the data provided in that paper over the cannabis science from people that are not scientists.
Dank Bongula
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But the YouTube guy has 100000 followers and has been growing for THREE WHOLE YEARS, BRO! lol
I wish they would simply de-schedule cannabis. I'd like to still be living when the big Universities with large plant science programs can finally turn their eye to this with proper funding.
Sadly, I doubt it will make any difference in an anti-expertise world.
Hollatchaboy
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"I'm sure it has the same nutrients or whatever" - Those "same nutrients", are the same ones that are used for production.
I wish I could speed read. Lol
xtsho
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And that's what so many new growers get caught up in. Social media cannot change scientific facts.
xtsho
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I learned to speed read decades ago. Came in really handy when I was studying for my MCSE and CCNA back in the day when having those meant a very good paying job. Now it comes in handy reading all the stuff I do these days.
twentyeight.threefive
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I can't even imagine trying to speed read CCNA material. Lol.
Hollatchaboy
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Skills!
